List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Supposedly locked in already for 4 years, not going anywhere, odd it hasn't been finalized yet, but assuming dollarydoos related or something similar.

yes I am aware of this speculation and I doubt anything that has happened in the past month would have pushed Cripps across the line. We are an uninited disjointed footy club and perhaps he is starting to realise success is much further away than any of us hoped..

 

[BlueLocke]

If Cripps were to leave via FA, man oh man I feel for Sam Walsh in season 2022. If you weren’t happy with his treatment from De Boer last night, then I’ve got bad news for you…

 

[juzza316]

What a heap of junk list we have at Carlton.....for the first time ever I’m actually embarrassed to say I support this football club


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Agreed, ive held my head as high as possible over the last 20 years but I am more despondent now than I have ever been with the current state of the club

 

[Blue Pride]

If Cripps were to leave via FA, man oh man I feel for Sam Walsh in season 2022. If you weren’t happy with his treatment from De Boer last night, then I’ve got bad news for you…

There’s no doubt that you’d have to spend picks getting seasoned mids.
If Cripps current level is going to be his forever level, then Walsh is going to have to get used to a tag anyway.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Put two good mids in there with Walsh and Cripps and we aren’t far off in terms of the list. Fingers crossed Stocker can continue improving and he might be one of those.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Agreed, ive held my head as high as possible over the last 20 years but I am more despondent now than I have ever been with the current state of the club

Agree, I have been positive even under Bolton’s reign of losses I always seen enough green shoots to stay positive.. Last night was just so pathetic and dispirited. Our midfielders played quite well, yet got absolutely slaughtered.. this is how far away we are from a team we were supposed to be challenging for a top 8 spot..

How can a side with 3 players in consideration for All Australian be so meek and far off it.

How and why it’s gone so wrong, at least we have an external review in place to work through it.. I have faith the exec want to find the answers and will get to the bottom of it all.. but I suspect a lot of us won’t like the answers..

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Put two good mids in there with Walsh and Cripps and we aren’t far off in terms of the list. Fingers crossed Stocker can continue improving and he might be one of those.

I disagree with this.. Bwsides the dogs who has 4 gun mids.. most are made up of 1-2 elite and then A few foot soldiers.. We don’t need 4 elite mids, we just need them putting in the effort and playing to a game plan that works with the intensity required to be a good football side.

 

[jd2010]

Who are our top 10 players that we can build around?

1. Walsh
2. Mckay
3. Weitering
4. Cripps

I really struggle to see who comes next. 3 guys who struggle with consistency

5. Saad
6. Martin
7. Williams

Then guys either well below their best or role players at best

8. Doc
9. Ed
10. Jones

Nobody is developing well enough to mean the latter 3 aren't top 10. Nobody is developing well enough to force consistency out of 5-7th. Theres young talent that comes in but doesn't push into the upper echelons for a range of reasons. This club is very broken. So many problems to fix. A 66 game rebuild after 7 years of list neglect might have been far too ambitious. This is a 10 year reset of a club

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

As much as he has given us, Ed is a real problem.. He is a lock down midfielder or bust.. he isn’t good enough to play any other role and I feel we have been trying to ‘find’ him a role to keep him in the side, but it’s failing miserably to the detriment of the team.

 

[juzza316]

As much as he has given us, Ed is a real problem.. He is a lock down midfielder or bust.. he isn’t good enough to play any other role and I feel we have been trying to ‘find’ him a role to keep him in the side, but it’s failing miserably to the detriment of the team.

Was averaging 26 disposals per game until the Sydney game. last 3 matches averaging 13 and looks terrible after being moved to wherever the hell he is actually playing (HBF?Wing?)

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Was averaging 26 disposals per game until the Sydney game. last 3 matches averaging 13 and looks terrible after being moved to wherever the hell he is actually playing (HBF?Wing?)

yep this exactly right, he has had to be sacrificed in order to give Dow, Setterfield, Kennedy midfield minutes.. however just like Murphy he is too 1 dimensional as a footballer and is giving us nothing in what ever role is trying to play.

Should we revert back to putting him in the midfield, IMO I don’t think so, we need to continue giving the younger guys a go in the guts.. But where does that leave Ed.. is it in the 2s?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I disagree with this.. Bwsides the dogs who has 4 gun mids.. most are made up of 1-2 elite and then A few foot soldiers.. We don’t need 4 elite mids, we just need them putting in the effort and playing to a game plan that works with the intensity required to be a good football side.

Who in the top 10 do we have a better midfield then?
I’d back us against GC, Adelaide, North and that’s about it.

 

[Kruezing]

Agree, I have been positive even under Bolton’s reign of losses I always seen enough green shoots to stay positive.. Last night was just so pathetic and dispirited. Our midfielders played quite well, yet got absolutely slaughtered.. this is how far away we are from a team we were supposed to be challenging for a top 8 spot..

How can a side with 3 players in consideration for All Australian be so meek and far off it.

How and why it’s gone so wrong, at least we have an external review in place to work through it.. I have faith the exec want to find the answers and will get to the bottom of it all.. but I suspect a lot of us won’t like the answers..

It’s because all Australian selection is based on individual performance … not team based …

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Who in the top 10 do we have a better midfield then?
I’d back us against GC, Adelaide, North and that’s about it.

Agree, but it’s not about talent, it’s about system and intensity.. Does anyone really think players like Shane Edwards’s, Kane Lambert at Richmond Harmes, Jordan at Demons, Bailey, Lyons & Robinson at Lions are talented elite A grade players.. They are the foot soldiers that support the main guys of Cotchin, Martin, Oliver & Petracca, Neale, Mccluggage and Zorko.. however these guys play a system of uncompromising pressure that works.. who knows wtf we are trying to do.. but talent isn’t the problem.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

No body grows up through junior footy as a back pocket player and gets drafted.. Platers adapt and find positions that either suit the teams needs or the coach identifies something in the player that they think will make them be good at that role.

sometimes players just need to adapt and learn the role to get a game, most fringe players will play anywhere they are asked just to get a game..

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Agree, but it’s not about talent, it’s about system and intensity.. Does anyone really think players like Shane Edwards’s, Kane Lambert at Richmond Harmes, Jordan at Demons, Bailey, Lyons & Robinson at Lions are talented elite A grade players.. They are the foot soldiers that support the main guys of Cotchin, Martin, Oliver & Petracca, Neale, Mccluggage and Zorko.. however these guys play a system if uncompromising pressure that works.. who knows wtf we are trying to do.. but talent isn’t the problem.

Those guys can still hold thier own, ours can’t. Personally I think we have recruited the wrong types to surround Cripps with and that’s the biggest problem. It’s also why an underwhelming player in Cottrell was given such a long run at it, we are crying out for high intensity gut runners and we just don’t have them.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

its been important we have competed in every game this yr
i believe we are at a similar stage to the Lions before they got Neale....
we need such a deal and we are set

 

[Aphrodite]

I’d look to offload Docherty and Newman. Replace them with two midfielders.
Docherty would have value to a team like Geelong.
If Cripps wants to go I’d let him. I’d try and get Green from GWS as his replacement.
I’d chase Cerra at the right price too.
I’d swap next years first round pick for another this year, then keep doing the same. Demons live in first round debt year to year.

Greene re-signed a 2yr contract extension to end of 2026 just last month.

 

[X-Factor]

Put two good mids in there with Walsh and Cripps and we aren’t far off in terms of the list. Fingers crossed Stocker can continue improving and he might be one of those.

They need to actually play Stocker in the middle instead of down back


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[COBALT BLUE]

They need to actually play Stocker in the middle instead of down back


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He certainly has the size to do that
one powerful unit

 

[Ash24]

Greene re-signed a 2yr contract extension to end of 2026 just last month.

I think BP means Tom Green.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

its been important we have competed in every game this yr
i believe we are at a similar stage to the Lions before they got Neale....
we need such a deal and we are set

No this has just masked some giant problems and given us a false sense that we are not that far away.. The last 3 games have shown this couldn’t be further from the truth

 

[Aphrodite]

I think BP means Tom Green.

Wrong Green/e.

My bad.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

When the co-captains are putting in subpar defensive efforts, how can they demand more from others?

Just got to say that co-captains makes me puke.
It's a one man job. Pick the strongest most extroverted character and he should lead through his actions on the field as well.
Dilemma is Cripps not cutting it.
Docherty not even cutting it to hold his place in the side.
Walsh is too young I feel.
Who else?
Nobody springs to mind. We lack strong characters and sadly this is part of our overall problem.

 

[CarltonBlooz]

Just got to say that co-captains makes me puke.
It's a one man job. Pick the strongest most extroverted character and he should lead through his actions on the field as well.
Dilemma is Cripps not cutting it.
Docherty not even cutting it to hold his place in the side.
Walsh is too young I feel.
Who else?
Nobody springs to mind. We lack strong characters and sadly this is part of our overall problem.

Weiterbot only candidate really, Walsh will be in 3-5 years.