List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

PaythePerryman · Oct 25, 2021

Orange crush said:
Not a draft expert but I think you are selling Callaghan short ... he seems a LOT more than another inside mid

Yeah he absolutely is.
I love the idea of him playing game 1 in 2022 on the wing and probably solidifying his spot at GWS. With a name like FINN the nicknames are coming hard and fast.

I have no doubt he will be a jet.

He's an inside/outside player who would get a great apprenticeship from Josh Kelly. Love his evasive ability.

I just think MAC is the guy.
I'll be happy either way.

GWS Goose · Oct 25, 2021

PaythePerryman said:
From the vision I've seen he looks like a pretty sweet kick of the football so I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'd imagine Mac probably won't play much in the first year at all. Depends how quickly he puts on weight.
As for the 'Logjam of talls'
I have to disagree with you on that one. Sproule/Riccardi/Briggs and maybe Brander might only get opportunity at AFL level if we are dealing with injuries to our main forwards/Rucks.

Mac is a completely different kind of Ruck prospect than Flynn/Briggs/Preuss....who I believe are Mummy-esque.
But to draft a player who has the capacity to turn into the next Nic Nat is a prospect I think the Giants would be very keen.

Our best players have always been drafted and developed at the Giants (Bar a few early pick ups).
I think that's in our DNA as a smaller market team.

Clearly I'm team MAC.

If we have have a log jam anywhere in our list....it's inside mids....so Callaghan (although I think he will be an incredible player) just doesn't suit us right now.

I fully expect to be proved 100% wrong on draft night.

Mac isn't really Nic Nat like either..both very athletic, but Mac is much, much leaner. Nic Nat is a brute these days.
He is probably closest to Tim English with a better athleticism and he is even lighter.
He is a proper 3 or 4 year proposition with a huge potential upside.
Great risk reward pick in the teens, you don't need to take so much risk at 2 (4)

GWS Goose · Oct 25, 2021

Orange crush said:
Not a draft expert but I think you are selling Callaghan short ... he seems a LOT more than another inside mid

He is more of an outside player who can run through the middle.

PaythePerryman · Oct 25, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
The difference between Flynn/Briggs and lets say best case scenario Mac turns into a Nic Nat-esque ruckmen isn't that great, what's ultimately going to determine the productivity of the midfield is the players at the ruckmens feet and if a combo of Flynn and Briggs ends up being a B+ compared to an A+ for Mac (unlikely but we'll go with it) then that's not really going to change the trajectory of this team that much unless Mac also develops into a really quality forward as well. Ruck just isn't a super valuable position and the difference between the best and pretty good (which is a very safe bet for Briggs and Flynn) isn't all that much. I know I've said this a bunch but I'm of the opinion that Briggs and Flynn should be the two rucks moving forward as they're young and good and play a two way style that compliments the weaknesses of the mids. Callaghan also has tremendous flexibility and could thrive on the outside playing more of a reciever and deliver role as opposed to ball hunter.

I think our mids have never really played with a true tap Ruckman and are constantly sharking opponents taps. MUMMY did a great job of halving the contest, but I can't agree with you there.

If we had Max Gawn (for example) I think our midfield would be unlocked.
They are doing a great job of doing the tough stuff but with the pace of the game now I want a more dynamic ruckman.

Disagree with you about the importance of Rucks impact on the game.
Mac could also just be a full forward. We don't know yet, it's raw...sure. ...callaghan is pretty much a guaranteed jet...sure.
Gotta risk it to get the biscuit.

PaythePerryman · Oct 25, 2021

GWS Goose said:
Mac isn't really Nic Nat like either..both very athletic, but Mac is much, much leaner. Nic Nat is a brute these days.
He is probably closest to Tim English with a better athleticism and he is even lighter.
He is a proper 3 or 4 year proposition with a huge potential upside.
Great risk reward pick in the teens, you don't need to take so much risk at 2 (4)

Yep. Long term prospect. Needs to stack on the weight.
Hell of a leap on him.
If only he was gettable at the 13 pick...
Good position to be in either way I think. That trade last year has put us in an amazing position for a team who is loading up for another period of sustained success.

Hendo_21 · Oct 25, 2021

PaythePerryman said:
I think our mids have never really played with a true tap Ruckman and are constantly sharking opponents taps. MUMMY did a great job of halving the contest, but I can't agree with you there.

If we had Max Gawn (for example) I think our midfield would be unlocked.
They are doing a great job of doing the tough stuff but with the pace of the game now I want a more dynamic ruckman.

Disagree with you about the importance of Rucks impact on the game.
Mac could also just be a full forward. We don't know yet, it's raw...sure. ...callaghan is pretty much a guaranteed jet...sure.
Gotta risk it to get the biscuit.

Our midfield is consistently (except 2020) right up near the top of the competition in clearances and contested possessions despite not having a typical tap ruckmen. Ultimately it doesn't matter that much which ruck hits the ball first because most of the time both teams get a crack at it to win it.

PaythePerryman · Oct 25, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Our midfield is consistently (except 2020) right up near the top of the competition in clearances and contested possessions despite not having a typical tap ruckmen. Ultimately it doesn't matter that much which ruck hits the ball first because most of the time both teams get a crack at it to win it.

'Despite' being the operative word. Imagine if you skew those numbers in our favour even by a further 10%...worth it? Maybe.

You might be right, you probably are, but I'd like to see what our midfield looks like when they can read a proper tap Ruckman who gives them more chance to get first clean use. You potentially start dominating teams.
It's a four year venture and I understand that. I don't think we should take him with pick 2 straight up.
Callaghan seems to be what people on here want. I was very much of that opinion too. I just don't think should be disappointed with targeting a player that is 'higer risk'.

Fortunately, Caruso has his head screwed on....good spot to be in.

Orange crush · Oct 25, 2021

PaythePerryman said:
'Despite' being the operative word. Imagine if you skew those numbers in our favour even by a further 10%...worth it? Maybe.

You might be right, you probably are, but I'd like to see what our midfield looks like when they can read a proper tap Ruckman who gives them more chance to get first clean use. You potentially start dominating teams.
It's a four year venture and I understand that. I don't think we should take him with pick 2 straight up.
Callaghan seems to be what people on here want. I was very much of that opinion too. I just don't think should be disappointed with targeting a player that is 'higer risk'.

Fortunately, Caruso has his head screwed on....good spot to be in.

I’m keen on Callaghan but not against Andrew or even someone else, just I would want to try to get Andrew plus an extra pick by trading down

PaythePerryman · Oct 25, 2021

Orange crush said:
I’m keen on Callaghan but not against Andrew or even someone else, just I would want to try to get Andrew plus an extra pick by trading down

Either works for me.

Mr Magic · Oct 26, 2021

PaythePerryman said:
Yeah he absolutely is.
I love the idea of him playing game 1 in 2022 on the wing and probably solidifying his spot at GWS. With a name like FINN the nicknames are coming hard and fast.

I have no doubt he will be a jet.

He's an inside/outside player who would get a great apprenticeship from Josh Kelly. Love his evasive ability.

I just think MAC is the guy.
I'll be happy either way.

So if you could get Callaghan and Mac Andrew you would take that?

I have not and will not do a mock draft but I can see a scenario where GWS get both Callaghan and Mac Andrew.

Its fairly different from the mock draft thread running on this board to

Danny88 · Oct 26, 2021

GWS Goose said:
Mac isn't really Nic Nat like either..both very athletic, but Mac is much, much leaner. Nic Nat is a brute these days.
He is probably closest to Tim English with a better athleticism and he is even lighter.
He is a proper 3 or 4 year proposition with a huge potential upside.
Great risk reward pick in the teens, you don't need to take so much risk at 2 (4)

His vertical leap is way better than what English offers

PaythePerryman · Oct 26, 2021

Mr Magic said:
So if you could get Callaghan and Mac Andrew you would take that?

I have not and will not do a mock draft but I can see a scenario where GWS get both Callaghan and Mac Andrew.

Its fairly different from the mock draft thread running on this board to

Oh absolutely. For me that's the ideal scenario. But I think MAC will get picked earlier than 13(15). I guess there's a chance other teams who are more midfield focussed won't take the risk....but I don't see him getting past Freo at 6,8(8,10).

GWS Goose · Oct 26, 2021

Danny88 said:
His vertical leap is way better than what English offers

agreed.
Funnily enough, I originally specified better leap, and thought that was discounting his other athletic advantages so changed it to be more encompassing.

captainMyCaptain · Oct 26, 2021

Obeanie1 · Oct 26, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
If the plan is to play him as a forward wouldn’t rule out Gibcus just yet with our first pick

3rd tall roaming forward is his best spot imo. Can play 3rd tall defender well too.

We arent a happy lot about it but you win some you lose some.

I hope he comes good for you guys. In fact hope he kills it, kicks the winning goal in the Giants first flag. You all feel sorry for not trading for him a do us and Cogs a solid and trade him too us with a discount.

(this is the bargaining stage of grief)

At least Geelong or Richmond didnt get him.

Hendo_21 · Oct 26, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:

Buzz doesn't seem to be going away

Andre the Giant · Oct 26, 2021

Why don’t we just take Callaghan and then give up our future 1st to upgrade our Pick 15 to place ourselves in the Andrew reckoning?

We have a lot of time and collateral to be able to trade back into next years draft. We have to ensure we get the players we need.

gee whiz giant · Oct 26, 2021

I like Brander as a get, with potential upside a better fit than players with a known ceiling. (Wingard, Breust, Lobb)

Taylor Moss · Oct 26, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
Why don’t we just take Callaghan and then give up our future 1st to upgrade our Pick 15 to place ourselves in the Andrew reckoning?

We have a lot of time and collateral to be able to trade back into next years draft. We have to ensure we get the players we need.

We’d have to offer more, I think? Future 1st and third?

Maximus 2011 · Oct 26, 2021

gee whiz giant said:
I like Brander as a get, with potential upside a better fit than players with a known ceiling. (Wingard, Breust, Lobb)

Brander if recruited as a forward is just another 3rd forward. How many more 3rd forwards do we need? We need a guy who can contest a high ball and not get out marked 12 times a game like Himmelberg does

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Danny88 · Oct 26, 2021

Maximus 2011 said:
Brander if recruited as a forward is just another 3rd forward. How many more 3rd forwards do we need? We need a guy who can contest a high ball and not get out marked 12 times a game like Himmelberg does

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Lol

Reckon they knew Kennedy would be as good as he was in his third year?

Gimme a break… nobody knows how good he is gonna be

Hendo_21 · Oct 26, 2021

Danny88 said:
Lol

Reckon they knew Kennedy would be as good as he was in his third year?

Gimme a break… nobody knows how good he is gonna be

I feel pretty confident in the fact that Brander won't turn into Josh Kennedy and that's perfectly fine, think best case scenario he turns into a quality second tall option which would be a great result. Considering he's joining us as a delisted free agent and there isn't a lot invested in him even if he can turn into a fairly regular best 22 player thats a win for us which I think is well within his range outcomes.

Andre the Giant · Oct 26, 2021

This shouldn’t even be a discussion. He’s cheap depth, if he works out great, if he doesn’t it’s no harm at all.

Danny88 · Oct 27, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
I feel pretty confident in the fact that Brander won't turn into Josh Kennedy and that's perfectly fine, think best case scenario he turns into a quality second tall option which would be a great result. Considering he's joining us as a delisted free agent and there isn't a lot invested in him even if he can turn into a fairly regular best 22 player thats a win for us which I think is well within his range outcomes.

The point is that nobody actually knows what a first round tall will become. The taller they are the harder it is to pick

Your draft potential and traits. In this case we trade in those things

gee whiz giant · Oct 27, 2021

Jay Lockhart from Melbourne a possibility thru the Rookie Draft, according to SEN

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