List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

Andre the Giant · Oct 9, 2021

Great8 said:
What is Hill worth out of interest?

For me it would be swap our pick 13 for your 11 and a future 2nd. He was best 22 before leaving the hub and we have put a lot of work and development into him. He is the logical replacement for Tippa.

Orange crush · Oct 9, 2021

That’s why

Teeso · Oct 9, 2021

With hawks: 13 + hill for pick 5
Values hill at a late 20s pick

Hawks get hill and still retain a 1st rd pick
We get callaghan and mac andrews - though means we will be down a pressure forward with no like for like replacement. Ronke a cheap unsigned player who could fill that hole without having to make a big move to another state?

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

JoinDate said:
Was about to ask what your biggest list needs are and where do you think your club would value Hill.

Guess I'll see myself out.

Ha ha, he probably would be a good pickup for the Pies, but still, you've got a few small forwards (Elliott, Brown) plus Daicos coming in who may well start forward ... and pushing JT out, so figured a small forward would be down the list of priorities.

From the GWs perspective, Pies have little to trade, so would depend on if they were open to a future pick - 2R would have to be it, and we hope Pies do poorly next year. We might have to split pick #2 or #13 to now replace a guy we didn't expect to have to.

Pure_Ownage · Oct 9, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Is he a similar case to Jordan Clark, young player shows some exciting flashes but hasn't been able to secure a spot in a good team. Going rate for Clark seems to be a pick in the 20s is Bobby worth the same?

Fwiw id happily trade pick 22 for hill (should we get it for clark) kid will be a gun. Hope you can hang onto him.

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Teeso said:
With hawks: 13 + hill for pick 5
Values hill at a late 20s pick

Hawks get hill and still retain a 1st rd pick
We get callaghan and mac andrews - though means we will be down a pressure forward with no like for like replacement. Ronke a cheap unsigned player who could fill that hole without having to make a big move to another state?

Just can't see Hawks moving back from #5 for Bobby, unfortunately. I support the idea though!

Great8 · Oct 9, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
For me it would be swap our pick 13 for your 11 and a future 2nd. He was best 22 before leaving the hub and we have put a lot of work and development into him. He is the logical replacement for Tippa.

I’d do that deal without blinking, doubt McCartney will though. Too much bad blood there

Hendo_21 · Oct 9, 2021

Is there any concern over aboriginal players leaving the club. We've had Williams, Finlayson and now Bobby all at least attempt to move from the club within the last 12 months is there something we're not doing correctly, are we not offering enough support or is it fair to assume that it's a coincidence and they're all leaving for seperate reasons. I've always thought of GWS as very supportive and progressive when it come's to celebrating different cultures so just thought it was curious.

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Twomey reporting Essendon is among the clubs set to chase Bobby. IIRC Cal's a Bombers' man, so probably has the links for this to be good gen.

In that case, the #13 & Bobby for #11 & F2R might be the best outcome we can get. #11 might keep us in options for players we want/need better than #13 does, but only to a small extent. F2R from Essendon could be in the 30s in 2022, so definitely unders for Bobby and I'd want more.

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Is there any concern over aboriginal players leaving the club. We've had Williams, Finlayson and now Bobby all at least attempt to move from the club within the last 12 months is there something we're not doing correctly, are we not offering enough support or is it fair to assume that it's a coincidence and they're all leaving for seperate reasons. I've always thought of GWS as very supportive and progressive when it come's to celebrating different cultures so just thought it was curious.

I'd be of the view it's just coincidence - 2 of those (ToJ & Bobby) are driven by GF/baby wanting family support which might not have been such a factor until these last 2 years of COVID-driven state border closures. The other was Zaccy getting an absolutely motsa payday - that could have been anyone.

PMBangers · Oct 9, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Is there any concern over aboriginal players leaving the club. We've had Williams, Finlayson and now Bobby all at least attempt to move from the club within the last 12 months is there something we're not doing correctly, are we not offering enough support or is it fair to assume that it's a coincidence and they're all leaving for seperate reasons. I've always thought of GWS as very supportive and progressive when it come's to celebrating different cultures so just thought it was curious.

I did have this thought when I saw the Bobby trade request news, it's not one you like o have about your club but always worth considering. I give benefit of the doubt to us though given Williams left for an extra 300k a year, and both Dorsal and Bobby are quoting as wanting family close by for their new children

JC100 · Oct 9, 2021

Geelong with Eddie will be the club.

Geelong:Clark out for hill
Giants: hill out for lobb
Freo: Lobb out for Clark.

that slimey manager at work.

hill for Lobb is not a good trade for the giants but that’s what it will effectively be if hill leaves

Hendo_21 · Oct 9, 2021

Giant Strides said:
I'd be of the view it's just coincidence - 2 of those (ToJ & Bobby) are driven by GF/baby wanting family support which might not have been such a factor until these last 2 years of COVID-driven state border closures. The other was Zaccy getting an absolutely motsa payday - that could have been anyone.

Very fair

Danny88 · Oct 9, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Is there any concern over aboriginal players leaving the club. We've had Williams, Finlayson and now Bobby all at least attempt to move from the club within the last 12 months is there something we're not doing correctly, are we not offering enough support or is it fair to assume that it's a coincidence and they're all leaving for seperate reasons. I've always thought of GWS as very supportive and progressive when it come's to celebrating different cultures so just thought it was curious.

I don’t think it’s a concern

Looks to be a coincidence to me

Hendo_21 · Oct 9, 2021

PMBangers said:
I did have this thought when I saw the Bobby trade request news, it's not one you like o have about your club but always worth considering. I give benefit of the doubt to us though given Williams left for an extra 300k a year, and both Dorsal and Bobby are quoting as wanting family close by for their new children

No it isn't a thought I'd want to have but I think it's important we're self aware enough to see if there are problems that we address them as a club and recognise them as fans. I think if it happens again I'd consider it a bit stronger but I think it's something worth monitoring for now.

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Reporting is Geelong and Norths the other clubs chasing. Geelong is very odd to me - they've got Stengle on the hook with his former mentor Eddie Betts becoming a coach, so TBH I put little credibility in that. Norths I'm surprised at, reckon they've got enough small forward talent too. Anyway, the Jordan Clark pick (#19 or #22) we'd have to accept (and if Cats were simply passing it on, they'd probably just take the #22 and run now. From Norths, we'd want #20 - I wouldn't want a F2R as they'll most likely rise up the board.

Still

at this arising.

Danny88 · Oct 9, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Reporting is Geelong and Norths the other clubs chasing. Geelong is very odd to me - they've got Stengle on the hook with his former mentor Eddie Betts becoming a coach, so TBH I put little credibility in that. Norths I'm surprised at, reckon they've got enough small forward talent too. Anyway, the Jordan Clark pick (#19 or #22) we'd have to accept (and if Cats were simply passing it on, they'd probably just take the #22 and run now. From Norths, we'd want #20 - I wouldn't want a F2R as they'll most likely rise up the board.

Still at this arising.

Good smalls are a commodity atm and there aren’t any on the market

As much as I’d like a player I don’t see it happening

Rachele in this draft?

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Danny88 said:
Good smalls are a commodity atm and there aren’t any on the market

As much as I’d like a player I don’t see it happening

Rachele in this draft?

Rachele is in this draft; we're unlikely to see him get through to #13 though. Even if we did the Essendon swap proposed, I wouldn't hold out high hopes that he'd make it to #11 either.

We'd have to look later in the draft at someone like Judson Clarke, or Jesse Motlop (whom PMBangers likes) ... maybe an Arthur Jones could be an option if we are suddenly in the market.

PMBangers · Oct 9, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Rachele is in this draft; we're unlikely to see him get through to #13 though. Even if we did the Essendon swap proposed, I wouldn't hold out high hopes that he'd make it to #11 either.

We'd have to look later in the draft at someone like Judson Clarke, or Jesse Motlop (whom PMBangers likes) ... maybe an Arthur Jones could be an option if we are suddenly in the market.

Yeah we'd probably need Richmond's 7 for Rachele, and even that might not be enough, if we really wanted him. I think Hill nets us a pick around 20 unless we move whatever we get for him on for Lobb, so Clarke or Motlop would be the ones around there that'd be best imo, I'd probably lean towards Clarke given his athleticism pips Motlops

PaythePerryman · Oct 9, 2021

Fun one for you guys, but with a lot of list spots opening up at the Giants I think it's worth looking at this guy to draft.

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I think if we get some picks back for Bobby we should consider this guy. A year or so getting mentored by Phil Davis and I think we might have another seriously good tall defender.

He's a good compliment to our top 20 draft hand.

Andre the Giant · Oct 9, 2021

Our record retaining indigenous players is not great but I don’t think it’s because our club is doing the wrong thing but we certainly don’t have the wider resources and historical connections that others have. We need to keep developing this and perhaps bring in an indigenous rep at some point.

I wonder if we could get him to St Kilda? Perhaps not so much a need for them unfortunately but a pick swap for us to 9 would be valuable and he has huge connection with Bradley Hill.

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Bombers, Norths, Hawks according to Tom Browne.

Hendo_21 · Oct 9, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
Our record retaining indigenous players is not great but I don’t think it’s because our club is doing the wrong thing but we certainly don’t have the wider resources and historical connections that others have. We need to keep developing this and perhaps bring in an indigenous rep at some point.

I wonder if we could get him to St Kilda? Perhaps not so much a need for them unfortunately but a pick swap for us to 9 would be valuable and he has huge connection with Bradley Hill.

That's the trade I'm hoping for

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
Our record retaining indigenous players is not great but I don’t think it’s because our club is doing the wrong thing but we certainly don’t have the wider resources and historical connections that others have. We need to keep developing this and perhaps bring in an indigenous rep at some point.

I wonder if we could get him to St Kilda? Perhaps not so much a need for them unfortunately but a pick swap for us to 9 would be valuable and he has huge connection with Bradley Hill.

The Brad Hill connection has been brought up ... so possible, but Saints are a team that don't really need him, thus unwilling you'd think to give up anything decent.

Similar to the Bombers' hypothetical trade, #13 for #9 would open up a few more options for GWS, but I doubt that Saints want to do that. Mind you, with how even the draft is, they could take it and run as they might get the same player as they wanted anyway so Bobby would essentially be free. #9 might just get Rachele, if we were looking at him as a replacement option.

I liked it better when we were having a quiet trade period.

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

PaythePerryman said:
Fun one for you guys, but with a lot of list spots opening up at the Giants I think it's worth looking at this guy to draft.

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I think if we get some picks back for Bobby we should consider this guy. A year or so getting mentored by Phil Davis and I think we might have another seriously good tall defender.

He's a good compliment to our top 20 draft hand.

He's been discussed on here, certainly an option. Good interceptor, disposal leaves something to be desired. I wouldn't mind him - I guess from the club's perspective, it depends on what position they see Mac Andrew taking (if indeed we're into him), whether we lose Bobby, whether we gain Lobb and what we pay for him.

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