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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
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Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
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GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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AFL trade news, rumours, whispers 2021: Bobby Hill request to Essendon, nominated destination, details, Tom Morris, three-way deal with Hawthorn (foxsports.com.au)

Foxfooty.com.au understands Andrew McDougall of Corporate Sports and list manager Jason McCartney were having positive discussions regarding an extension into 2023 and beyond in the last few rounds of the season. But GWS had one minor concern: Hill’s commitment in the off-season which had seen him return to training not as fit as they would have liked before Christmas last year. With this in mind, the Giants informed McDougall they would prefer to wait until Hill returns from his summer holiday before committing to an extension.

This was around the same time as Hill told the West Australian: “I am 100 percent keen to stay. This is the club that chose me on draft night so I don’t want to be that type of player. I want to show that love back to them.” But for the duration of the finals series, communication went quiet. GWS didn‘t think anything of it, but Hill and his management were weighing up several options. Then, around the same time as the Grand Final, the Bombers became aware of Hill’s desire to play for them. So when a trade request dropped, a deal was ready and waiting for Hill.
 
Giant Strides said:
AFL trade news, rumours, whispers 2021: Bobby Hill request to Essendon, nominated destination, details, Tom Morris, three-way deal with Hawthorn (foxsports.com.au)

Foxfooty.com.au understands Andrew McDougall of Corporate Sports and list manager Jason McCartney were having positive discussions regarding an extension into 2023 and beyond in the last few rounds of the season. But GWS had one minor concern: Hill’s commitment in the off-season which had seen him return to training not as fit as they would have liked before Christmas last year. With this in mind, the Giants informed McDougall they would prefer to wait until Hill returns from his summer holiday before committing to an extension.

This was around the same time as Hill told the West Australian: “I am 100 percent keen to stay. This is the club that chose me on draft night so I don’t want to be that type of player. I want to show that love back to them.” But for the duration of the finals series, communication went quiet. GWS didn‘t think anything of it, but Hill and his management were weighing up several options. Then, around the same time as the Grand Final, the Bombers became aware of Hill’s desire to play for them. So when a trade request dropped, a deal was ready and waiting for Hill.
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what a stitch up
 
Giant Strides said:
Really disappointed in Bobby if this is true. Right now, really don't care if we trade him out, but if we do certainly need to extract full measure.

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The landscape is so manifestly uneven. The majority of players are from VIC, WA, SA and the wealthiest clubs also from there and the cost of living is higher in NSW. GWS and GCS also have no access to father/sons for at least another 18 years.

I’m spite of this we have a system where kids can be ripped out of clubs after 2 years and blokes under contract are actively shopping themselves and then playing the compassionate grounds card.

I left my home state as an established adult for opportunity, my missus the same, my brother the same. It’s bloody hard, you have no support , you have to start everything again.

It’s tough but it’s called being an adult. If we have a child there are no uncles, aunties, grandparents take the load, we had to make new friends, we had to start again.

These guys are playing a sport for work which is their passion and are getting paid handsomely. They get exposure to the best businessmen and opportunities in the country, are feted like rock stars and get all the perks.

I absolutely loathe guys that circumvent the draft process. These c@**s and that is exactly what they are want all the benefits that playing a professional sport brings but want to make none of the sacrifices.

Guys like Chad Wingard, Bailey Smith, Archie Perkins make me want to throw up, the fact they were 17 when they made the decision makes no difference, they are selfish, self entitled little shits and should be playing VFL with their mates before returning home to suck on the bosom.
Giant Strides said:
So, in contract, offered 4 years by Bombers, waits until the trade period's almost over to squeeze us, puts out a BS ''compassionate reasons'' excuse to squeeze us even more. But worth fu** all according to Bombers' fans!

Dodo can shove that where the sun don't shine.
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I do realise that we have also done this but clubs effectively encouraging blokes to breach contracts is the absolute pits.

It’s a practice that should result in penalties and draft sanctions.
 
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The circumstances surrounding GWS small forward Bobby Hill's likely defection to Essendon have gained further clarity following a Monday morning report from Fox Sports' Tom Morris. While news of the contracted Giants' desire to join the Dons was made public on Sunday afternoon, this announcement came just months after the Western Australian stated that he was seeking an extension to remain in Sydney's west.

Though the 21-year-old had initially claimed he was committed to staying on with Leon Cameron's side, Morris claimed that the Bombers' offer of a four-year deal had trumped any proposed prolongment to continue wearing a charcoal and orange guernsey. According to further points put forth by Morris, it has been suggested that Hill's past commitment to staying in shape over the off-season had been called into question after previously returning to the Giants' fold with a lack of fitness. This view was said to be the reasoning behind the team from Tom Wills Oval holding off on officially offering Hill a deal that would expire at the end of 2024.

Morris also claimed that as this stance was taken by the expansion franchise, Essendon were said to have commenced talks with nippy forward in and around Grand Final week this year. With the Tullamarine-based club's offer to Hill obviously proving tantalising, it has left GWS resigned to the fact that the former second-round draft pick will make an exit this off-season. However, recent reports have also suggested that due to a past misdealing with the Dons, Giants General Manager of Football Jason McCartney has commenced conversations with several other Victorian teams for the Perth product's services.

According to 7AFL's Tom Browne, residual "bad blood" between the Giants and Bombers over last season's deal that saw Jye Caldwell flee to the 16-time premiers has led McCartney to protect he and his club from once again receiving 'unders' in this latest trade proposal. "The Giants, and Jason McCartney in particular, have been calling other Victorian clubs [as they are] not keen on dealing with Essendon on an exclusive basis," Browne said on Monday. "I think there was some bad blood ... it relates back to the Jye Caldwell situation last year when Paul Brasher [Essendon Chairman] described GWS as having 'sour grapes' and were unprofessional over that deal."

Despite his demands, Hill remains contracted to GWS for at least another year, and while his plea to his current employer is for a move to Melbourne on compassionate reasons, McCartney may yet have a greater say in exactly where it is the 30-game Giant ends up.
 
Andre the Giant said:
I do realise that we have also done this but clubs effectively encouraging blokes to breach contracts is the absolute pits. It’s a practice that should result in penalties and draft sanctions.
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There's a very simple solution to fix this problem.

Contracted players should be traded at the whim of the club. No contracted player, from any team, should be able to dictate where they want to go.

Ask? Sure. Demand? No.
 
Jade said:
There's a very simple solution to fix this problem.

Contracted players should be traded at the whim of the club. No contracted player, from any team, should be able to dictate where they want to go.

Ask? Sure. Demand? No.
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Imagine the snowflake millennials tears if that was ever to eventuate.
 
Taylor Moss said:
Imagine the snowflake millennials tears if that was ever to eventuate.
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I find it astonishing it hasn't been done yet.

I mean, the AFL controls so much of the minutiae of the competition, yet it has failed to address this very basic need. Players have WAY too much power in dictating where they go, which absolutely flies in the face of a league that pursues equalisation.

It should have been done when FA was introduced. Ok, you get free agency, but in return any player earning over $250k can be traded at the will of his club.

Pretty damn simple, and it completely removes this idea - imagined or not - that clubs like GWS or GC are getting dudded simply because players wanna go play for Collingwood, or West Coast, or Essendon etc. Earn your free agency, you can go wherever you like. Until then, you play where you're bloody well told.
 
Hell, you can even negotiate rules such as if the players have school aged children they need to consent etc - it's seriously not that hard.
 

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Orange crush said:
Wingard and Lobb could have been useful but I’m deeply relieved we get neither .... Take our picks to the draft and build what is already an up and coming list
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I would as much as anything resent the loss of good draft picks (possibly #13 & a future second round) for guys with limited time. Not really smart unless we really saw them as ''the final pieces'' (which I don't).
 
Cheeky thought but unlikely given Dodo would lowball even if his life depended on it.

Hill (756 i.e. pick 25) + 13 for Z.Reid + 51. Values Reid at 1709 pts (between pick 6 and 7) which was around his draft position and gives us some points for Fahey. Would take away any immediate need to take Mac to play a key position role and would let us use 2 to comfortably take Callaghan. Addresses our 2 areas of concern.

We have firepower in our forward line but we lack good forward structure (coaching issue) and specialised small forwards since we have a bunch of hybrid mid-fwds. If Callaghan along with Ash/Whitfield/Kelly can improve our delivery into forward 50, it will give us better set shots and a more reliable avenue to goal, as well as less injuries. Not saying we should neglect forward 50 pressure, but we could probably find 2 players with the acceleration needed to do so lower in the draft/rookie.

Wishful thinking, but I'm all for trade hypotheticals!
 
I have been out all day ("freedom day" here in Sydney and I badly needed a haircut plus had to do some shopping) so I've missed out on a lot of the goings-on today.

However, I've just been informed that (a) Hill or his manager made contact with Essendon to kick things off & (b) Essendon have offered him a 4-year deal.

Now, this bunkum about wanting to move to a Melbourne club on compassionate grounds is as I correctly called out earlier, nothing more than a massive smokescreen.

Furthermore, when you offer a player a four-year deal you obviously rate him very highly which means the trade price has to be a first-round pick, nothing less. Essendon has #11 and they must be made to pay that price or else Hill stays at GWS even if he has the sulks for the whole of 2022.

A future third-rounder for a player you rate so high that you give him a four-year deal just doesn't cut it in my opinion plus it doesn't pass the old fashioned pub test either.

Your people must stay strong on this one, they have the whip-hand and should use it accordingly.

As for Rory, it may be a blessing in disguise that he won't Lobb over to join you.
 
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Teeso said:
Cheeky thought but unlikely given Dodo would lowball even if his life depended on it.

Hill (756 i.e. pick 25) + 13 for Z.Reid + 51. Values Reid at 1709 pts (between pick 6 and 7) which was around his draft position and gives us some points for Fahey. Would take away any immediate need to take Mac to play a key position role and would let us use 2 to comfortably take Callaghan. Addresses our 2 areas of concern.

We have firepower in our forward line but we lack good forward structure (coaching issue) and specialised small forwards since we have a bunch of hybrid mid-fwds. If Callaghan along with Ash/Whitfield/Kelly can improve our delivery into forward 50, it will give us better set shots and a more reliable avenue to goal, as well as less injuries. Not saying we should neglect forward 50 pressure, but we could probably find 2 players with the acceleration needed to do so lower in the draft/rookie.

Wishful thinking, but I'm all for trade hypotheticals!
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I'd give up on any idea of Reid being part of a trade for Bobby I think that's so unlikely it isn't really worth considering happening.
 

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Jade said:
I find it astonishing it hasn't been done yet.

I mean, the AFL controls so much of the minutiae of the competition, yet it has failed to address this very basic need. Players have WAY too much power in dictating where they go, which absolutely flies in the face of a league that pursues equalisation.

It should have been done when FA was introduced. Ok, you get free agency, but in return any player earning over $250k can be traded at the will of his club.

Pretty damn simple, and it completely removes this idea - imagined or not - that clubs like GWS or GC are getting dudded simply because players wanna go play for Collingwood, or West Coast, or Essendon etc. Earn your free agency, you can go wherever you like. Until then, you play where you're bloody well told.
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Couldn't agree more. This would more closely approximate the US model.

It also removes the under the table offers from Carlton (Visy), Geelong (Costa empire), Collingwood (media) etc. Players are sent to whichever club offers the best deal to the current club and is prepared to take over the contract.

Would need a lot of maturity from supporters to accept this way of working however. Would be the end of the one club player and a lot of favourite sons would be getting shipped out at the drop of a hat.
 
Taylor Moss said:
Imagine the snowflake millennials tears if that was ever to eventuate.
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LOL. Guys have been pulling this shit for so long. Buckley, Rocca, Judd and more. Nothing "millenial" about it - anything who thinks so must have just tuned in.
 
Teeso said:
Cheeky thought but unlikely given Dodo would lowball even if his life depended on it.

Hill (756 i.e. pick 25) + 13 for Z.Reid + 51. Values Reid at 1709 pts (between pick 6 and 7) which was around his draft position and gives us some points for Fahey. Would take away any immediate need to take Mac to play a key position role and would let us use 2 to comfortably take Callaghan. Addresses our 2 areas of concern.

We have firepower in our forward line but we lack good forward structure (coaching issue) and specialised small forwards since we have a bunch of hybrid mid-fwds. If Callaghan along with Ash/Whitfield/Kelly can improve our delivery into forward 50, it will give us better set shots and a more reliable avenue to goal, as well as less injuries. Not saying we should neglect forward 50 pressure, but we could probably find 2 players with the acceleration needed to do so lower in the draft/rookie.

Wishful thinking, but I'm all for trade hypotheticals!
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Guys, all of you, drop off the Zac Reid/Bobby Hill trade proposals…it’s beyond silly to throw this up.

Reid was one of the top picks from last year, they absolutely love him, and were it not for illness he would have played a bit more firsts.

Putting Zac Reid up for Bobby Hill is like us putting Tanner Bruhn up for Tyson Stengle…it’s just off the wall stupid.
 

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