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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
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GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Giant Strides said:
Suns are keeping things close to their chest. Whilst recruiting Mabior Chol might seem to have reduced the impetus to get a similar ruck-forward, and increased the impetus to select Josh Gibcus, the buzz on the Suns board is that Gibcus has been read as a flight risk by the Suns (which is at odds with his public statements). So, hard to tell. In short, nothing clear, but some buzz has Suns interested in Mac.
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Could be interpretated as Gibcus maybe hinting to the suns that he isn't too keen to either move up to Queensland or maybe or to the suns specifically, also could be smoke to try and deter GWS from taking him so they can scoop him up.
 
Giant Strides said:
So, the Freo board has a bit of a buzz about a possible double trade - them, Crows & us. (Of course, I don't believe anything until it actually happens, but sometimes the rumours come true.)

Adelaide trade #4 and #33 to Fremantle for for #6 and #19.

Then Freo trade #4 and #8 to GWS for #2 and #13 (gives us more value than #6 & #8 for #2 & #13).

That gets Freo Callaghan, and #13 will be Amiss, NWM, JVR, Goater - plenty of options to complement Callaghan.

Adelaide can't get Callaghan anyway as they won't trade a F1R, so get a pretty good option at #6, and their late 2R pick comes into the coveted pick #19.

GWS get two picks inside the top 10, even after pushback. Obviously miss out on Callaghan, so can we get 2 of the other 3 we like?

It might go something like:

1 Norths - JHF
2 bid match Pies - Daicos
3 bid match Dogs - Darcy
4 Freo - Callaghan
5 Suns - Andrew or Gibcus
6 GWS - Gibcus or Andrew or Rachele
7 Hawks - Ward
8 Crows - Erasmus or Rachele
9 Tigers - Hobbs or Amiss or Gibcus
10 GWS - Rachele or Gibcus or Erasmus or NWM

Clearly the risk is that Suns take Mac Andrew and our gamble has backfired.

The second risk is that if Mac is gone, we take the second best tall in Gibcus, but then Rachele goes to Crows, so we only get 1 out of 4 preferred players. If we took Rachele at #6, albeit early, then probably Gibcus gets through to our second pick, but not necessarily. However, there are a couple of reasonable options.

But, if we've judged correctly, we could get 2 guys who add to our squad, just for missing out on Callaghan.

Thoughts? Love the risk, hate the risk?
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Mostly agree with all this, aside from Gibcus sliding that far. Most clubs will take best available in the first round, and although you might get the occasional pick that is for positional need, it doesn't normally happen that far outside the range.
 
Hendo_21 said:
Could be interpretated as Gibcus maybe hinting to the suns that he isn't too keen to either move up to Queensland or maybe or to the suns specifically, also could be smoke to try and deter GWS from taking him so they can scoop him up.
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The former would seem to be at odds with his public statements, although could be driven more by a perception of where Suns are placed at the moment in their development I guess. Not sure about the second - GWS would do their own due diligence on Josh and make their own assessment.
 
WeedsMullet84 said:
Mostly agree with all this, aside from Gibcus sliding that far. Most clubs will take best available in the first round, and although you might get the occasional pick that is for positional need, it doesn't normally happen that far outside the range.
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Ack - but which club do you see will take Gibcus as best available over who I've postulated? I'd be content to call Ward, Hobbs & Rachele as better outright (as well as by needs basis for those clubs), arguably Erasmus too, Amiss as the first KPF possibly also. Second guessing what clubs will do is fraught with danger and potentially leaves us with egg on our face, but I have Gibcus in the latter part of the top 10 not early.
 

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Listening to the herald sun podcast got the impression our focus will be with the forward line. Also put out the possibility that pick 13 could be perceived as reach. But sounds like a lot of final decisions are still very much up in the air. Also seems like the club is content with our key defensive stock.
 
captainMyCaptain said:
Listening to the herald sun podcast got the impression our focus will be with the forward line. Also put out the possibility that pick 13 could be perceived as reach. But sounds like a lot of final decisions are still very much up in the air. Also seems like the club is content with our key defensive stock.
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If we're taking everything he said under the condition that he was being truthful and not trying to decieve anyone, I left podcast feeling pretty confident that Gibcus or Callaghan won't be the pick at 2. He spoke about it's not his philosphy to take the best player simply because he's the best player even if they'll struggle to get games, which is a lesson he's learnt the hard way, that to me puts Callaghan in serious doubt. Also the way he discussed the backline pretty glowingly makes me think Gibcus won't be the play at least at 2, if he's still there at 13 (very unlikely) then I'm sure that probably changes. Followed Jason's lead in the fact that the club only plans to take 3 players as of now and that they're probably looking at keeping the pick instead of trading at this point. Defintely think it's going to be about adding a forward half impact, singled out Rachele as I guy they like. They said they've narrowed it down to 8 players at 13 wonder what sort of players they've got in mind.
 
Hendo_21 said:
If we're taking everything he said under the condition that he was being truthful and not trying to decieve anyone, I left podcast feeling pretty confident that Gibcus or Callaghan won't be the pick at 2. He spoke about it's not his philosphy to take the best player simply because he's the best player even if they'll struggle to get games, which is a lesson he's learnt the hard way, that to me puts Callaghan in serious doubt. Also the way he discussed the backline pretty glowingly makes me think Gibcus won't be the play at least at 2, if he's still there at 13 (very unlikely) then I'm sure that probably changes. Followed Jason's lead in the fact that the club only plans to take 3 players as of now and that they're probably looking at keeping the pick instead of trading at this point. Defintely think it's going to be about adding a forward half impact, singled out Rachele as I guy they like. They said they've narrowed it down to 8 players at 13 wonder what sort of players they've got in mind.
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I thought it was a great listen. I think the Callaghan topic was really interesting. Had me thinking that they are basically 50/50 between Finn and MAC. Those two typify the 'Best Available/Need' discussion. It's like there's a sliding scale depending on how high the pick is.
I never really thought Gibcus was going to be selected by the Giants with our first pick, I agree that our back line is looking pretty safe to me and if we want to find another tall defender that the trade period would have been the time to fix that depth problem.
You're right...him saying the plan so far has been to take 3 players was interesting. Probably indicates that if they are going to do a deal for 2 to slide and take MAC that they will be looking for a future first round in return. I guess that means the clubs you want to deal with the most changes slightly.
 
Ha, well, I thought Adrian was pretty inscrutable, and while he talked a lot, I don't know that you could take too much of substance away. I'd tend to agree that KPD is the least likely, but he focussed on the forward area because that's the question he was asked (courtesy of our PMBangers). He also said that he and the team still had a lot of work to do to solidify our plans. I wouldn't be surprised by any outcome to be honest.
 
Giant Strides said:
Ha, well, I thought Adrian was pretty inscrutable, and while he talked a lot, I don't know that you could take too much of substance away. I'd tend to agree that KPD is the least likely, but he focussed on the forward area because that's the question he was asked (courtesy of our PMBangers). He also said that he and the team still had a lot of work to do to solidify our plans. I wouldn't be surprised by any outcome to be honest.
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Yeah as good as he is when it comes to those draft day videos he gives pretty much donuts in the lead up, understandable but littke frustrating as a general punter. I think the main thing I took out of it was he's very clearly high on Rachele, I excluded him from the list of names assuming he'd be out of the frame for Pick 13 but AC brought him up in that answer as well essentially unprompted. Not sure who it was on the Freo board you saw make the 3 way trade suggestion, but it could be on the money if Josh is in our thinking
 
PMBangers said:
Yeah as good as he is when it comes to those draft day videos he gives pretty much donuts in the lead up, understandable but littke frustrating as a general punter. I think the main thing I took out of it was he's very clearly high on Rachele, I excluded him from the list of names assuming he'd be out of the frame for Pick 13 but AC brought him up in that answer as well essentially unprompted. Not sure who it was on the Freo board you saw make the 3 way trade suggestion, but it could be on the money if Josh is in our thinking
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I thought AC singling out Rachele voluntarily was pretty telling especially with their rumoured intrest as of late.
 
Hendo_21 said:
I thought AC singling out Rachele voluntarily was pretty telling especially with their rumoured intrest as of late.
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If it was genuine, then it signals our interest clearly. But it could be like a magician's act - focus on something here to distract from something else happening.

However, if we managed to finish ND with Rachele, Andrew and Fahey, I think most people would feel it was a decent result all round - some value for the near-term, but also some longer term investment. Still, that's a big IF at the moment.
 

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Giant Strides said:
If it was genuine, then it signals our interest clearly. But it could be like a magician's act - focus on something here to distract from something else happening.

However, if we managed to finish ND with Rachele, Andrew and Fahey, I think most people would feel it was a decent result all round - some value for the near-term, but also some longer term investment. Still, that's a big IF at the moment.
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We have to assume he's being genuine otherwise there's no real point having any discussion about his comments, if a trade was on the cards think they'd look to bring in future picks with how often they've reinforced the point that they're only looking for 3 players to add. A lot more talls likely in next years first round which should help us get the opportunity to take a chance on one of them and maybe we'll just have to get by this year and fingers crossed we can get 15ish games from Hogan.
 
Giant Strides said:
Ack - but which club do you see will take Gibcus as best available over who I've postulated? I'd be content to call Ward, Hobbs & Rachele as better outright (as well as by needs basis for those clubs), arguably Erasmus too, Amiss as the first KPF possibly also. Second guessing what clubs will do is fraught with danger and potentially leaves us with egg on our face, but I have Gibcus in the latter part of the top 10 not early.
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It's a fair question. Out of the two though it's Andrew who's more likely to slide to your second pick in that pick swap scenario, but nothing is a guarantee.

I think Hawks would be a chance to take Gibcus, particularly if Ward & Hobbs are off the board.

Hobbs is better outright, Ward & Rachele are debatable.
 
Giant Strides said:
Ha, well, I thought Adrian was pretty inscrutable, and while he talked a lot, I don't know that you could take too much of substance away. I'd tend to agree that KPD is the least likely, but he focussed on the forward area because that's the question he was asked (courtesy of our PMBangers). He also said that he and the team still had a lot of work to do to solidify our plans. I wouldn't be surprised by any outcome to be honest.
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To me the main thing Adrian wanted to get out was that to trade pick 2 was going to take a special offer and push back against the narrative pushed by Twomey that moving down a couple of spots and gaining a future 2nd would get the job done which coincidentally follows on Twomey saying Hill was only worth a future 3rd rounder during the trade period.
 

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WeedsMullet84 said:
It's a fair question. Out of the two though it's Andrew who's more likely to slide to your second pick in that pick swap scenario, but nothing is a guarantee.

I think Hawks would be a chance to take Gibcus, particularly if Ward & Hobbs are off the board.

Hobbs is better outright, Ward & Rachele are debatable.
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I think that this identifies it remains a risk to GWS if they do a swap, that there's no guarantee they get the two guys they want, although they do get a guarantee of one of the four they like if the scenario played out GWS getting Adelaide's pick 4 (which becomes 6). There's lots of mixed opinions on where the kids are placed. I think the only guarantee is that JHF, Daicos, Darcy & Callaghan are in the top 10. But I named 12 players as possible top 10, obviously 2 won't be there in reality (NWM is one for mine), but some of that may depend on where the final draft order ends up and who the earlier clubs take. I'd be relatively surprised if anyone else was in the top 10. I would be surprised if Hawks took a tall.

captainMyCaptain said:
To me the main thing Adrian wanted to get out was that to trade pick 2 was going to take a special offer and push back against the narrative pushed by Twomey that moving down a couple of spots and gaining a future 2nd would get the job done which coincidentally follows on Twomey saying Hill was only worth a future 3rd rounder during the trade period.
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Yes, that message was loud and clear. A piddly minor pick wasn't going to do the trick. There's been some really stupid commentary by the media in that regards (and frankly, by other clubs' poster on BF - in some scenarios the extra pick(s) to get #2 from GWS being thrown up as less than they'd accept from someone else for their own pick #4/5/6/7!! :drunk:)

Shinboner1 said:
His biggest issue has always been finding a position on field. Where do you think he fits in the side?
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Agree with your statement. We need to select a clear position to run him in and try him there all year (whether firsts or VFL). I'd narrow it down to KPF or KPD, and of those two I reckon KPF is his go. We've just let Finlayson go; I could see Brander taking that third tall forward role (the other options for GWS being Sproule and Riccardi). The way Finlayson played was largely a roaming role, which would suit Brander's strengths. Then he just needs to be able to kick straight!
 
Given Brander being signed as DFA, I would not be surprised if one more main list player is de-listed at the last minute before the next list lodgement deadline, to enable us to take 5 picks to the ND and get maximum points value for a Fahey bid match. If they do, I could see Lachie Keeffe being the guy - with his injury, there's no risk to anyone trying to nick him from us (if that's even a thing).

Otherwise, we'll only have 4 spots available on the main list (and total list) - so the current pick #71 would be lost.
 
Twomey is a little private school gobshite who throws out rubbish opinion in order for it to try and gain traction so he can set an agenda.

Of the bad ones, he’s one of the very bad ones.
 
Giant Strides said:
I think that this identifies it remains a risk to GWS if they do a swap, that there's no guarantee they get the two guys they want, although they do get a guarantee of one of the four they like if the scenario played out GWS getting Adelaide's pick 4 (which becomes 6). There's lots of mixed opinions on where the kids are placed. I think the only guarantee is that JHF, Daicos, Darcy & Callaghan are in the top 10. But I named 12 players as possible top 10, obviously 2 won't be there in reality (NWM is one for mine), but some of that may depend on where the final draft order ends up and who the earlier clubs take. I'd be relatively surprised if anyone else was in the top 10. I would be surprised if Hawks took a tall.



Yes, that message was loud and clear. A piddly minor pick wasn't going to do the trick. There's been some really stupid commentary by the media in that regards (and frankly, by other clubs' poster on BF - in some scenarios the extra pick(s) to get #2 from GWS being thrown up as less than they'd accept from someone else for their own pick #4/5/6/7!! :drunk:)


Agree with your statement. We need to select a clear position to run him in and try him there all year (whether firsts or VFL). I'd narrow it down to KPF or KPD, and of those two I reckon KPF is his go. We've just let Finlayson go; I could see Brander taking that third tall forward role (the other options for GWS being Sproule and Riccardi). The way Finlayson played was largely a roaming role, which would suit Brander's strengths. Then he just needs to be able to kick straight!
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If we want to trade down and get a future first, perhaps we could trade our 2022r1 for gold coasts 3 2022r2's.
Then trade pick2, 2 2022r2's for 5, hawthorn2022r1.
Given those 2022r2 's could be freo, collingwood,
It might work out as acceptable to all parties.
Just trying to conr up with ideas, I don't see how else we trade with hawthorn if we want to trade down (assuming 2 for 5,21 isn't acceptable to both us and hawthorn).
 
Giant Strides said:
Yes, that message was loud and clear. A piddly minor pick wasn't going to do the trick. There's been some really stupid commentary by the media in that regards (and frankly, by other clubs' poster on BF - in some scenarios the extra pick(s) to get #2 from GWS being thrown up as less than they'd accept from someone else for their own pick #4/5/6/7!! :drunk:)
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Yeah absolutely. I think there's a little less leverage here with GWS because they've made it pretty clear they're looking for positional need though, right?
 

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