Analysis 2021 trade thread

[moncon]

No to Casboult for mine, his knee is shot. Cox would be okay I reckon, but I would prefer that Fullarton and Ballendon sit down with an attitude coach (my preferred term for a sports psychologist) for a few sessions. Maybe watch Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

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’s highlights reel.

 

[dlanod]

Don't fall for it. It's just a propaganda photo for the media.

The ball was actually photoshopped in afterwards. They had to get his pose right first.

 

[lioninthesand]

Have heard otherwise. We’ll see.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[lioninthesand]

I will be blunt.Massive no to Cox, Levi or fort. Levi and Cox are like the products you would find at the Not Quite Right store reduced to clear on a clearance sale. They can beat their drums in the media as much as they want selling their wares. Frankly I don’t care.I want someone who is in the age profile, young enough to develop and grow with this group.

Free up some extra salary cap space and go after someone. Someone Young (pardon the pun) enough who wants to explore his options. The old adage -Pay for what you get. Why should the club go after cheap and nasty when we could potentially do better. I really like CCJ and is my preferred option,Young is my next option.


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WESTERN Bulldogs tall Lewis Young will explore his options at rivals before weighing up whether to accept a deal to remain at Whitten Oval.

Young, 22, will meet with prospective clubs over the coming days as the Dogs await an answer on his future.

The Grand Finalists have had a two-year offer in front of Young for more than a month and want him to be part of their long-term future. However, he will take his time to work through whether stronger opportunities lie elsewhere.

Lewis Young of the Bulldogs in action during training on September 22, 2021. Picture: AFL Photos
Young played nine matches this season, including two finals as a pinch-hit ruckman. But it took his career tally to just 24 games across five seasons after he was drafted in the months following the Dogs' 2016 premiership.

The 202cm South Australian arrived as a key forward but has spent more time in defence at the Dogs. Swingman written all over him,just what the doctor ordered.

Lewis...... is that you?

 

[lioninthesand]

I honestly think Mason Cox

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Mason Cox

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is a pretty good footballer who could have a good couple of years in new colours.

Doesen't do alot, but what he does is usually clean and professional.

Also, he is the the sole big target when he plays for Collingwood, is he not? Mihocek being more of a full forward, Degoey etc? A forward line that doesen't typically get many entries.

Who knows what he might do as a genuine third option.

I am not sure about his ruck work.

I don't expect him to come and tear games apart, but I'd suggest him, Joe and Mcstay would cause headaches for defenders. He would kick goals.

The real issue is though, again.. can say him and Joe Dan cover the ruck spot together for a long period if Oscar goes down?

The answer is proably no, so therefore, I can't help but feel Fort is the most logical option.

 

[Strato]

Article on SEN - Worth a read.I agree with a lot, that is written in this article.Article BY SEB MOTTRAM.Props Seb,love your honest and frank piece.

The club can either keep the status quo or embrace change.Change is far to often seen as being very negative however change can be the spark that lights the fire in a real positive way, taking us to where we should be, a Premiership side.

The AFL club that can't afford to have a quiet trade period.about the Brisbane Lions.
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Brisbane can’t afford to have a quiet AFL trade period and must be active in turning their recent success into a premiership, according to Matthew Lloyd.

The Lions had a strong season and climbed into the top four by the barest of margins in Round 23, only to go out in straight sets against both eventual Grand Finalists Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs.



It’s a familiar tale for Chris Fagan’s men, who have earned the right to a double chance in the last three years but won just one final in that time.

Few clubs can maintain momentum at the top of the ladder for sustained periods, and therefore the 2022 campaign shapes as an important one for the Lions to make good on this successful run.

When asked which club he’d be disappointed in if they did little during the trade period, Lloyd named the Lions as the team that can’t afford to sit on their laurels.

“It’s Brisbane for me,” he told AFL Trade Radio’s The Early Trade.

“Brisbane to me are a club that’s knocking on the door all the time, they’ve blown finals and they should have been in a Grand Final by now.

“They had it all for them at the Gabba last year, failed again in this year’s finals series, belted by Melbourne and beaten by the Western Bulldogs when it was all there for them.”

The Lions missed tall forward Eric Hipwood during the finals after he went down with an ACL injury late in the season, while fellow key target Dan McStay (concussion) also missed the club’s one-point semi-final loss.

Despite those injuries and more, Lloyd isn’t giving the Lions an excuse for their disappointing end to the season.

“They had their injuries but they were also badly exposed through the midfield, they had to bring in Jack Payne so it says to me their depth is an issue in the finals series,” he said.

“There is talk of Mason Cox and Levi Casboult, so it shows they are well aware of their issues and concerns with Hipwood gone for 12 months.

“They got found out through the midfield, they’re seen as a good midfield but they were short against Melbourne.”

It means the Lions have multiple options on the areas to beef up, but either way next year is crucial.

“I’m fascinated what area they identify; it looks like it’s going to be their forward line just to support Daniher for a period,” Lloyd said.

“But next year has to be their year I think.”

However, Brisbane can at least claim one win, after convincing Brownlow Medallist Lachie Neale to stay at the club despite the midfielder assessing his options to return to Fremantle.

Lloyd's statement is spot on in relation to Brisbane. I could not have said it better. We have many concerns to fix to take the ultimate step but to do little during the Trade Period is not going to fix anything. Putting cheap Band Aids on our issues is stupid. All in All, the Club has poorly managed the cap and it is disappointing. I think Melbourne will win next years premiership already so we need to keep building otherwise our chance will diminish.

 

[BRAB]

Lloyd's statement is spot on in relation to Brisbane. I could not have said it better. We have many concerns to fix to take the ultimate step but to do little during the Trade Period is not going to fix anything. Putting cheap Band Aids on our issues is stupid. All in All, the Club has poorly managed the cap and it is disappointing. I think Melbourne will win next years premiership already so we need to keep building otherwise our chance will diminish.

We’re in this position now though, so how do you suggest we get out of it?

Short of cheating the cap not sure there‘s much we can do to be active this trade period.

 

[Dalions]

Lloyd's statement is spot on in relation to Brisbane. I could not have said it better. We have many concerns to fix to take the ultimate step but to do little during the Trade Period is not going to fix anything. Putting cheap Band Aids on our issues is stupid. All in All, the Club has poorly managed the cap and it is disappointing. I think Melbourne will win next years premiership already so we need to keep building otherwise our chance will diminish.

Lloydy is always spot on with his assessment of teams.

 

[T Rick]

Lloyd's statement is spot on in relation to Brisbane. I could not have said it better. We have many concerns to fix to take the ultimate step but to do little during the Trade Period is not going to fix anything. Putting cheap Band Aids on our issues is stupid. All in All, the Club has poorly managed the cap and it is disappointing. I think Melbourne will win next years premiership already so we need to keep building otherwise our chance will diminish.

I don't think the Club has "poorly" managed the Cap - quite the contrary, we have completely stemmed the exodus of high end talent. We will have a significant exodus of uncontracted players who are not best 22 next year and will be well placed in 12 months time.

 

[blueiris]

I don't think the Club has "poorly" managed the Cap - quite the contrary, we have completely stemmed the exodus of high end talent. We will have a significant exodus of uncontracted players who are not best 22 next year and will be well placed in 12 months time.

The free agents that are available next year are so much better than what were available this season we should have a fair bit of cash available too

 

[mattsmob]

The free agents that are available next year are so much better than what were available this season we should have a fair bit of cash available too

Unless a big name leaves us I don’t think we’ll have much more cash than this year.

 

[Dalions]

I don't think the Club has "poorly" managed the Cap - quite the contrary, we have completely stemmed the exodus of high end talent. We will have a significant exodus of uncontracted players who are not best 22 next year and will be well placed in 12 months time.

The Lions were one of only a few clubs that didn’t make the players take a pay cut this year so will be one of only a few clubs that will not need to pay back that difference over the next couple of years.
The clubs cap may be a bit tight now but should be a bit less restrictive over the next couple. Other clubs will be feeling the pinch shortly. A lot of those clubs are already tight this year which is why there won’t be a lot of player movement this year. Especially the big names.

 

[Warwick]

“They had to bring in Jack Payne so it says to me their depth is an issue in the finals series”.

What does this mean??

He thinks Payne is a last option type?

 

[Tom14]

We’re in this position now though, so how do you suggest we get out of it?

Short of cheating the cap not sure there‘s much we can do to be active this trade period.

Nah let's do a collingwood and torpedo our cap for an unspecified tall who probably has a half-season run in the team.

 

[irel]

I will be blunt.Massive no to Cox, Levi or fort. Levi and Cox are like the products you would find at the Not Quite Right store reduced to clear on a clearance sale.

You speak as if your opinion is a fact. Well short of me bursting your bluster the fact is we have not done too badly rummaging through the "Not Quite Right Reduced to Clear Clearance Sale" bin.

Of the current best 22 who played a significant role in the rise of our club:

Marcus Adams
Lincoln McCarthy
Nakia Cockatoo
Jarryd Lyons
Callum Ah Chee
Grant Burchall
... and one can argue Big O was picked up from the unwanted ready to throw in the dumpster bin. The only one that may be put back in the bargain bin is CEY. That's a pretty good record, so speaks volume of the strategy used by the club to build a successful team.

So welcome to the club, Cox, Casboult or Fort.

 

[Mighty Lions]

I wonder if we could consider bringing Jarrod Cameron over and offer him a VFL contract for 2022?
See how he goes and whether he is worth bringing on for 2023.

Not even being considered.

 

[blueiris]

Unless a big name leaves us I don’t think we’ll have much more cash than this year.

We have Witherden Robinson CEY and possibly Lester off our books frees up quite a bit

 

[Tom14]

I will be blunt.Massive no to Cox, Levi or fort. Levi and Cox are like the products you would find at the Not Quite Right store reduced to clear on a clearance sale. They can beat their drums in the media as much as they want selling their wares. Frankly I don’t care.I want someone who is in the age profile, young enough to develop and grow with this group.

Free up some extra salary cap space and go after someone. Someone Young (pardon the pun) enough who wants to explore his options. The old adage -Pay for what you get. Why should the club go after cheap and nasty when we could potentially do better. I really like CCJ and is my preferred option,Young is my next option.


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WESTERN Bulldogs tall Lewis Young will explore his options at rivals before weighing up whether to accept a deal to remain at Whitten Oval.

Young, 22, will meet with prospective clubs over the coming days as the Dogs await an answer on his future.

The Grand Finalists have had a two-year offer in front of Young for more than a month and want him to be part of their long-term future. However, he will take his time to work through whether stronger opportunities lie elsewhere.

Lewis Young of the Bulldogs in action during training on September 22, 2021. Picture: AFL Photos
Young played nine matches this season, including two finals as a pinch-hit ruckman. But it took his career tally to just 24 games across five seasons after he was drafted in the months following the Dogs' 2016 premiership.

The 202cm South Australian arrived as a key forward but has spent more time in defence at the Dogs. Swingman written all over him,just what the doctor ordered.

He's not very good.

 

[Football Pope]

Have heard otherwise. We’ll see.

Same...

 

[irel]

We have Witherden Robinson CEY and possibly Lester off our books frees up quite a bit

Not sure even if combined that would allow us to target anyone of note. Witho's salary would be reduced anyhow, and the other two would be on bellow AFL average anyhow. Also list spots would need to be filled with minimum contracts so that would eat up a bit.

 

[Football Pope]

Not even being considered.

Dunno about that...I'd say there would be some consideration if our past draft/trade selections under Fages are anything to go by, we are very much into setting up a supportive environment around our players (best mates & family.)

 

[Warwick]

We have Witherden Robinson CEY and possibly Lester off our books frees up quite a bit

Nah, chump change there. Losing those contacts would hardly change a thing.

People have to remember that re-signing or upgrading younger players to larger contracts cost a hell of a lot more than losing these fringe contracts.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Lloydy is always spot on with his assessment of teams.

Your so right. I've watched Lloyd's reviews all year on a Monday or when ever they review the round. The Lions often get a quick mention, sometimes none, and more often it's about the victorian team we played. I think if you asked Lloyd which team he knew the least about he would say the Lions. (he always talks about the King boys so has an interest in the Suns). His view of Payne being brought in, well the kid doesn't play as a forward, yep he was going to bring the ball to ground and he can take a pack mark but he was injured early before we even got to see how he might go. Going into next year, or later next year with McStay, Rayner, Hipwood and a new or developing ruck/forward our centre half forward line will be quite different from the one that played in the finals. i think a fully fit forward line is good enough.

Our midfield defence and especially our consistency in tackling week to week is the real issue and with Zorko, Neale, Lyons who may become a little more consistent in defensive pressure, we cant really argue we will improve with young player development. How do we stop the 3rd qtr surge of Melbourne? when the inevitable change in momentum comes in matches we need to be able to flick the defensive switch for 10 or so minutes. as it is now our midfield can be training cones for periods.

 

[Section 5]

A little more from AFL site today on the Fort interest from the Lions
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GEELONG'S thin ruck stocks could take another hit with Brisbane one of the clubs coming for Darcy Fort

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Darcy Fort

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3.6

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.

The 26-year-old Fort is considering his options after failing to break through for a game this season and playing only eight matches since making his debut in 2019.

Fort had issues with his right knee throughout the pre-season but even after returning to fitness the Cats preferred to play the versatile Rhys Stanley

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Rhys Stanley

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35

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200cm

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102kg

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13.6

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3.4

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27.6

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12.0

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4.5

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5.0

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21.5

5star

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11.8

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5.4

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6.4

4star

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3.0

5star

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33.0

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, Mark Blicavs

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Mark Blicavs

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35

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198cm

Wt

101kg

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14.5

4star

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6.6

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7.9

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4.1

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4.2

5star

MG

114.1

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11.1

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7.1

3star

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4.0

3star

M

3.9

4star

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1.9

3star

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114.1

2star

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8.6

3star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

and Esava Ratugolea

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Esava Ratugolea

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27

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197cm

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108kg

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8.6

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4.8

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131.6

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4.3

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3.9

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2.1

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2.5

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109.0

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9.2

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5.0

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4.2

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4.0

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2.2

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MG

133.8

3star

in the ruck.

"Darcy, we're looking at opportunities for him. He's contracted so if Geelong say no, then they say no,” player manager and former Essendon star Scott Lucas

Scott Lucas

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48

Ht

192cm

Wt

98kg

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Fwd

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15.5

4star

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12.4

5star

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3.1

3star

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6.0

5star

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1.9

4star

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1.9

5star

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17.2

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12.4

5star

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4.8

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6.6

5star

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0.6

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G

4.4

5star

told Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio.

"But if a club are open to a discussion elsewhere and it can work for both parties then we're always looking to explore."

When asked whether Brisbane might be a realistic option for Fort, his manager Lucas said, "There has been some interest".

"Rhys Stanley

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Rhys Stanley

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35

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200cm

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102kg

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13.6

3star

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7.2

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6.4

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3.4

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27.6

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12.0

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5.0

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21.5

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11.8

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3.0

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33.0

5star

has signed an extension and we look at that pragmatically. Clearly they're pleased with what Rhys is doing," Lucas added.

"Darcy didn't play a game this year for Geelong, so therefore you do have a look around. There is still a fair bit of work to do but we're hopeful."

 

[mattsmob]

We have Witherden Robinson CEY and possibly Lester off our books frees up quite a bit

Yeah alright I forgot about Witherden’s money, Robbo and Lester would be close to the minimum and CEY money has probably already gone to our young guys that have extended.