List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[RAPPA]

I agree, it must be a problem with our development and/or instructions from coaches. Some of our players have just seemed to almost go backwards in their development.

Weiters, Harry and Walsh have been superb.
TDK, Fisher, JSOS, Cunners (and Charlie?) are getting there.
Jury is still out on Stocker, Kemp, Philp, Ramsay, Carroll and Durdin.
Setters, Kennedy, Dow, Willo, O'Brien and Samo just haven't reached where they should be.
Polson and Macreadie have been busts.

Overall about a 50% strike rate.

Ignoring the 2015 draft (Weiters, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham and JSOS), our drafting since then has had a poor strike rate:

2016: SPS (not looking good), Fisher (tick), Macreadie (bust), Polson (bust), Williamson (not looking good), Kerr (bust)
2017: Dow (not looking good), LOB (not looking good), TDK (promising), Schumacher (bust), Garlett (bust)
2018: Walsh (tick), Stocker (TBD), BSOS (bust), Finbar (bust)
2019: Kemp, Philp and Ramsay (all TBD)
2020: Durdin & Carroll (all TBD)

With where we are at now (and where we should be), our recruiting in the 2016 and 2017 drafts are really hurting.

 

[Stamos]

It is a disgrace for the club to start the biggest rebuild in its history, then 5 years on go, oh sorry, our development is sh*t...

It was 4 years not 5, but it's still very bad.

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

Might be interesting to look at this data.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Ignoring the 2015 draft (Weiters, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham and JSOS), our drafting since then has had a poor strike rate:

2016: SPS (not looking good), Fisher (tick), Macreadie (bust), Polson (bust), Williamson (not looking good), Kerr (bust)
2017: Dow (not looking good), LOB (not looking good), TDK (promising), Schumacher (bust), Garlett (bust)
2018: Walsh (tick), Stocker (TBD), BSOS (bust), Finbar (bust)
2019: Kemp, Philp and Ramsay (all TBD)
2020: Durdin & Carroll (all TBD)

With where we are at now (and where we should be), our recruiting in the 2016 and 2017 drafts are really hurting.

I wish I knew where that graph is on the draft board somewhere showing the number of games played per pick or over a range of picks.
Eg pick 50-60 have an avg games played of 20 with one in 8 having played 100 games.

TBH I think perceptions can change very easily though. If someone like LOB or Dow gets in the side and starts playing well then the spotlight could be more on the individual players then their development.

 

[Ash24]

Ignoring the 2015 draft (Weiters, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham and JSOS), our drafting since then has had a poor strike rate:

2016: SPS (not looking good), Fisher (tick), Macreadie (bust), Polson (bust), Williamson (not looking good), Kerr (bust)
2017: Dow (not looking good), LOB (not looking good), TDK (promising), Schumacher (bust), Garlett (bust)
2018: Walsh (tick), Stocker (TBD), BSOS (bust), Finbar (bust)
2019: Kemp, Philp and Ramsay (all TBD)
2020: Durdin & Carroll (all TBD)

With where we are at now (and where we should be), our recruiting in the 2016 and 2017 drafts are really hurting.

SPS, Dow and LOB were high draft picks, so definitely it's hurting us. But this likes of Polson, Kerr, Macreadie, Schumacher and Garlett all went very late in the draft - they were all speculative picks and no one really expected anything from them.

 

[RAPPA]

I wish I knew where that graph is on the draft board somewhere showing the number of games played per pick or over a range of picks.
Eg pick 50-60 have an avg games played of 20 with one in 8 having played 100 games.

TBH I think perceptions can change very easily though. If someone like LOB or Dow gets in the side and starts playing well then the spotlight could be more on the individual players then their development.

SPS, Dow and LOB were high draft picks, so definitely it's hurting us. But this likes of Polson, Kerr, Macreadie, Schumacher and Garlett all went very late in the draft - they were all speculative picks and no one really expected anything from them.

Fair points. I guess the frustration stems from us ballsing up player development (which didn't exactly start 5 years ago but has been a constant theme for quite a number of years). Plus I reckon LOB, Dow or SPS would thrive at the right club, which would hurt. With the season looking dim, I'd give them every shot with games.

 

[Ash24]

Fair points. I guess the frustration stems from us ballsing up player development (which didn't exactly start 5 years ago but has been a constant theme for quite a number of years). Plus I reckon LOB, Dow or SPS would thrive at the right club, which would hurt. With the season looking dim, I'd give them every shot with games.

If for whatever reason Fisher/Samo/Dow/LOB go looking for trades wherever at season's end, we should play them to increase their value.

However if we lose this week, all hell will break loose and we MUST play the kids.

IN - Parks, Honey, O'Brien, SPS, Dow, Kennedy, Fisher
OUT - Levi, Betts, Murph, Cottrell, Gibbons, Pitto, E. Curnow

 

[bmaurizio]

It is a disgrace for the club to start the biggest rebuild in its history, then 5 years on go, oh sorry, our development is sh*t...

Absolutely agree it’s disgraceful & unacceptable.
The incompetence is unforgivable, this club has been in limbo for 2 decades.
Fingers crossed, now we have a fresh slate, no debit burden & stigma , 85,000,membership milestone approaching, no more excuses get the job done right.

 

[RAPPA]

If for whatever reason Fisher/Samo/Dow/LOB go looking for trades wherever at season's end, we should play them to increase their value.

However if we lose this week, all hell will break loose and we MUST play the kids.

IN - Parks, Honey, O'Brien, SPS, Dow, Kennedy, Fisher
OUT - Levi, Betts, Murph, Cottrell, Gibbons, Pitto, E. Curnow

I think Cotts will remain as he’s still in the young age bracket. Betts to be replaced by Durdin but gee Betts ha been great - will be a tough call to make. As for Curnow I’m torn on that - I reckon he’ll continue to get a gig not because we have no viable replacement (and he has heart) but also to have him there when Charlie return to the senior team

 

[Koutamightafides]

SPS, Dow and LOB were high draft picks, so definitely it's hurting us. But this likes of Polson, Kerr, Macreadie, Schumacher and Garlett all went very late in the draft - they were all speculative picks and no one really expected anything from them.

Look at Salem top ten pick in 2013 and he has only really come good in the last two years , LOB and d

I think Cotts will remain as he’s still in the young age bracket. Betts to be replaced by Durdin but gee Betts ha been great - will be a tough call to make. As for Curnow I’m torn on that - I reckon he’ll continue to get a gig not because we have no viable replacement (and he has heart) but also to have him there when Charlie return to the senior team

Reckon Stocker will take Ed Curnow spot . But would be good to have Ed and Charlie play together for the rest of the year .

 

[azzablue16]

Take this with a grain of salt but someone I work with, his sister is the McKay's hairdresser and according to the mum Collingwood is coming very hard for Harry.

My neighbours cats girlfriend told me Geelong coming hard for him ,

 

[Jimmyonesix]

You would expect essendon to go hard for both Mackay -- they have the cap and really only need bookend la to round out there side ..I'm more nervous about Mackay than cripps .. I thought his deal would of been done by now .. unless we could bring the brother in we need a mature KPD

 

[Just Kreuzing]

You would expect essendon to go hard for both Mackay -- they have the cap and really only need bookend la to round out there side ..I'm more nervous about Mackay than cripps .. I thought his deal would of been done by now .. unless we could bring the brother in we need a mature KPD

Harry signs with * I will break his shoulder.....

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

Harry signs with * I will break his shoulder.....

i will walk away for sometime and reflect on my life choices

 

[Jeremias]

You would expect essendon to go hard for both Mackay -- they have the cap and really only need bookend la to round out there side ..I'm more nervous about Mackay than cripps .. I thought his deal would of been done by now .. unless we could bring the brother in we need a mature KPD

Essendon need a lot more than a key forward to complete their side.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

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Essendon need a lot more than a key forward to complete their side.

two bookends not just a full forward .. they would have a strong spine .. competitive midfield - few more parts they be pretty decent side ... I don't think Mackay will leave -- all I said was dodo would go hard for both brothers

 

[I bleed Blue]

Harry signs with * I will break his shoulder.....

If Harry wants a trade to essondon Dodo will find out what expensive means.

The Saad trade will seem like chicken feed.

Demand two kings ransoms plus the rest.

Wont happen. We don't let our most valuable player walk to the mortal enemy.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

It's impossible that we got the SPS, Setters, Kennedy, Dow and LOB selections either through trade or draft all wrong. It comes down to our development, which must be shocking.

Why is it impossible?

Recruiting and drafting is not static, it relies on how you prioritize and where in the draft you take the players. No one ever judges a player taken as a second rookie selection in the same way you judge an early first-round pick, for instance, and yet you get plenty of players who are either 'sliders' or 'bolters'. The point being is that all it takes is a bit of wrong-headedness for a club to get sucked in and not see the signs that other clubs are noticing about certain players. In other words, it's not whether you rate the players at all that matters; what matters is which pick you choose to make the call with. It would only take a small difference in how you rank players on your draft board each year for your draft hall to look radically different. Maybe Carlton place more value in the wrong attributes, which I'm guessing might be the case. I think we have also been wasteful when we've acquired players from other clubs. If we are placing too much emphasis on high draft picks, with little backup. and we are getting those wrong then it hits us harder than it otherwise would. So, yes, if it is possible to get one wrong, it's entirely possible to get all of them 'wrong'.

 

[THE_GUN]

Look at Salem top ten pick in 2013 and he has only really come good in the last two years , LOB and d

Think you are under selling Salem a fair bit here , 25 years old played nearly 120 games and averaging 20 touches a game at 74% De
I would say thats a pretty decent start to his career.

 

[Koutamightafides]

Think you are under selling Salem a fair bit here , 25 years old played nearly 120 games and averaging 20 touches a game at 74% De
I would say thats a pretty decent start to his career.

Al I'm saying that he is in his 7 or 8 season and lob and dow are in their 4th , we should stick fat with them , and 20 a game isn't a huge number for where he plays .

 

[THE_GUN]

Al I'm saying that he is in his 7 or 8 season and lob and dow are in their 4th , we should stick fat with them , and 20 a game isn't a huge number for where he plays .

Whilst 20 is not huge that kind of depends on the game style they play, 20 touches a game in say Richmonds game style is considered alot but the doggies its low. Lob & Dow compared to Salem if you go back to when they were the same age with comparisons and salem in his 4th/5th year there is a significant difference in output and performance.

I think both LOB & Down need to get a wriggle on or they will be on the edge of being either traded or delisted end of 2022
mids usually dont get more than 5 years to show they can become best 22

 

[Sector 7G]

Think you are under selling Salem a fair bit here , 25 years old played nearly 120 games and averaging 20 touches a game at 74% De
I would say thats a pretty decent start to his career.

Salem was judged harshly because of the trade that allowed Kelly to go to GWS. Over the last 3 years that trade doesn't look so bad with Kelly stagnating and Salem becoming a AA quality HB

 

[skadoosh]

THE RE-CONTRACTING RACE: Veterans put up hand, Eagles sense deal

AFL.com.au reporters Mitch Cleary, Callum Twomey, Riley Beveridge and Nathan Schmook with all the latest trade news

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THE FUTURE of Carlton defender Sam Petrevski-Seton remains unclear, with the former first-round pick staring at a sixth straight week out of the starting 22 and heading towards a critical period in his contract discussions.

Petrevski-Seton hasn't been named in the senior side since being shifted from half-back to a wing position in a round six loss to Brisbane, coming on as the medical substitute in rounds seven and eight before being dropped entirely for the last three matches.

SPS picked up 19 disposals in the game against the Lions where he played wing -- the first time out of defense for over a year. Next round he had 14 disposals against * with 46% TOG and then 3 disposals the week after with 15% TOG.

Really loving our thought process on player development here.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

THE RE-CONTRACTING RACE: Veterans put up hand, Eagles sense deal

AFL.com.au reporters Mitch Cleary, Callum Twomey, Riley Beveridge and Nathan Schmook with all the latest trade news

www.afl.com.au

SPS picked up 19 disposals in the game against the Lions where he played wing -- the first time out of defense for over a year. Next round he had 14 disposals against * with 46% TOG and then 3 disposals the week after with 15% TOG.

Really loving our thought process on player development here.

I thought he was great early in that brissy game and played on mccluggage late in the game and really kept him honest. Feel like we can use him as a defensive forward like we did with carrazzo. Play as an extra at stoppages if Cripps is being held. Worked a treat against *. It’s like the coaches think he Jason johannisen. He’s SPS and he’s one of the best players in traffic and he’s always been tackle happy but we completely took that out of his game.

 

[SurreyBlue]

THE RE-CONTRACTING RACE: Veterans put up hand, Eagles sense deal

AFL.com.au reporters Mitch Cleary, Callum Twomey, Riley Beveridge and Nathan Schmook with all the latest trade news

www.afl.com.au

SPS picked up 19 disposals in the game against the Lions where he played wing -- the first time out of defense for over a year. Next round he had 14 disposals against * with 46% TOG and then 3 disposals the week after with 15% TOG.

Really loving our thought process on player development here.

in a word - DISGRACEFUL treatment.