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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
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GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Danny88 said:
While im excited to watch the natural development of some of these kids we have unearthed… I feel like watching melb, their list is the way to go. They had drafted great talent then they went out and found players to fill the gaps. Brown is an example.

For us… we will be good next year… but if we are to elevate ourselves into the top 4 we need more firepower up front.

I think we should chase jack gunston as an option. He is gettable, a proven history and a quality forward. It would be reliant on a medical, but the chatter was that he could have played at true end of last year and they just left him on ice

We need to kick 100 points more often and no doubt he provides another solid option for us to do that
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Yeah Gunston would be cool, not sure what'd we'd have to give up for him because pick 50 likely isn't enough so it would mean trading back from 13 and moving one of those picks. Would be a great compliment to Hogan when both are fit but also good enough to lead us when Hogan is out of the team. Hogan, Gunston and HH trio would be really good.
 
'51 Bewick said:
Hi folks, hope this is okay in here.
Just wondering how Braydon Preuss is coming along with his rehab?
Do you see him being available early next season?
Cheers.
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I expect him to be first ruck rd1 2022 if fit. Had a shoulder reco, then tore a pec muscle lifting weights as he was about to return, maybe they were linked. Played a full VFL practice match the last week before finals started.
 
Orange Agent said:
I expect him to be first ruck rd1 2022 if fit. Had a shoulder reco, then tore a pec muscle lifting weights as he was about to return, maybe they were linked. Played a full VFL practice match the last week before finals started.
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I think with another off-season of development for Briggs he probably beats out Preuss for round 1 next year, I'd say this year when both were healthy it was 50/50 between them but I think Briggs will assert himself as the top option going into next year.
 
Hendo_21 said:
I think with another off-season of development for Birggs he probably beats out Preuss for round 1 next year, I'd say this year when both were healthy it was 50/50 between them but I think Briggs will assert himself as the top option going into next year.
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Possibly. The word from pre-season this year was Preuss was better than they had anticipated pre-trade. He was the clear first choice ruck back then but Flynn and Briggs have certainly shown they are more than capable and have age on their side.
 

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Orange Agent said:
Possibly. The word from pre-season this year was Preuss was better than they had anticipated pre-trade. He was the clear first choice ruck back then but Flynn and Briggs have certainly shown they are more than capable and have age on their side.
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I'm interested to see how Preuss goes next year because we've only seen him be a true number 1 ruck very rarely although the results have been good it's still a pretty small sample size. I never really saw a whole lot of him at the Dees and North but he's going to get an opportunity at some point next year keen to see how it goes.
 
Hendo_21 said:
I never really saw a whole lot of him at the Dees and North.
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Understandable mate given he only played 9 games. And the North ones were hardly memorable.

I reckon he has more potential as a Charlie Dixon style FF. He is totally fearless and will crash any pack.
 
PMBangers, I'm interested in your thoughts on Patrick Voss? He's listed for the combine at 194 cms & 91 kgs. His description is that he plays forward for his school but looking to be a midfielder. I'm guessing he's not going to be a KPF per se, but he seems to have an aura of being fairly hard at the contest and able to tackle and he reckons he can take an overhead mark. If we lose ToJ, while not replacing him outright, is there anything he could bring to GWS as a late-in-draft or rookie selection?
 
Giant Strides said:
PMBangers, I'm interested in your thoughts on Patrick Voss? He's listed for the combine at 194 cms & 91 kgs. His description is that he plays forward for his school but looking to be a midfielder. I'm guessing he's not going to be a KPF per se, but he seems to have an aura of being fairly hard at the contest and able to tackle and he reckons he can take an overhead mark. If we lose ToJ, while not replacing him outright, is there anything he could bring to GWS as a late-in-draft or rookie selection?
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hmmm, I like him but I've seen him as more of a defender than midfielder or forward going into the top level given how good he can be as a contested marker and how physical he is (see below)



Not sure his speed/ agility is quite the level for a midfielder, even in comparison to our current on ball brigade, and he relies a touch too much on having a strength advantage to get separation on the lead as a forward for mine, but having that natural aggression at the ball holds him in good stead that he may be able to forge out a role in the forward line, Hawkins isn't overly quick or agile but does use his strength advantage well and has the natural aggression, so there's at least evidence he could make it, but all of his best performances have come as a KPD from my viewing at least
 
PMBangers said:
hmmm, I like him but I've seen him as more of a defender than midfielder or forward going into the top level given how good he can be as a contested marker and how physical he is (see below)



Not sure his speed/ agility is quite the level for a midfielder, even in comparison to our current on ball brigade, and he relies a touch too much on having a strength advantage to get separation on the lead as a forward for mine, but having that natural aggression at the ball holds him in good stead that he may be able to forge out a role in the forward line, Hawkins isn't overly quick or agile but does use his strength advantage well and has the natural aggression, so there's at least evidence he could make it, but all of his best performances have come as a KPD from my viewing at least
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Thanks. That makes him a bit like Josh Green - somewhat in no man's land: not quite a mid, perhaps not quite tall enough as a defender (although Voss has about 3 cms on Green) & we've got enough middling defenders.
 
Giant Strides said:
Thanks. That makes him a bit like Josh Green - somewhat in no man's land: not quite a mid, perhaps not quite tall enough as a defender (although Voss has about 3 cms on Green) & we've got enough middling defenders.
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I think Voss is a little better than Green as a general draft prospect but it's probably a fair comparison, I'd be more than happy to have Voss on the list though to see what the club can make of him, genuinely a great contested marker which is something that isn't super common in juniors
 
PMBangers said:
I think Voss is a little better than Green as a general draft prospect but it's probably a fair comparison, I'd be more than happy to have Voss on the list though to see what the club can make of him, genuinely a great contested marker which is something that isn't super common in juniors
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I guess the problem is we can only have the 2 Category B rookie slots. Callum Brown is allowed and extra year due to COVID - I assume we'll accept that and keep him another year. We only took Will Shaw last year, and while I'm scratching my head as to whether there's good value in that, I doubt we'll cut him after just one year. So, presumably we'd have to take Voss onto the Rookie A list if he's overlooked in the main draft (which he might be) and presuming we don't use all of our slots. Or take him late in the main list. I guess I'm doubtful that we would do that, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
Hendo_21 said:
Yeah Gunston would be cool, not sure what'd we'd have to give up for him because pick 50 likely isn't enough so it would mean trading back from 13 and moving one of those picks. Would be a great compliment to Hogan when both are fit but also good enough to lead us when Hogan is out of the team. Hogan, Gunston and HH trio would be really good.
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no doubt we would have to pay up. I suppose my perspective has changed somewhat..... we have shown the younger mids and backline can play at the level.... but we also showed we can be a little toothless up front sometimes. Gunston is on the market presumably for the right price.


Cap wise..... I reckon we would need to move TOJ at a minimum to ensure he comes in. There is still a lot of chatter on cogs potentially moving (unlikely i know) but it would solve the cap room problem to bring in a proven player
 
Danny88 said:
While im excited to watch the natural development of some of these kids we have unearthed… I feel like watching melb, their list is the way to go. They had drafted great talent then they went out and found players to fill the gaps. Brown is an example.

For us… we will be good next year… but if we are to elevate ourselves into the top 4 we need more firepower up front.

I think we should chase jack gunston as an option. He is gettable, a proven history and a quality forward. It would be reliant on a medical, but the chatter was that he could have played at true end of last year and they just left him on ice

We need to kick 100 points more often and no doubt he provides another solid option for us to do that
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It is a solid no from me in regards to Gunston. With him coming off a year out of footy due to injury do you trust our medical team being able to get him fit and playing?
Also we don’t need another medium sized forward as we have 4 of those already. We need a guy who can bring a contest under a high ball.

I am hoping Leon has seen how fluidly Melbourne scored during the grand final and thinks that is the game plan we should adopt here on in. We can easily score 100+ every week if we alter our game plan from a ultra contested defensive game to an attacking game plan. How often do the Giants win a clearance but exit through the back of the stoppage rather that the front?


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Maximus 2011 said:
It is a solid no from me in regards to Gunston. With him coming off a year out of footy due to injury do you trust our medical team being able to get him fit and playing?
Also we don’t need another medium sized forward as we have 4 of those already. We need a guy who can bring a contest under a high ball.

I am hoping Leon has seen how fluidly Melbourne scored during the grand final and thinks that is the game plan we should adopt here on in. We can easily score 100+ every week if we alter our game plan from a ultra contested defensive game to an attacking game plan. How often do the Giants win a clearance but exit through the back of the stoppage rather that the front?


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the bulldogs regularly exit out the back of a stoppage. Daniels basically lives there. I suppose the difference is melb have mids than can explode out of a stoppage and we don't. The game plan has to suit they players on the list.... nobody can just pick up a game plan and do it.

Something we COULD adopt from melb would be their forward half pressure they showed. We are terrible at this area and they showed that its possible with a tall forward line

PS Gunston is 6 foot 4 in the old metric. He isnt a medium forward and he is a two goal a game forward. We would be a better team with him in it
 
Danny88 said:
Im not against it. My hesitation would be I don't know where we play him. He seems a good athlete... but we wouldnt need him to ruck. So do we see him developing as a forward? a Back?
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Well, you'd have to think that we don't see him in first grade for a year or too. So, probably we develop him as a forward in 2nd grade, and a backup ruck maybe. Similar to Mabior Chol, I suppose.
 
Danny88 said:
Im not against it. My hesitation would be I don't know where we play him. He seems a good athlete... but we wouldnt need him to ruck. So do we see him developing as a forward? a Back?
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Another Ruck/Fwd just doesn't make sense to me, Sproule, Flynn, Finlayson maybe even Preuss all have the ability to play that role. Unless he transforms himself into a true key forward I can't imagine he plays for us any time soon. Would make more sense at a club like the Crows, Suns or Hawthorn where there's no pressure to play right away. Maybe they see him as a defender but even still if we're intrested in taking a defender that high why take him over Gibcus. Seems fishy to me doesn't make sense. Hope it's not true.
 
Hendo_21 said:
Another Ruck/Fwd just doesn't make sense to me, Sproule, Flynn, Finlayson maybe even Preuss all have the ability to play that role. Unless he transforms himself into a true key forward I can't imagine he plays for us any time soon. Would make more sense at a club like the Crows, Suns or Hawthorn where there's no pressure to play right away. Maybe they see him as a defender but even still if we're intrested in taking a defender that high why take him over Gibcus. Seems fishy to me doesn't make sense. Hope it's not true.
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Well, perhaps they're more thinking about a Nik Cox type tall/fast/elusive winger role. Was the recruiting team keen on Cox last year, and taken a similar thought to this year?

I'm just not really seeing him as a tall defender at the moment, unless they have him as Nick Haynes' replacement in a few years?
 

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Giant Strides said:
Well, perhaps they're more thinking about a Nik Cox type tall/fast/elusive winger role. Was the recruiting team keen on Cox last year, and taken a similar thought to this year?

I'm just not really seeing him as a tall defender at the moment, unless they have him as Nick Haynes' replacement in a few years?
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Yeah maybe but if you're thinking a winger why not just take Callaghan then it's not like he's a short guy by any means. Seems like every role he could play there's a guy rated better then him to play that position, Gibcus/Callaghan/Amiss all seem like they would be better picks if we we're going to target those key positions. They might end up taking him but that would be really questionable to me.
 
Apparently Mac Andrew only 70kgs. At 200cm he needs to put on at least 20kgs. He won’t be playing in the one’s for at least two years as he is severely undersized.
It’s a very risky pick if we reach for him with our first pick.
 
Giant Strides said:
Yes, I'm firmly on the Callaghan train at #2 (#4).

If we really want to take Andrew, then trade down and at least get something more, but I'd still prefer Finn - he provides something that we don't have enough of and would benefit from ... very early on in his career.
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Callaghan comes ready to contribute out of the box, his kicking and running is something this team could really use around the ground especially on the wing. Doesn't seem like Mac is going to be able to play for at least a year and probably not be effective until year 3 it's just a lot of time to put into a guy when Flynn can already be that Ruck/Fwd right now and do it well.
 

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