List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

Orange crush · Sep 7, 2021

Weiderman is trash .... better off playing TOJ

Giant Strides · Sep 7, 2021

Glek said:
Last year we had an option on MacDonald from Melbourne - could we consider a 20 pick downgrade to grab Weiderman this year? Plus we accumulate points for Fahey.

I've pondered similar myself. I'm just not certain that he's an improvement on either HH or Finlayson; he's certainly not better than Jesse Hogan except for the injury issue. The problem would be the cost - I wouldn't be happy to give away a first round pick to get him and Fahey, I think that would squander the value of the pick.

If Riccardi does leave, we would need to look at options to replace him - perhaps a look at other untried VFL options? A bit harder given the last 2 years of disrupted AFL!

Glek · Sep 7, 2021

Orange crush said:
Weiderman is trash .... better off playing TOJ

Ok so you are ruling out

13 for Weederman & 33. It values him at pick 30!!! I was not averse to 13 for Wiederman & 42.

Orange crush · Sep 7, 2021

Glek said:
Ok so you are ruling out

13 for Weederman & 33. It values him at pick 30!!! I was not averse to 13 for Wiederman & 42.

The guy averages a goal a game after 6 years on a list .... he’s worse than Riccardi and why bring in other people’s trash? At least Jesse showed something and offers real upside

Glek · Sep 7, 2021

Giant Strides said:
If Riccardi does leave, we would need to look at options to replace him - perhaps a look at other untried VFL options? A bit harder given the last 2 years of disrupted AFL!

Good point! But I'm not convinced yet. Weiderman surely is ready to go? Untried VFL option how long will he take to get up to speed and it is a massive risk. Weiderman looks like a proven VFL option.

Hendo_21 · Sep 7, 2021

Glek said:
Last year we had an option on MacDonald from Melbourne - could we consider a 20 pick downgrade to grab Weiderman this year? Plus we accumulate points for Fahey.

Weiderman has had 6 years in an AFL system and is yet to show he's a quality key forward option, I don't get the allure of him at all outside of trading a later pick as a flyer on him. Anyone with the expectations that he's going to be a good forward next year is likely going to be disapointed.

Orange crush · Sep 7, 2021

Glek said:
Good point! But I'm not convinced yet. Weiderman surely is ready to go? Untried VFL option how long will he take to get up to speed and it is a massive risk. Weiderman looks like a proven VFL option.

Is that you, Sam?

Glek · Sep 7, 2021

Orange crush said:
Is that you, Sam?

What if those pricks down the road bid on Fahey at 12 what do we do?

Orange crush · Sep 7, 2021

We will have a live trade worked out surely .... and tbh I’d rather pay 12 for Fahey than for you, Sam

PMBangers · Sep 7, 2021

Glek said:
What if those pricks down the road bid on Fahey at 12 what do we do?

Let him go

Hendo_21 · Sep 7, 2021

Glek said:
What if those pricks down the road bid on Fahey at 12 what do we do?

That seems like that would be very high for Fahey and unlikely, not really a position of need anyway but he would be a nice option to have

Glek · Sep 7, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
That seems like that would be very high for Fahey and unlikely, not really a position of need anyway but he would be a nice option to have

I like the idea of upgrading 13 but you always seem to pay overs to move up. But I also liked the idea of a KPF, Fahey with pick 33 and maybe Callahan or best available with Pies pick.

I think we would be mad not to try and get a proven VFL player over an unproven. Not sure Melbourne would do this but you always have to pay over to move up.

Us - 13 & 50
Melbourne - Weederman & 33 & 42 that values him at pick 35. Melbourne paying for Fahey.

Hendo_21 · Sep 7, 2021

Glek said:
I like the idea of upgrading 13 but you always seem to pay overs to move up. But I also liked the idea of a KPF, Fahey with pick 33 and maybe Callahan or best available with Pies pick.

I think best case scenario that's some what realistic imo is Callaghan, KPF with our pick at 13 hopefully Amiss is still there and then bid on Fahey after that which seems likely early to mid 20's. I'm not too bothered about the idea of trading up especially if it all it costs is a few mid round picks to make sure we get a player like Amiss, might have to move into the 8-10 range to land Amiss which I don't think would cost too much.

Orange crush · Sep 7, 2021

Glek said:
I like the idea of upgrading 13 but you always seem to pay overs to move up. But I also liked the idea of a KPF, Fahey with pick 33 and maybe Callahan or best available with Pies pick.

I think we would be mad not to try and get a proven VFL player over an unproven. Not sure Melbourne would do this but you always have to pay over to move up.

Us - 13 & 50
Melbourne - Weederman & 33 & 42 that values him at pick 35. Melbourne paying for Fahey.

come on, Sam, what exactly do you see in Weideman that isnt covered by Hogan, HH, Sproule, Flynn and TOJ and we aren’t even certain Riccardi leaves yet

Giant Pete · Sep 7, 2021

We need someone who can clunk as backup for Hogan. HH and TOJ are too similar.

Orange crush · Sep 7, 2021

Giant Pete said:
We need someone who can clunk as backup for Hogan. HH and TOJ are too similar.

Flynn forward/ruck with Briggs or Preuss Gives us that

Giant Strides · Sep 7, 2021

Giant Pete said:
We need someone who can clunk as backup for Hogan. HH and TOJ are too similar.

I 100% agree, and you could probably add Sproule to that list of ''sameness''; but as per Orange crush, I'd see Flynn & Briggs as the heavier ''clunkers''. I must admit, when Hogan went out of the SF team, I would have put Briggs in - not only to back up Mummy in ruck (who did a fantastic job as solo ruck though) but to act as that marking forward.

I don't see Sam Weideman as a bigger ''clunking'' forward, so hence I'm not motivated to pay heavily for him.

You could potentially go and get Mason Cox as a spare ruck and heavy marking forward, cheap if he's DFA by the Pies, and late (in the PSSS) if we don't want to waste a list spot during ND/RD. He's not much chop, but you don't get a star cheap/PSSS!!

I note that Hawks just released Michael Hartley - ex-Penrith lad, NSW-scholarship selection by Collingwood, ex-Bomber. He might be an option for a cheap PSSS pick up to cover for the Keeffe/Buckley LTIs. He's no star, but as a cheap backup for 1 year, he might be OK if that's the way we need to go.

Giant Pete · Sep 7, 2021

Early best 22:
Haynes Stein Idun
Cumming Taylor Ash
Kelly Ward Whitfield
Greene HH Lloyd
Daniels Hogan Hill
Preuss Hopper Taranto

Coniglio Briggs Green Perryman

Close: Bruhn, Peatling, XOH, DeBoer, Stone, Sproule, Keeffe, Angwin, Flynn.

We are building genuine depth that is more mature. Not just 18 year olds.

Hendo_21 · Sep 7, 2021

Orange crush said:
Flynn forward/ruck with Briggs or Preuss Gives us that

That's why Flynn is such an important signing he looked so comfortable as forward and can be the ideal third tall when Hogan is there and then when he isn't still offers a good marking target while all at the same time being a good ruck that give Briggs/Preuss a breather when needed.

Giant Strides · Sep 7, 2021

C'mon management, where are Hopper's & Flynn's signatures?

Orange crush · Sep 7, 2021

Giant Strides said:
I 100% agree, and you could probably add Sproule to that list of ''sameness''; but as per Orange crush, I'd see Flynn & Briggs as the heavier ''clunkers''. I must admit, when Hogan went out of the SF team, I would have put Briggs in - not only to back up Mummy in ruck (who did a fantastic job as solo ruck though) but to act as that marking forward.

I don't see Sam Weideman as a bigger ''clunking'' forward, so hence I'm not motivated to pay heavily for him.

You could potentially go and get Mason Cox as a spare ruck and heavy marking forward, cheap if he's DFA by the Pies, and late (in the PSSS) if we don't want to waste a list spot during ND/RD. He's not much chop, but you don't get a star cheap/PSSS!!

I note that Hawks just released Michael Hartley - ex-Penrith lad, NSW-scholarship selection by Collingwood, ex-Bomber. He might be an option for a cheap PSSS pick up to cover for the Keeffe/Buckley LTIs. He's no star, but as a cheap backup for 1 year, he might be OK if that's the way we need to go.

This is the type of money ball thinking I hope our team are looking at ... not sacrificing pick 12 for Sam bloody Weideman who offers absolutely nothing

captainMyCaptain · Sep 7, 2021

See Michael Hartley has been delisted, might be worth a look for some short term depth.

Hendo_21 · Sep 7, 2021

Giant Pete said:
Early best 22:
Haynes Stein Idun
Cumming Taylor Ash
Kelly Ward Whitfield
Greene HH Lloyd
Daniels Hogan Hill
Preuss Hopper Taranto

Coniglio Briggs OHalloran Perryman

Close: Bruhn, Peatling, DeBoer, Stone, Sproule, Keeffe, Angwin, Flynn.

We are building genuine depth that is more mature. Not just 18 year olds.

I agree with most of it, would likely swap Preuss and Flynn, no Tom Green is odd, I'd drop Hill to be able to squeeze Green in he's too good to leave out. Also if Keefe is healthy and looks anything like he did this year he plays over Stein.

Hendo_21 · Sep 7, 2021

Giant Strides said:
C'mon management, where are Hopper's & Flynn's signatures?

I feel pretty comfotable with Hopper but Flynn is worrying the longer this goes on

Colonial · Sep 7, 2021

Orange crush said:
Flynn forward/ruck with Briggs or Preuss Gives us that

Agree with this. Flynn up front with Briggs in the middle.

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