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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
www.bigfooty.com www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Andre the Giant said:
Guys, all of you, drop off the Zac Reid/Bobby Hill trade proposals…it’s beyond silly to throw this up.

Reid was one of the top picks from last year, they absolutely love him, and were it not for illness he would have played a bit more firsts.

Putting Zac Reid up for Bobby Hill is like us putting Tanner Bruhn up for Tyson Stengle…it’s just off the wall stupid.
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Thats your opinion. I don’t think anyone is suggesting a straight swap.

If clubs want to come for our contracted players with long term lucrative offers then they need to pay a fair trade price. We should be asking for types of players that we need and would make us better. Who cares whether they are required by the other team. Rolling over for a third rounder shouldn’t be an option.

Hill would need to have an accompanying pick to get the deal done.

Don’t think anyone thought Tom Boyd would be out the door when we stitched up Griffen but the dogs made good of a bad situation.
 
dlanod said:
Colin Young's constant popping up in trade week prompted me to do a bit of a google. His client list is quite possibly the funniest and possibly saddest thing that hasn't been widely publicised... Tell me if you sense a theme:
  • Mitch Clark. Tried to get to Freo, ended up in Melbourne, retired twice due to mental health issues.
  • Cam McCarthy. Tried to get to Freo, failed, sat out a year due to mental health issues, got traded, and then got delisted.
  • Brad Hill. Got traded to Freo, got out after a couple of years.
  • Rory Lobb. Got traded to Freo, wanted out after a couple of years.
  • Jaeger O'Meara. Didn't go to Freo! Cost his targeted team so much that he basically ruled them out of contention for years.
  • James Aish. Got traded to Collingwood who then got the boot to Freo (honestly, I didn't expect this much of a theme when I looked up his clients) because his contract was a stupid waste of money.
  • Shane Kersten. Traded to Fremantle (!), delisted after three years.
  • Bobby Hill. Not holding breath on him getting to Essendon. Maybe he'll end up at Freo?
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Cross-posting because it made me laugh...

Anyone seen Colin Young and any other Freo GM in the same room?
 
JC100 said:
Thats your opinion. I don’t think anyone is suggesting a straight swap.

If clubs want to come for our contracted players with long term lucrative offers then they need to pay a fair trade price. We should be asking for types of players that we need and would make us better. Who cares whether they are required by the other team. Rolling over for a third rounder shouldn’t be an option.

Hill would need to have an accompanying pick to get the deal done.

Don’t think anyone thought Tom Boyd would be out the door when we stitched up Griffen but the dogs made good of a bad situation.
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Firstly, we need to be cool. He hasn’t walked out on the club, he’s just asked if we can facilitate a trade and nominated his preferred club.

We are not obligated and will more than likely not do anything with this unless we are satisfied with what they offer.

They would like our guy but they are not desperate for him. Trading a highly rated key position first round pick from last year is not going to happen in a million years. If we are seeking a swap you need to find someone of at least some similar value, Reid is not that guy.
 
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captainMyCaptain said:
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Excellent, I'm not stressed if they leave him hanging. Show him what happens when he relies on the goodwill of a big Victorian club that could give less of a shit about players they're trying to poach.
 
General Giant said:
Some insight

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"Like a number of clubs, we've rung Hawthorn and asked them how serious they are about moving those players."

Guess the answer was, not really serious. (Thankfully!)

dlanod said:
Excellent, I'm not stressed if they leave him hanging. Show him what happens when he relies on the goodwill of a big Victorian club that could give less of a sh*t about players they're trying to poach.
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Yep, exactly this sentiment.
 

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Giant Strides said:
Doesn't necessarily sit out a year, but yes, be prepared for that possibility. Hopefully he sees that he's been f’ed over by Essendon when they couldn't care less about trading for him, and knuckles back down with us.
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Nah. Sit him out, Sunshine style. See how much 1 year out of the game does to a
Developing player and ruin his career and earning capacity entirely.

Why do we owe him anything?
 
Taylor Moss said:
Nah. Sit him out, Sunshine style. See how much 1 year out of the game does to a
Developing player and ruin his career and earning capacity entirely.

Why do we owe him anything?
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There's no point cutting our nose off to spite our face, and if we demonstrate that we treat him better than they did, hopefully he signs back on.
 
Giant Strides said:
There's no point cutting our nose off to spite our face, and if we demonstrate that we treat him better than they did, hopefully he signs back on.
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Why? To look like a desperate 17 year old who’s girlfriend wants to leave for the bigger, cool guy?

These petulant children that don’t know the value of a contract need that value shoved down their throats.

Screw them and screw their manager and screw their “compassionate grounds”
 
dlanod said:
Cross-posting because it made me laugh...

Anyone seen Colin Young and any other Freo GM in the same room?
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With those trades ....more likely to be the West Coast GM.
 

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Taylor Moss said:
Don’t agree there mate but I’m an all or nothing kinda cat.
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He only sits out if we don’t get what we want in trade and he refuses to return McCarthy style.
If he is happy to return then there is zero reason to sit him out. Would make a mockery of the club if we did.
 
General Giant said:
He only sits out if we don’t get what we want in trade and he refuses to return McCarthy style.
If he is happy to return then there is zero reason to sit him out. Would make a mockery of the club if we did.
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Why? He actively approached another club after being quoted in the press around the same time that he loves this club and wants to stay.

And we reward that duplicitous behaviour?
 
Taylor Moss said:
Why? He actively approached another club after being quoted in the press around the same time that he loves this club and wants to stay.

And we reward that duplicitous behaviour?
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I understand your reaction, but he is young and his personal situation is really only known to him.
The club can be be both tough and mature in how they handle this.
 
Taylor Moss said:
Why? He actively approached another club after being quoted in the press around the same time that he loves this club and wants to stay.

And we reward that duplicitous behaviour?
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It’s not rewarding, if we were rewarding we would be letting him go for a bag of chips, we aren’t.
But if he is a happy to return and is performing then he plays.
Happens to every club.
 
BarryAglett said:
I understand your reaction, but he is young and his personal situation is really only known to him.
The club can be be both tough and mature in how they handle this.
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It's an awkward situation because we've found out Hill would be rather be somewhere else.

If we can get the right price for him, he should go, but if stays there'll always be doubt over how motivated he is until he finally does go.

The sort of distraction we don't need.
 

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