List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I don't doubt for a second that Bing can play. It's just that we shouldn't pay overs for him, just because he's Max's brother. How many 200cm+ players can you fit into a fwd line anyway?

Cameron and Hawkins: 196cm & 198cm
Naughton and Bruce: 195cm & 198cm
Dixon and Marshall: 200cm & 198cm
Brown and McDonald: 200cm & 194cm
Daniher and Hipwood: 201cm & 203cm

Although they cross the magical 200cm line, the Kings are more mobile than the majority of that group. So, I’d suggest you can fit 2 x 200cm forwards easily. The game, and the players within it, is changed/changing.

 

[PandaG]

Dogs will no doubt trade that pick.

I think we'll even target their pick if we can get enough to trade up.

Could be our late picks and long for 19…I’m no good with points but something like that..?

 

[Crusty Undies]

The Ben King conundrum fascinates me (which is lucky, as it’ll probably dominate our agenda for the next 12 months at least).

There’s no doubt B King is something special, which means it’ll take something special to secure him. It’ll be the biggest trade St Kilda has been a part of since we farewelled Plugger. I know he’ll be out of contract and he *might* nominate us, but I think it’s still going to be an extraordinarily difficult trade to pull off.

So I’ll ask the question (and I’m genuinely interested to know what everyone’s thoughts are):

What would you prefer we sacrifice in a trade for B King -

- multiple first rounds draft picks
OR
- one of our ‘untradeable’ players (eg - Rowan Marshall)
OR
- the price is too high, thanks but no thanks

For the record, I’m genuinely undecided. I’m desperate for King to come to us, but losing multiple high draft picks is a dangerous game to be playing - you’re mortgaging your future.

Either way, it’s going to be a very, very interesting few months.

Price is too high from either of the options. No way we trade Roma, no way we should give up multiple picks without something else coming back with them.

 

[PandaG]

Moving on, I'm hearing whispers that we are packaging Dunstan & Long for Ollie Wines. Dunstan is a SA boy and the grunt provided from both will make up for the loss of Wines. Hearing many at Port are not happy with his Brownlow speech slagging the club off for not wanting to play for them when they drafted him. Been a bit of bad blood boiling away for a while and it's come to a head. Make of it what you will.

Seriously…??? That is just no chance. But part of me says there has to be some truth for you to run with it George…if we got wines then king next year welllll…all of a sudden things get interesting

 

[George]

Yeah the OP was off the mark.

Ironically we didn’t draft Jack Riewoldt because some thought it would be just because of the name.


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I thought I was gonna get another "i rEcKoN yOu sHoUlD hAvE sAiD tHiS iNsTeAd" type of comment so everyone would like it, that'd be the cool thing to do.

But yes, Ben King is on another planet compared to Raph Clarke and Nick Winmar. If Ben was shit that'd be the only way the comparison could be made.

 

[George]

Seriously…??? That is just no chance. But part of me says there has to be some truth for you to run with it George…if we got wines then king next year welllll…all of a sudden things get interesting

Haha I know one thing, I'm not sharing shit on here this year. Hopefully Damo on trade radio has all the goss

 

[Joffaboy]

Yeah the OP was off the mark.

Ironically we didn’t draft Jack Riewoldt because some thought it would be just because of the name.


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To be fair Jack look only fair until Richmond became a powerhouse.

Remember Junk time Jack.

Also our last namesake, Goddard didn't go so well

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

None.

But it means naught if you have no one to kick it to them.

Our midfield have no issue getting the ball inside 50… they undoubtedly have an issue with hitting someone wearing a RWB jumper at times though. With a fit group available we’re a top 6 midfield IMO. Obviously behind the Dees & Dogs but coming up fast on Geelong & Port’ ageing midfields.

Yes we need to keep adding to the midfield BUT

We probably only get one shot at getting Bing.

Whether that shot is this year or next is yet to play out. One thing is for sure though…we can’t die wondering.


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[Winmar2Lockett]

Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

thing is simple for mine.

If he and Max were both ruck-forwards or forward-rucks then it would be an absolute no-brainer.

Because they're not, we shouldn't do it.

We'd have to have two other 200cm guys in the side playing first and second ruck, and adding them all up it just wouldn't work.

A bit like Paddy & Roma couldn’t work together that so many on here protested?


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[BigMonty]

We could always offer up Max for Ben [emoji13] and of course a future second...as we ways do.

Had a sneaky thought. Would 9 and next year's first and Battle get Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

and GC pick 19 or 22 also with a late pick?







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[PandaG]

I know all the talk is that King isn’t going anywhere until next year? But does anyone think that it might be a bit of smoke?

Surely the Suns have spoken to Ben and been told that he’s leaving at the end of his contract. Plus they already have too many players on their list (currently have 38 contracted plus bringing in Chol. So they need to drop at least four (teams have to draft three this year)

Saints are actively trying to get picks. Anyone think there could be a late push in the trade period to get Bing this year?

Yep
Absolutely

 

[St Neil]

Yeah but they'd say that whether they wanted him or not - if they did want him then it makes sense to say they don't so we delist him and they get him for free

They get him for free anyway. He’s an unrestricted free agent.

 

[snails13]

Unless we get massive unders for Bing (which we won't) I don't see why we need him. When will St Kilda realise that the feel-good story of a family connection does not automatically translate into on-field success? (Raph Clarke, Nicholas Winmar, etc, etc)

You can't clone Max King and you don't want to. It's a lazy way to recruit, IMO.

Max King has a clone and they call him Ben.
Same face
Same height
Same size Boots
Both have 8ft long beds
And soon they will be wearing the same coloured clothes.
And Mumma King will be a very happy woman

 

[PandaG]

Im sure they would be a good match down back

Necessary..??

 

[ScrappyDo]

Moore would be amazing for us. Apparently on 800-850 though.

We could probably afford him and l reckon it's not out of the question.

Moore is facing the prospect of losing his prime years to a rebuild and most players would take premierships over an extra 100-150k.

Collingwood could fix a lot of problems if relieved of his salary.

Having allocated 2x late FRDP for Bing, C-wood would definitely preferre a top 5 pick via FA compo and wouldn't match.
In 2020 the filth took picks 17, 19, 23, 30, 31, 44 and this year they basically get pick 1, so in 3 years they their rebuild intake done and dusted.

Never say never on this one IMHO

 

[bird_man]

I know all the talk is that King isn’t going anywhere until next year? But does anyone think that it might be a bit of smoke?

Surely the Suns have spoken to Ben and been told that he’s leaving at the end of his contract. Plus they already have too many players on their list (currently have 38 contracted plus bringing in Chol. So they need to drop at least four (teams have to draft three this year)

Saints are actively trying to get picks. Anyone think there could be a late push in the trade period to get Bing this year?

Nar, I genuinely believe we aren't planning on him for this year.

Trying to get picks this year makes a lot sense.

We need to add midfield talent to our list before Bing and this year's draft is full of them.

If we can also get a pick before our NGA selections we could end up with a draft haul of 4 top 35 picks which would be great.

We've also got very few 18-21 year olds on our list (less than anyone) so I'd imagine we'd want to fix that.

 

[PandaG]

Our

None.

But it means naught if you have no one to kick it to them.

Our inside 50s were very competitive all year. Not a problem we have

 

[LJC05]

Are the same people who don’t want Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

the same who are still upset Josh Bruce

17

Josh Bruce

Age

33

Ht

198cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

90.4

1star

D

8.9

2star

K

3.5

1star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

90.4

2star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

was moved on?

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Lloyd encouraging the Bombers to make a play for King while conceding that he is very likely to get to the Saints.

That is it in a nutshell.

Why would Essendon pay a huge price for King when they could just build their own? [emoji1745]

 

[Sainter1873]

They get him for free anyway. He’s an unrestricted free agent.

Yeah from my understanding there is no difference (in the rules) between a delisted free agent and an unrestricted free agent. Matter of fact the term ‘unrestricted’ isn’t even used in the rules. It’s just free agent and restricted free agent. But because Dunstan qualifies as a FA, we get compensation if he leaves.

 

[Joffaboy]

Max King IS cloned. Its not just a 'family connection' FFS King B is an exceptional player.
Unbelievable [emoji849][emoji849]

Actually this was too harsh. The poster is relatively new and don't want scare him off.

I think he was wrong about Bing but the opinion is fair enough.
I have been calling for years that we want mids and can understand the reasoning.

Just can't get past a Max King x 2 in the team.

 

[PandaG]

Haha I know one thing, I'm not sharing sh*t on here this year. Hopefully Damo on trade radio has all the goss

I am happy for a PM if you feel like sharing.

 

[PandaG]

For me we have to go this year on Ben.
It kills off the bombers completely because they have no players to trade and no picks in the draft that can match ours.

So let’s get it done with Gold Coast now
Pick 9 and future first and battle for Ben

trade our long for 20ish to dogs and get the academy lads.

Bombers will be left with nothing they can do

 

[George]

I am happy for a PM if you feel like sharing.

No probs mate

 

[pebblesofsand]

So after years and years and years of "always pick the best player available" its now "pick a mid, pick a mid any mid but pick a mid".