List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

gee whiz giant · Aug 12, 2021

While weighing up a move, Riccardi might be comparing his prospects to Zach Sproule's.
I thought Sproule played his best game last week.
His goal was the clutch moment, a difficult chance on an angle that HH would have circled into, he kicked it beautifully, and for the first time in the game , there was proper daylight between the scores.
Also bustled away as back-up ruckman.
Both Riccardi and Finlayson might have to jump over Sproule to get first team cracks in future.

PMBangers · Aug 12, 2021

Danny88 said:
Well then you are effectively saying you want to bring in an upgrade on hill. Cos that would be his role when fit.

Would you draft this or would you look to the league?

I reckon Hill could be used on a wing as well, but yeah he's probably the most expendable of the shorter guys, we could also look at going with less talls? idk Leon's problem. Probably trade, I don't think there's many genuine pressure smalls in this years draft unfortunately, dthe two main ones would be Jake Soligo and Isaiah Dudley, Dudley is crows NGA and sub 170 cm which makes me uneasy, Soligo is an option but I don't think we'll have a pick in his range with the Fahey bid probably coming around 25-30

Danny88 · Aug 12, 2021

gee whiz giant said:
While weighing up a move, Riccardi might be comparing his prospects to Zach Sproule's.
I thought Sproule played his best game last week.
His goal was the clutch moment, a difficult chance on an angle that HH would have circled into, he kicked it beautifully, and for the first time in the game , there was proper daylight between the scores.
Also bustled away as back-up ruckman.
Both Riccardi and Finlayson might have to jump over Sproule to get first team cracks in future.

I wish sproule looked like a scary forward... I reckon some sleeves of tats or some half decent shoulders... maybe a big Mo.... I dunno... but right now he just doesn't look scary to play on.

(I realise the ridiculous nature of this comment)

Danny88 · Aug 12, 2021

PMBangers said:
I reckon Hill could be used on a wing as well, but yeah he's probably the most expendable of the shorter guys, we could also look at going with less talls? idk Leon's problem. Probably trade, I don't think there's many genuine pressure smalls in this years draft unfortunately, dthe two main ones would be Jake Soligo and Isaiah Dudley, Dudley is crows NGA and sub 170 cm which makes me uneasy, Soligo is an option but I don't think we'll have a pick in his range with the Fahey bid probably coming around 25-30

If we play HH, he is super mobile for a tall and defends well... I don't have a problem with the three talls. I don't think there are many pressure smalls in the league either TBH... its not something thats widely available.

I actually think the idea of pressure small is more a form related thing... The player might have the speed and hardness.. but they need to predict the fall of the ball... the reaction and set up of def... things that come with form more than physical attributes. Many of the leagues pressure forward fall away (tippa from the bombers) in this regard when their form does

Orange crush · Aug 12, 2021

I’ve said before we need that pressure forward, but bobby could become that as his body matured and he gets a bit harder at it ... like his skills but he needs a harder body

Orange crush · Aug 12, 2021

Danny88 said:
I wish sproule looked like a scary forward... I reckon some sleeves of tats or some half decent shoulders... maybe a big Mo.... I dunno... but right now he just doesn't look scary to play on.

(I realise the ridiculous nature of this comment)

His less than fearsome appearance can work for him .... take him lightly and get burnt

GWS Goose · Aug 12, 2021

That role falls to the mid running through there.
Taranto, Cogs, Bruhn etc. they obviously offer more than just pressure

captainMyCaptain · Aug 12, 2021

Well this could certainly be one way to address our key defender issues for the short term

Colonial · Aug 12, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:
Well this could certainly be one way to address our key defender issues for the short term

[emoji848] think he would be good short term.

Danny88 · Aug 12, 2021

We would probably have to offer a two year contract for him to uproot his life to come to sydney.

He just spent 12 months on the sidelines... Im skeptical

Orange crush · Aug 12, 2021

Danny88 said:
We would probably have to offer a two year contract for him to uproot his life to come to sydney.

He just spent 12 months on the sidelines... Im skeptical

Definitely 2 years required ... if fit almost a no-brainer

Maximus 2011 · Aug 12, 2021

General Giant said:
[emoji848] think he would be good short term.

I was about to post about Talia as well! Great minds. He would definitely be an asset especially if Phil continues to run around like an extinct dinosaur

captainMyCaptain · Aug 12, 2021

Rookies win from rule change, how Giants make Kelly mega-bucks fit

Callum Twomey, Mitch Cleary and Riley Beveridge bring you all the latest trade news

www.afl.com.au

Ash Johnson, Aiden Begg (Collingwood), Ned Moyle (Gold Coast), Alex Mirkov (Carlton), Max Heath (St Kilda), James Peatling (GWS), Sam Durham (Essendon) and Lachie McAndrew (Sydney) all committed for 18 months.

Colonial · Aug 12, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:
Rookies win from rule change, how Giants make Kelly mega-bucks fit

Callum Twomey, Mitch Cleary and Riley Beveridge bring you all the latest trade news

www.afl.com.au

Glad to hear it.

GWS Goose · Aug 12, 2021

General Giant said:
[emoji848] think he would be good short term.

Perfect 1 year deal if he is prepared to relocate. Short term solution for a short term problem.

PMBangers · Aug 12, 2021

1 year with games played trigger for a second

Ichabod Noodle · Aug 12, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:
Rookies win from rule change, how Giants make Kelly mega-bucks fit

Callum Twomey, Mitch Cleary and Riley Beveridge bring you all the latest trade news

www.afl.com.au

also of interest in that story is the change to the rookie rules giving players an extra year without having to delist & re-draft, they mentioned Callum Brown as an example of who might benefit from that.

and some interesting stuff about the Kelly deal in that payments can be varied year to year to fit into the cap. so some years he’ll receive more, some less, depending on discussions & overall list management.

Orange Agent · Aug 12, 2021

gee whiz giant said:
While weighing up a move, Riccardi might be comparing his prospects to Zach Sproule's.
I thought Sproule played his best game last week.
His goal was the clutch moment, a difficult chance on an angle that HH would have circled into, he kicked it beautifully, and for the first time in the game , there was proper daylight between the scores.
Also bustled away as back-up ruckman.
Both Riccardi and Finlayson might have to jump over Sproule to get first team cracks in future.

He should look to him as inspiration. 5 years on the rookie list. 3 years till a debut and then didn't play another game for over 12 months. He's done it the hard way.

GWS Goose · Aug 12, 2021

Orange Agent said:
He should look to him as inspiration. 5 years on the rookie list. 3 years till a debut and then didn't play another game for over 12 months. He's done it the hard way.

And clearly gives 100% every week.

Chairman Zia · Aug 13, 2021

General Giant said:
[emoji848] think he would be good short term.

theres the little issue of injury history

Colonial · Aug 13, 2021

Chairman Zia said:
theres the little issue of injury history

Then that guarantees him being chased by us.

Chairman Zia · Aug 13, 2021

General Giant said:
Then that guarantees him being chased by us.

man, if you want tahlia, should have just kept corr, at least he wouldn't have done his toe....

GWS Goose · Aug 13, 2021

Chairman Zia said:
man, if you want tahlia, should have just kept corr, at least he wouldn't have done his toe....

Corr got a God Father offer we couldn't get near, good luck to him I say

Orange crush · Aug 13, 2021

So with the pies pick we take best available and gibcus with our first rounder ?

Chairman Zia · Aug 13, 2021

GWS Goose said:
Corr got a God Father offer we couldn't get near, good luck to him I say

oh well, too bad about the toe, chop chop i say and then crank up that 3d printer.

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