2021 Non-Crows AFL Discussion Part 1: we can have lots of fun!

[Peter Doherty]

There is absolutely no chance whatsoever this will happen

Yep, all clubs will have a few players rotate through. I would just love something out of the box.

Just seems like a perfect chance for us to 'play' an older head without really playing them at the expense of a younger guy.

 

[GROTTO]

Yep, all clubs will have a few players rotate though. I would just love something out of the box.

Just seems like a perfect chance for us to 'play' an older head without really playing them at the expense of a younger guy.

Ideally you want a player with run and carry, not something that is measurable. Non-statistical.

 

[Vader]

Yep, all clubs will have a few players rotate through. I would just love something out of the box.

Just seems like a perfect chance for us to 'play' an older head without really playing them at the expense of a younger guy.

Coaches want the rule to be 21 & under for the concussion sub. Mackay doesn't qualify.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Coaches want the rule to be 21 & under for the concussion sub. Mackay doesn't qualify.

That’s ****ing stupid

 

[Scorpus]

Plenty of AFL players are now in strife

 

[Sanders]

Why don’t players just change sides at half time with multi-ball during time on each quarter

 

[1970crow]

This.

It’s a stupid rule whichever way you look at it. What is the actual point of it? So a team with an injured player is not disadvantaged for the rest of the game? Why don’t we bring in a rule for the team behind on the scoreboard to not be disadvantaged too?

It’s part of the game, for fu**’s sake.

It's created so that in court opposing counsel cannot suggest that doctors felt pressured to not enact concussion protocols due to the performance consequences of going down a rotation. It needs to look like doctors are totally uninhibited when it comes to removing a player from the game. Which begs the question as to why they're opening it up to other game ending injuries, they're defeating their own argument.

 

[1970crow]

McDonald, Campbell and Gulden to debut for the Swans this weekend. Are you allowed to play 3 first year debutants in a game? Watching our team selection I was under the impression you could only debut them one at a time every 10 weeks or so?

Those guys are just at different stages of their development to ours.

 

[1970crow]

3 first year players? Or 3 Recycled 2nd club players? Big difference

HS doesn't understand the difference.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

how many concussion incidents are they expecting this new sub rule to prevent?

 

[hey shorty]

Worrell is fine to play CHB... & looked in good form.

Why wait to debut him?

He's not a KPD

 

[Vader]

That’s ******* stupid

OK... don't shoot the messenger. I'm just repeating what the media is saying, based on interviews with several coaches.

They have 2 reasons for wanting the U21 rule:

• They don't want it to be "gamed" by opposition coaches, bringing an experienced player on in the last quarter when everyone else is exhausted, and turning the tide of the game.
• They see it as a development opportunity for younger players, who would otherwise be playing in the state leagues.

 

[hey shorty]

OK... don't shoot the messenger. I'm just repeating what the media is saying, based on interviews with several coaches.

They have 2 reasons for wanting the U21 rule:

• They don't want it to be "gamed" by opposition coaches, bringing an experienced player on in the last quarter when everyone else is exhausted, and turning the tide of the game.
• They see it as a development opportunity for younger players, who would otherwise be playing in the state leagues.

1 quarter (potentially) a week won't help development much.

 

[Vader]

1 quarter (potentially) a week won't help development much.

It's infinitely better than the 0 quarters they would otherwise be getting.

As I said before... don't shoot the messenger. I'm just repeating what the coaches are saying. If you think you know more than 4-time premiership coach Alastair Clarkson, then good luck to you.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He's not a KPD

Neither is Doedee, but still big enough as a temporary measure.

 

[hey shorty]

It's infinitely better than the 0 quarters they would otherwise be getting.

As I said before... don't shoot the messenger. I'm just repeating what the coaches are saying. If you think you know more than 4-time premiership coach Alastair Clarkson, then good luck to you.

They got rid of the rule because it was a waste of time.

The coaches don't think about development in these situations, it's all about self interests.

 

[GreyCrow]

OK... don't shoot the messenger. I'm just repeating what the media is saying, based on interviews with several coaches.

They have 2 reasons for wanting the U21 rule:

• They don't want it to be "gamed" by opposition coaches, bringing an experienced player on in the last quarter when everyone else is exhausted, and turning the tide of the game.
• They see it as a development opportunity for younger players, who would otherwise be playing in the state leagues.

On point 2. So they admit it's not for health care but managing a rookie type player

As an aside where does Rowell fit in?

 

[GreyCrow]

It's infinitely better than the 0 quarters they would otherwise be getting.

As I said before... don't shoot the messenger. I'm just repeating what the coaches are saying. If you think you know more than 4-time premiership coach Alastair Clarkson, then good luck to you.

I don't know more than Clarkson but I do know why he wants the rule

Straight out of the Kevin Sheedy playbook. Get the extra player as a sub then 'oh well they get picked so get rid of sub and play 23'

 

[hey shorty]

I don't know more than Clarkson but I do know why he wants the rule

Straight out of the Kevin Sheedy playbook. Get the extra player as a sub then 'oh well they get picked so get rid of sub and play 23'

It's fairly obvious I'd have thought

 

[Vader]

On point 2. So they admit it's not for health care but managing a rookie type player

No, you're arguing against a completely different issue. There are two separate issues:

1. Should the AFL introduce a concussion sub?
2. Assuming the AFL does introduce a concussion sub, what are the rules governing how the sub would work?

You're arguing against point #1. The coaches are assuming that the concussion sub is a fait accompli, so they're talking about point #2.

As an aside where does Rowell fit in?

He'll be in our starting 22. The concussion sub rule won't apply to him (unless he gets concussed and needs to be subbed out).

 

[Vader]

I don't know more than Clarkson but I do know why he wants the rule

Straight out of the Kevin Sheedy playbook. Get the extra player as a sub then 'oh well they get picked so get rid of sub and play 23'

Which does beg the question of why the concussion sub is needed. How is losing a player to concussion any different to losing a player to a leg injury? The interchange bench was increased to 4 back in 1998, because coaches wanted an extra player to cover injuries. Why do they need a 5th?

Of course, coaches are always going to want more players...

Personally, I don't see any reason why they need a concussion sub. 4 interchange players should be enough to cover any injuries (concussion or otherwise), particularly given the reduced number of interchanges. However, assuming that the concussion sub will be introduced, I think the U21 rule is an excellent way of making it fair.

 

[Scorpus]

Sounds like the AFL's solution to clubs not exploiting the rule is that club doctors have to make the call.

Which of course, won't be exploited at all. Not at all.

 

[GROTTO]

What if two players from the same team get concussion, during a game?


Peak madness will enter the room soon.

 

[Geoffa32]

I reckon the sub is a perfect role for DMac.

It won't harm a kids development, he is plug and play. And he gets his match payment component of his salary.

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[hey shorty]

I reckon the sub is a perfect role for DMac.

It won't harm a kids development, he is plug and play. And he gets his match payment component of his salary.

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If they don't go with the U21 rule he's absolutely perfect for it.