List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[Arr0w]

Sure. And a large part of the responsibility for getting buy-in falls to the coach.

So neither coach has achieved this yeah?

 

[Stamos]

So neither coach has achieved this yeah?

I'd say that they both achieved it, and then lost it.

 

[Jeremias]

Honey and Cottrell are both second year rookies. Will we look to promote them to the senior list?

They can both be kept on the rookie list for a 3rd season.

 

[Ash24]

What’s this media talk of Tom Mitchell to us??
Merrett is way better and won’t cost us picks
We will easily be able to afford him with Murphy, Betts , Casboult and Ed retiring
(I know Ed is still getting a kick but he is holding up development of our young uns)
Thoughts?

Him and Betts are playing good footy at the moment, but it's not great for us if both are in our best 22 come the end of next year (when you would think we're making finals).

As much as I love Ed I think we need to play someone like Stocker in that role. Big bodied inside mid, who potentially has the defensive game to lock down opponents if needed. Same goes with Eddie, and Honey who could be his replacement.

Assuming both will play on next year, when do we make the switch? Do we replace Curnow/Betts with Stocker/Honey now and blood them for 2022? Or do we hold off bringing them in until they really deserve it? Assuming this season if over for us, what's the best option?

 

[Ash24]

Williams & Saad are obvious assets in our back line and should not be moved.
If we get McGov, up together with our elite talls, Weitering and Jones, last spot can br raffled between Newman, Parks or Boyd , I think he’ll be a gem.
We’ve got an awesome defense and great launching pad for our forward line.

Plowman says hello.

 

[PezzDogg95]

They can both be kept on the rookie list for a 3rd season.

Cottrell is a third year rookie already, signed along with Gibbons prior to 2019 season, but only debuted last year.

It is promote or delist for Cottrell this coming offseason, and I genuinely don't know which one it will be.

 

[no fate]

Cottrell is a third year rookie already, signed along with Gibbons prior to 2019 season, but only debuted last year.

It is promote or delist for Cottrell this coming offseason, and I genuinely don't know which one it will be.

Not saying we should, but could we delist and re-rookie Cottrell?

 

[Jeremias]

Cottrell is a third year rookie already, signed along with Gibbons prior to 2019 season, but only debuted last year.

It is promote or delist for Cottrell this coming offseason, and I genuinely don't know which one it will be.

You are correct.

Think he will definitely be promoted. Limited by his poor disposal but his running power is a real strength.

 

[Bokan]

Not saying we should, but could we delist and re-rookie Cottrell?

Yes we can

 

[Jeremias]

How many players on our list do you expect to be earning more than $800k per year?

I don't know. My guess is there are a few as there are at every club.

Regardless, I think you're looking at the value of the contract as a whole and assuming Williams will be earning the same amount in his final year as he is in his first.

Obviously I don't have any concrete proof but I'm very prepared to suggest that's flat out wrong. His contract will have been heavily front-loaded. As was Martin's. As most likely was McGovern's.

If Cripps and McKay leave, then it is quite realistic that Williams is the highest paid player on our list in 2026. There's no other current player (bar possibly Weitering) who projects to be at that point, and what are our odds of attracting a star worth that much before then?

And if 30 players leave someone like Dow might be our highest paid player. I'm not sure what use that sort of hypothetical is.

For what it's worth, I highly doubt both of them leave and it's completely pointless hypothesizing what our pay structure might look like 5 seasons down the track.

I think it is very feasible that Williams, at 32, could be our highest paid player. I think it is almost certain that for the 2024-2026 period he is in our top 5 paid players, even if we keep our current big guns.

Top 5 is a chance. Highest paid is not.

He is flat out not good enough, and never has been, to be receiving that money and profile and it will create too many other problems if we actually start to rise. Again, we're going to be eating a sh*t sandwich from now into the offseason - might as well take our medicine and find the trade for him if we can.[/QUOTE]

He's flat out not good enough at the moment and that is widely agreed. He's a very good footballer though and I'm backing him to recapture that form at some point.

Yeah he's overpaid but such is the nature of the industry and in particular free agency. Name me some free agents who moved clubs for less than what they are worth - there wouldn't be many.

Sorry, but trading him would be an awful move and if anything it belongs in the chicken little thread because it's an emotional point rather than a rational one. There is just no rational argument for it IMO.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Him and Betts are playing good footy at the moment, but it's not great for us if both are in our best 22 come the end of next year (when you would think we're making finals).

As much as I love Ed I think we need to play someone like Stocker in that role. Big bodied inside mid, who potentially has the defensive game to lock down opponents if needed. Same goes with Eddie, and Honey who could be his replacement.

Assuming both will play on next year, when do we make the switch? Do we replace Curnow/Betts with Stocker/Honey now and blood them for 2022? Or do we hold off bringing them in until they really deserve it? Assuming this season if over for us, what's the best option?

Curnow didn’t play midfield last week and his minutes were taken up by Dow. Dow, Setters, Walsh and Cripps were our midfield group last week. If we are going down that development route then going off last week the midfield time will have to come off those guys. That will be bloody tough to do as people will complain about any off them not playing midfield. After last week though I’m not sure Curnow will be kept out of the midfield completely again for awhile. Betts is impacting games too much atm to drop.

 

[thylacine60]

Yes we can

Let it go, Barack.

 

[Stamos]

Curnow didn’t play midfield last week and his minutes were taken up by Dow. Dow, Setters, Walsh and Cripps were our midfield group last week. If we are going down that development route then going off last week the midfield time will have to come off those guys. That will be bloody tough to do as people will complain about any off them not playing midfield. After last week though I’m not sure Curnow will be kept out of the midfield completely again for awhile. Betts is impacting games too much atm to drop.

I can understand Ed spending time out of the guts, to get minutes into the younger mids.

The absolutely crazy part was that there was a perfect target for Ed to tag on the wing, Gaff.
Instead, we play Docherty, a HBF on the wing, Ed, being useless at half back, and Gaff carving us up.
Utterly bonkers.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I can understand Ed spending time out of the guts, to get minutes into the younger mids.

The absolutely crazy part was that there was a perfect target for Ed to tag on the wing, Gaff.
Instead, we play Docherty, a HBF on the wing, Ed, being useless at half back, and Gaff carving us up.
Utterly bonkers.

The thing that annoyed me the most was somehow Gaff got as many clearances as anyone in our side.

 

[katmanblue]

Walsh for captain. Thoughts

Too young. Weitering first. Walsh after he's 25.

 

[katmanblue]

sh*t, I thought he would have been nominated at least? That's absurd.
He's definitely a dynamic half-back when fit.

9 years. How many full seasons? That's why. Never fit.

 

[forever blue 1]

Williams & Saad are obvious assets in our back line and should not be moved.
If we get McGov, up together with our elite talls, Weitering and Jones, last spot can br raffled between Newman, Parks or Boyd , I think he’ll be a gem.
We’ve got an awesome defense and great launching pad for our forward line.

Means zip if the correct game style isn’t being applied. We play an exhausting style.

 

[Ash24]

It's clear to me that the way we manage our midfield and the players going through there, is way too dimensional. I've tried to work out a system bellow in which we can maximise that talent on our list... (note: For this exercise, Ed Curnow would be playing on a wing)


Let's assume that the average AFL midfielder spends anywhere between 70-90% time on ground - we'll use 80% as an average.

In my opinion, Cripps should be spending about 3/4 of that 80% of time (works out to 60%) in our stoppages and going through the midfield. The remaining 1/4 of his TOG should be used up forward.

I then repeated that same process with a few others, so it could all add up to a realistic value:
Walsh to spend 85% of his TOG in the midfield, 15% on a wing (80% x 0.85) = 70% of overall game time in the midfield/centre bounces/stoppages.
Stocker - 80% x 0.65 = 50% overall game time in midfield
Setters - 80% x 0.60 = 47.5%
Dow - 80% x 0.60 = 47.5%
Fisher - 80% x 0.40 = 25%

~ I know it must be confusing for some so far, but we're almost there ~

Using the value of 300% as the number of 100% multiplied by our 3 on-ballers at any time, you can see all the numbers above actually add up perfectly to that magic figure.

60 + 70 + 50 + 47.5 + 47.5 + 35 = 300%


So what does this all mean? Well it proves that in an ideal world we can get all the names above, all sharing reasonable midfield minutes.

~ Walsh would be our main on-baller, with Cripps not far behind.
~ Stocker will spend most of his game in the guts, resting in defence and allowing Doc/Saad to rotate onto a wing.
~ Dow and Setters will also be playing mainly midfield, occasionally running through a wing or pinch hitting up forward.
~ Fisher will start off a HFF, but will spend some game time up the ground when Walsh/Cripps are off for a spell.


So COME ON TEAGUEY, give us a bit of variety with our midfield mix!

 

[Duece1995]

The biggest concern is we have one of the oldest lists that have been playing seniors. Only one player has been a debutant this year. This is the really concerning part. We need to be getting game time into Dow & Stocker in the middle or on the wing. Bring in LOB on the wing. Surely we cannot keep playing Cottrell in the side?

 

[thylacine60]

Rival clubs reportedly considering HUGE bid to lure ‘disillusioned’ No.1 pick

Rival clubs reportedly considering HUGE bid to lure ‘disillusioned’ No.1 pick

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[DangerousD]

Rival clubs reportedly considering HUGE bid to lure ‘disillusioned’ No.1 pick

Rival clubs reportedly considering HUGE bid to lure ‘disillusioned’ No.1 pick

www.foxsports.com.au

Really makes me laugh, watch out Blues fans, the Pies, with salary cap pressure, no first round picks and an ageing list, are coming for Harry.

 

[Jeremias]

Clickbait rubbish from Morris.

Harry is more likely to go to North than to Collingwood. And he won't end up at North.

 

[bigm386]

How long does McGovern have left on his contract?

I just saw someone say 2 years.... I bloody hope not

 

[bigm386]

It's kind of funny, for as shit we have been we generally don't lose players we want to keep.

Last one I remember was Henderson.

 

[Snake_Baker]

It's kind of funny, for as sh*t we have been we generally don't lose players we want to keep.

Last one I remember was Henderson.

When did the last highly ranked KPF who was not a free agent, get up and leave a club?

1) For something like that to even get off the ground there would have to be a major rift between the player & club and that's not a factor here.
2) He's arguably Carlton's most important asset, and certainly the hardest to replace, so the Blues would be hitting up for the kitchen sink if the player was actually disgruntled.

It's just ridiculous.