List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

Danny88 · Oct 12, 2021

Taylor Moss said:
Why? He actively approached another club after being quoted in the press around the same time that he loves this club and wants to stay.

And we reward that duplicitous behaviour?

He is an employee... we don't own him

It doesnt and shouldnt ever work like that. Everyone loses

Colonial · Oct 12, 2021

Danny88 · Oct 12, 2021

Think... we are widely tipped to be in the top 8 again.... the talent on the list will get better with another year's development... and LC has a year left on the contract so he will be looking to make an impact. Everything was starting to point to GWS throwing their chips in and having another crack over the next two years with the interest of Lobb and Wingard.

Now thats cooled im not really happy personally to sit back and go softly softly into the draft. IMO we need to draw a line in the sand (be it this year or next) and name we are going to contend by aggressively attacking the trade period. Look at how Melb did it.. it was almost the perfect list build.

We seemed so close! If we don't sort this out in the next 48 hours we simply MUST go hard next year.

Taylor Moss · Oct 12, 2021

Danny88 said:
He is an employee... we don't own him

It doesnt and shouldnt ever work like that. Everyone loses

How do we lose? He’s not going to be a part of the club in 2022, so if anything we gain by playing someone else in his spot and getting games in to them.

Taylor Moss · Oct 12, 2021

General Giant said:
It’s not rewarding, if we were rewarding we would be letting him go for a bag of chips, we aren’t.
But if he is a happy to return and is performing then he plays.
Happens to every club.

Happens to every club?

That a player actively approaches one club about playing for them, they offer him a 4 year deal and with 3 days left in the trade period he requests a trade to that team?

That’s a common occurrence?

captainMyCaptain · Oct 12, 2021

Giant Strides · Oct 12, 2021

Good. Hope it's not just bluster.

Maximus 2011 · Oct 12, 2021

Land of the Giants said:
It's an awkward situation because we've found out Hill would be rather be somewhere else.

If we can get the right price for him, he should go, but if stays there'll always be doubt over how motivated he is until he finally does go.

The sort of distraction we don't need.

In part I agree. If he stays it is also in his best interest to play well. Just think if he stinks it up for the year it is going to cost him dearly contract wise and the Bombers may even cool their jets on wanting him for the 2023 year.
I think it is both our clubs and Bobby's interest playing well in 2022 if he stays at the Giants. If he doesn't turn up fit or seems disinterested then he simply plays in the reserves and diminishes his value.

In the end I think the deal gets done as the Bombers seem desperate for him and they simply 'over pay'. Future second and their pick 11 for Bobby and 13 is what is fair. I don't think the Bombers will perform as well next year. They have a very average forward line and their backline looks fragile. I would be backing their future second will be a pick somewhere 24-28.

Colonial · Oct 12, 2021

Taylor Moss said:
Happens to every club?

That a player actively approaches one club about playing for them, they offer him a 4 year deal and with 3 days left in the trade period he requests a trade to that team?

That’s a common occurrence?

I wouldn’t say common but it has happened and players have ended up staying at clubs and playing.

Orange crush · Oct 12, 2021

General Giant said:
I wouldn’t say common but it has happened and players have ended up staying at clubs and playing.

Dunkley just last year .... Papley as well

Colonial · Oct 12, 2021

Dodgy

Giant Strides · Oct 12, 2021

General Giant said:
Dodgy

Yep, so like Essendon, and Fremantle and Geelong before that - working to undermine our players. And all protected by VFL House.

Pres · Oct 12, 2021

Land of the Giants said:
if stays there'll always be doubt over how motivated he is until he finally does go.

As others have said it won't be in his interest to stink it up next year given he won't have a contract anywhere for 2023.

Danny88 · Oct 12, 2021

Taylor Moss said:
How do we lose? He’s not going to be a part of the club in 2022, so if anything we gain by playing someone else in his spot and getting games in to them.

Him not playing dramatically reduces his trade price. When this happened for McCarthy we lost massively

gee whiz giant · Oct 12, 2021

Danny88 said:
If we don't sort this out in the next 48 hours we simply MUST go hard next year.

Like your thinking. The interest in Lobb and Wingard does signal the club thinks the forward stocks are thin.
Cameron out > Hogan in is a 10 games a year difference.
Finlayson out > Riccardi/ Sproule in is maybe 10 goals a year difference.
Greene out for 5 > Bruhn/ Stone is also a loss.
Maybe another forward is needed from trade.

Danny88 · Oct 12, 2021

gee whiz giant said:
Like your thinking. The interest in Lobb and Wingard does signal the club thinks the forward stocks are thin.
Cameron out > Hogan in is a 10 games a year difference.
Finlayson out > Riccardi/ Sproule in is maybe 10 goals a year difference.
Greene out for 5 > Bruhn/ Stone is also a loss.
Maybe another forward is needed from trade.

Yeah I’ve been saying this all along. If we look at 2016… we have grown the list internally really well but it was the acquisition of Stevie J and Ryan Griffen which really signaled “this is our time”

Taylor Moss · Oct 12, 2021

Danny88 said:
Him not playing dramatically reduces his trade price. When this happened for McCarthy we lost massively

We lost massively on that when we knocked back what ended up being #2.

Giant Strides · Oct 12, 2021

Which is not the case for Bobby - 2 x third round picks is SFA, and unless he actually sits out next year would be unlikely to be materially less in 12 months time.

GWS Goose · Oct 12, 2021

Taylor Moss said:
We lost massively on that when we knocked back what ended up being #2.

That was also our line in the sand moment where we made it clear that we weren't just going to let players go. I think it was an investment in future trades.

Danny88 · Oct 12, 2021

Taylor Moss said:
We lost massively on that when we knocked back what ended up being #2.

Well thats the point isnt it. Bobby sitting out 2022 hurts him.. he doesn't develop... hurts them.... they have to wait for a player... and hurts us... we pay a player to not play knowing they will be traded for nothing in 2022. The party that actually is the LEAST hurt in that scenario is the bombers tbh.

Its not something that should be considered

OrangeDuck · Oct 12, 2021

Was the report he wanted to go to Victoria for family reasons or he wanted to go to Essendon for family reasons?

Taylor Moss · Oct 12, 2021

Danny88 said:
Well thats the point isnt it. Bobby sitting out 2022 hurts him.. he doesn't develop... hurts them.... they have to wait for a player... and hurts us... we pay a player to not play knowing they will be traded for nothing in 2022. The party that actually is the LEAST hurt in that scenario is the bombers tbh.

Its not something that should be considered

Good. I hope he never laces on a boot ever again.

Colonial · Oct 12, 2021

Danny88 · Oct 12, 2021

Taylor Moss said:
Good. I hope he never laces on a boot ever again.

So bitter...

He just wants to change jobs. Our job is to either convince him to stay or get fair value at the trade table. No need for that rubbish

Orange crush · Oct 12, 2021

Taylor Moss said:
Good. I hope he never laces on a boot ever again.

Think this is harsh on Bobby in the extreme ... I think he’s been a little s**t but also recognize he’s been manipulated by his manager

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