List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread II - IN: CCJ

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Lore's 2021 Draft Order

Spoiler: Lore's 2022 Future Picks Draft Order

 

[buttox]

SPS wants to go to West Coast. I can't see him being worth a first-rounder so WC's next two picks are 29 and 35. Carlton has 25.

Does 6 & 25 get Cerra done?

Carlton would be lucky to get 35 for sps i reckon.

 

[Le Grille]

I think the big thing is that there will probably require other deals made to acquire currency

 

[7577969923]

It would be disappointing

He is out of contract and determined to get back to Melbourne. He may be willing to risk the PSD and go to one of North or Collingwood. If he was there at pick 1 hard to think we wouldn't take him.

The deal you can get done is better than any you can't.

 

[Le Grille]

He is out of contract and determined to get back to Melbourne. He may be willing to risk the PSD and go to one of North or Collingwood. If he was there at pick 1 hard to think we wouldn't take him.

The deal you can get done is better than any you can't.

Then he doesn’t get to where he wants, that’s the clubs prerogative Carlton would be under pressure to get the deal done now the contract is offered

 

[big_e]

Is that worth a million bucks? I wonder how much every player would willingly sacrifice for that opportunity.

He's also a marketable guy with an eye on a media career, so playing the long game, being a premiership player would help a lot with future earnings.

 

[7577969923]

Then he doesn’t get to where he wants, that’s the clubs prerogative Carlton would be under pressure to get the deal done now the contract is offered

They've only got what they have got to trade. The best they could put together is if, for example, they get pick 35 for SPS and then bundle up 25 and 35 for a late first-round pick (Bulldogs pick 17 or 18).

Would 6 and 18 get it done for the Dockers?

Would the Blues be willing to give up their first two picks plus an established player for Cera?

Can't see Melbourne getting it done at all.

 

[Star]

It would be disappointing

6 & 25 & 29 getting close

Though 29 for SPS is generous.

 

[Le Grille]

Then he doesn’t get to where he wants, that’s the clubs prerogative Carlton would be under pressure to get the deal done now the contract is offered

It’s different with CCJ, we have pick 1 psd so we can do nothing and get him regardless

They've only got what they have got to trade. The best they could put together is if, for example, they get pick 35 for SPS and then bundle up 25 and 35 for a late first-round pick (Bulldogs pick 17 or 18).

Would 6 and 18 get it done for the Dockers?

Would the Blues be willing to give up their first two picks plus an established player for Cera?

Can't see Melbourne getting it done at all.

it might take future pick trades, I don’t know. They might have to jettison some players, it’s on them

 

[Le Grille]

6 & 25 & 29 getting close

Though 29 for SPS is generous.

Very generous

 

[Le Grille]

They've only got what they have got to trade. The best they could put together is if, for example, they get pick 35 for SPS and then bundle up 25 and 35 for a late first-round pick (Bulldogs pick 17 or 18).

Would 6 and 18 get it done for the Dockers?

Would the Blues be willing to give up their first two picks plus an established player for Cera?

Can't see Melbourne getting it done at all.

6 and 18 is getting closer, depends on established player, maybe package that up with the second to another club

 

[buttox]

If Cerra chooses the blues he will get there.
We want him to choose Melbourne.

 

[7577969923]

If Cerra chooses the blues he will get there.
We want him to choose Melbourne.

What's the upside for us?

 

[hilly]

They say clubs don't like to sour relationships, but we really hold the whip hand here. A trade of Robbie for CCJ straight up as saves them losing FA compo.

We don't need to add any more sugar than that or take it to the PSD. If they decide not to take that deal, no worries for us PSD it is.

We're actually doing them a favour by agreeing to trade rather than let Robbie walk via FA. Is it fair overall? Probably not, but none of the club's are in the business of fairness.

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As a standalone deal I think 38 for CCJ is fair, however I'm happy to sweeten it a touch to get it done early and free up the threat of the PSD for another target (assuming we have more than CCJ).

Richmond benefits from Tarrant being a trade as opposed to being a FA signing given they will get compo for Chol. We arguably lose FA compo on Tarrant (not sure if the contract would trigger anything).

What would make it interesting is if both clubs knew what Tarrant's FA compo would be (if anything) prior to anything being lodged. If it was nothing ala Waite then theoretically him signing as a free agent suits both clubs.

 

[buttox]

What's the upside for us?

they have no draft capitol.
the deal is more likely to fall over.
Dees would need to trade 2 players to get it done IMO.
No first round pick this year, next years will be 15-18. Brayshaw and weideman have said they wont play for freo.
Im dreaming of him at pick 1 psd.

 

[7577969923]

As a standalone deal I think 38 for CCJ is fair, however I'm happy to sweeten it a touch to get it done early and free up the threat of the PSD for another target (assuming we have more than CCJ).

Richmond benefits from Tarrant being a trade as opposed to being a FA signing given they will get compo for Chol. We arguably lose FA compo on Tarrant (not sure if the contract would trigger anything).

What would make it interesting is if both clubs knew what Tarrant's FA compo would be (if anything) prior to anything being lodged. If it was nothing ala Waite then theoretically him signing as a free agent suits both clubs.

How about we give them pick 38 for CCJ then they trade pick 38 back to us for Taz?

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

That’s a lot of guessing

You have facts do you? Well share them or stfu.

 

[Fish Sticks]

You have facts do you? Well share them or stfu.

LOL you are the one making baseless assumptions that Jack won’t hand over the captaincy…
Please share your ‘facts’

 

[Le Grille]

You have facts do you? Well share them or stfu.

Noooooo, there is nothing to indicate he wouldn’t step down from the captaincy so don’t spread bullshit

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

I was an advocate for the spoon, part of this was the additional bargaining power of the PSD.

Many howled it down as having NO RELEVANCE.

I get that some wanted nothing to do with the spoon, but you were wrong to say holding pick 1 in the PSD has no be benefit to the club.

Yeah all those posters high and mighty with ...I don't want to finish last....psd means nothing .....are now exactly the same posters with the chest out ...use the PSD Brady - let's stick it up Richmond.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Noooooo, there is nothing to indicate he wouldn’t step down from the captaincy so don’t spread bullshit

Double negatives to make a point - you are guessing like everyone else so stop spreading bullshit yourself.

 

[Le Grille]

Double negatives to make a point - you are guessing like everyone else so stop spreading bullshit yourself.

Ok big man what proof do you have that he would not give the captaincy up if asked.

I find it funny I am supposed to prove something doesn’t exist.

so give me proof and I will STFU

 

[Fish Sticks]

Double negatives to make a point - you are guessing like everyone else so stop spreading bullshit yourself.

Burden of proof…?

 

[ferball]

Is that worth a million bucks? I wonder how much every player would willingly sacrifice for that opportunity.

Chance at a Premiership or an extra Million bucks on top of the couple of Mil you are already getting?

I know what I'd pick. (If you couldn't leverage a GF win into another several million over a lifetime there is something wrong.)

 

[giantroo]

 

[7577969923]

Chance at a Premiership or an extra Million bucks on top of the couple of Mil you are already getting?

I know what I'd pick. (If you couldn't leverage a GF win into another several million over a lifetime there is something wrong.)

I think that's true if you are already on big bucks and a prominent player but there are a hell of a lot of premiership players out there. I doubt the bottom 6 players in a premiership team can leverage it into an extra couple of mil.