Analysis 2021 trade thread

[Berry Picker]

I know it won't happen, but I'd be up for trading out our two first rounders + for Grundy, if Collingwood pays some his contract.

Collingwood is still in salary cap trouble apparently, could help out both of us.

 

[Elixuh]

I know it won't happen, but I'd be up for trading out our two first rounders + for Grundy, if Collingwood pays some his contract.

Collingwood is still in salary cap trouble apparently, could help out both of us.

Doubt that would ever work. I don't know how his contract is structured but $7m over 7 years...Collingwood would have to pay a large chunk to make it workable for us I would of thought.

 

[Section 5]

More Fort information i was unaware of
link to full article below
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Darcy Fort

32

Darcy Fort

Age

32

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

CL

2.9

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

CL

3.6

4star

HO

21.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

CL

2.2

4star

HO

15.6

5star

is officially the 2021 Geelong VFL Best & Fairest winner, polling 102 votes from all nine of Geelong’s VFL games for the 2021 season.

Fort had a fantastic year as one of the competition’s premiere rucks, averaging 18.8 disposals, 20 hitouts and 5.6 clearances per game.

His combination of outstanding ruck-work and strong contested marking up forward showcased just how skilled he is through the contest and in the air.

Fort Brings Home The Geelong VFL Best & Fairest

Darcy Fort is Geelong's 2021 VFL best and fairest winner.

www.geelongcats.com.au

 

[JasRulz63]

A little more from AFL site today on the Fort interest from the Lions
...

GEELONG'S thin ruck stocks could take another hit with Brisbane one of the clubs coming for Darcy Fort.

The 26-year-old Fort is considering his options after failing to break through for a game this season and playing only eight matches since making his debut in 2019.

Fort had issues with his right knee throughout the pre-season but even after returning to fitness the Cats preferred to play the versatile Rhys Stanley, Mark Blicavs and Esava Ratugolea in the ruck.

"Darcy, we're looking at opportunities for him. He's contracted so if Geelong say no, then they say no,” player manager and former Essendon star Scott Lucas told Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio.

"But if a club are open to a discussion elsewhere and it can work for both parties then we're always looking to explore."

When asked whether Brisbane might be a realistic option for Fort, his manager Lucas said, "There has been some interest".

"Rhys Stanley has signed an extension and we look at that pragmatically. Clearly they're pleased with what Rhys is doing," Lucas added.

"Darcy didn't play a game this year for Geelong, so therefore you do have a look around. There is still a fair bit of work to do but we're hopeful."

Given his motivation to leave is to look for more opportunity, I wonder if we have a larger role in mind for him than reserve ruckman that only comes in if Oscar gets injured.

 

[Warwick]

He is also 28, not 26.

 

[Section 5]

Darcy Fort

32

Darcy Fort

Age

32

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

CL

2.9

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

CL

3.6

4star

HO

21.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

CL

2.2

4star

HO

15.6

5star

season 2021

Game	Team	Opposition	Year	Round	Number	Position	Kicks	Handballs	Disposals	Marks	Hitouts	Tackles	Scoreboard	Fantasy
1	Geelong VFL	North Melbourne VFL	2021	R1	28	C	8	10	18	0	17	0	0.00	61
2	Geelong VFL	Sydney Swans	2021	R3	28	C	10	7	17	1	23	3	0.00	79
3	Geelong VFL	Northern Bullants	2021	R4	28	CHF	14	14	28	8	25	1	1.06	124
4	Geelong VFL	Casey Demons	2021	R5	28	WR	12	4	16	5	19	6	1.06	107
5	Geelong VFL	Coburg Lions	2021	R6	28	HFFL	14	10	24	8	17	1	1.28	115
6	Geelong VFL	Brisbane Lions	2021	R11	28	HFFL	6	10	16	3	19	0	2.012	79
7	Geelong VFL	Essendon VFL	2021	R12	28	WL	13	9	22	5	22	3	0.00	101
8	Geelong VFL	Williamstown	2021	R13	28	WR	4	7	11	0	32	3	0.00	68
8							81	71	152	30	174	17	5.232	734

 

[Section 5]

He is also 28, not 26.

Correct he is 29 in August 2022. Others linked to Lions
Cox is 31 in March 2022
Casboult is 32 in March 2022

 

[Warwick]

Darcy Fort season 2021

Game	Team	Opposition	Year	Round	Number	Position	Kicks	Handballs	Disposals	Marks	Hitouts	Tackles	Scoreboard	Fantasy
1	Geelong VFL	North Melbourne VFL	2021	R1	28	C	8	10	18	0	17	0	0.00	61
2	Geelong VFL	Sydney Swans	2021	R3	28	C	10	7	17	1	23	3	0.00	79
3	Geelong VFL	Northern Bullants	2021	R4	28	CHF	14	14	28	8	25	1	1.06	124
4	Geelong VFL	Casey Demons	2021	R5	28	WR	12	4	16	5	19	6	1.06	107
5	Geelong VFL	Coburg Lions	2021	R6	28	HFFL	14	10	24	8	17	1	1.28	115
6	Geelong VFL	Brisbane Lions	2021	R11	28	HFFL	6	10	16	3	19	0	2.012	79
7	Geelong VFL	Essendon VFL	2021	R12	28	WL	13	9	22	5	22	3	0.00	101
8	Geelong VFL	Williamstown	2021	R13	28	WR	4	7	11	0	32	3	0.00	68
8							81	71	152	30	174	17	5.232	734

What are with some of those position codes??

He played as a wide receiver for a few games.

 

[mattsmob]

Given his motivation to leave is to look for more opportunity, I wonder if we have a larger role in mind for him than reserve ruckman that only comes in if Oscar gets injured.

Agreed, I struggle to see a role for him once Hipwood is back but until that point he and Fullarton would be fighting it out for that last forward/ruck spot.

 

[Section 5]

Given his motivation to leave is to look for more opportunity, I wonder if we have a larger role in mind for him than reserve ruckman that only comes in if Oscar gets injured.

I can see Fagan going Fort/Oscar sharing duties
Depending who coaches think can get back in defense better
Cox & Levi would only be F/R i imagine

What are with some of those position codes??

He played as a wide receiver for a few games.

Have no idea that is the only place i could find some VFL stats that you could search for a player
EDIT: WR i imagine is -Wing Right. but who know who puts the position in.
HFFL- Half forward flank left

 

[jackess]

Fort is clearly the best option out of him, Cox and Casboult.

We need a backup ruck moreso than a part time forward, part time ruck.

He’s also a different type of ruck to Oscar. They can split their time rucking and forward.

More than happy to give a third rounder for him.

 

[JasRulz63]

What are with some of those position codes??

He played as a wide receiver for a few games.

Think it's the side of the ground they were named on (Left and Right).

 

[cotter101]

“They had to bring in Jack Payne so it says to me their depth is an issue in the finals series”.

What does this mean??

He thinks Payne is a last option type?

He was talking about injuries to Hipwood and McStay and bringing in Payne as the replacement.

While I have wanted to see Payne play forward for some time now, Do you really think we would bring in key defender to play his first game as a key forward in a semi final if we had any other option?

 

[BangyBangy]

Some of the crap that gets dished out by Vic journos is incredible.

We should have played in a grand final by now, we've blown finals, could also be spun as boy they've come on in leaps & bounds & overperformed since winning the wooden spoon in 2017.

I guess Lloyd knows a bit about blowing finals though.

The bit that made me chuckle is that it has to be 2022 for the Lions. Give me a spell you plonker.

I actually think 2021 was our best year in recent times given our trying circumstances with injury. Improvement driven by the development of some of our younger players.

 

[lioninthesand]

Lloyd's statement is spot on in relation to Brisbane. I could not have said it better. We have many concerns to fix to take the ultimate step but to do little during the Trade Period is not going to fix anything. Putting cheap Band Aids on our issues is stupid. All in All, the Club has poorly managed the cap and it is disappointing. I think Melbourne will win next years premiership already so we need to keep building otherwise our chance will diminish.

What about the improvement is Starc, Bailey, Oscar, Rayner, Clugg, Kiddy etc? We are young so internal improvement is a massive factor.

Also - Melbourne had no injuries, they weren't hunted, their bottom 6 players played out of the skin and they got hot. There is no guarantee they back it up - they will face far more adversity next year.

It sounds like you have copied and paste this year and said 'the same will occur'.

The reason we are looking at a cheap tall is pretty obvious and makes sense. All good teams patch year to year soloutions.

I'd love for us to be active in trade period, but as discussed, we are commited to re-singing a boatload of young stars over the next 2 years so we can't do much in trade period.

A cheap back up for Oscar, 2 first rounders, Starc, Rayner, Joyce, Bailey etc more midfield time and improvement from within is going to be our approach unless there is a trade shock, which is unlikely.

 

[jjami15]

What about the improvement is Starc, Bailey, Oscar, Rayner, Clugg, Kiddy etc? We are young so internal improvement is a massive factor.

Also - Melbourne had no injuries, they weren't hunted, their bottom 6 players played out of the skin and they got hot. There is no guarantee they back it up - they will face far more adversity next year.

It sounds like you have copied and paste this year and said 'the same will occur'.

The reason we are looking at a cheap tall is pretty obvious and makes sense. All good teams patch year to year soloutions.

I'd love for us to be active in trade period, but as discussed, we are commited to re-singing a boatload of young stars over the next 2 years so we can't do much in trade period.

A cheap back up for Oscar, 2 first rounders, Starc, Rayner, Joyce, Bailey etc more midfield time and improvement from within is going to be our approach unless there is a trade shock, which is unlikely.

I believe Bailey is on the precipice of becoming an A grader. The jizzfest from the medjia this year was a bit sickening as you could see a lot of room for improvement for Bailey as he still made a number of mistakes which came purely down to ‘above the shoulders’. Was pleasantly surprised by Kiddy down back and you would have to think that keeping him there and teaching his game will only improve. Hopefully Clug goes more inside as he is wasted on the wing. I know Fagan has stated about moving Starc into the middle and I don’t mind adding more depth and strings to his bow but I honestly see an AA defender there in coming years. Plenty of room for improvement in our list and that includes our mature players as well.

 

[twhowler]

How does Fort go as a forward? I have watched a few clips and he looks okay, reasonably nimble for his size.

Wondering if we can mix Oscar and Fort Ruck / Forward. Maybe Oscar plays a bit more forward than this year.

Daniher and McStay told to roam more up the ground. Fort / Oscar to stay deep and just not get outmarked, get Charlie / Linc / Ah Chee etc buzzing around their feet.

Perhaps I am overstating the ability of Fort given he didn't get a game for the cats.

I still would be happy with Lester as the third forward with Rayner floating through. McStay as second ruck.

 

[lioninthesand]

I believe Bailey is on the precipice of becoming an A grader. The jizzfest from the medjia this year was a bit sickening as you could see a lot of room for improvement for Bailey as he still made a number of mistakes which came purely down to ‘above the shoulders’. Was pleasantly surprised by Kiddy down back and you would have to think that keeping him there and teaching his game will only improve. Hopefully Clug goes more inside as he is wasted on the wing. I know Fagan has stated about moving Starc into the middle and I don’t mind adding more depth and strings to his bow but I honestly see an AA defender there in coming years. Plenty of room for improvement in our list and that includes our mature players as well.

Yeah I was honestly frustrated with Bailey alot of this year. It's scary to think some already had him fringe AA squad this year - he is at about 25% of his potential.

There are about 9 players in our top 25 that I expect an improvement leap from, I am content heading into this year with the list we have.

My only 2 wishes is a bigger bodied, dynamic mid (won't happen) and a back up for Oscar.

 

[mattsmob]

How does Fort go as a forward? I have watched a few clips and he looks okay, reasonably nimble for his size.

Wondering if we can mix Oscar and Fort Ruck / Forward. Maybe Oscar plays a bit more forward than this year.

Daniher and McStay told to roam more up the ground. Fort / Oscar to stay deep and just not get outmarked, get Charlie / Linc / Ah Chee etc buzzing around their feet.

Perhaps I am overstating the ability of Fort given he didn't get a game for the cats.

I still would be happy with Lester as the third forward with Rayner floating through. McStay as second ruck.

Honestly I haven't watched much of him this year but when he did get a few games I thought he was more a forward than a ruck. Certainly think he'll offer more up forward than the other mature agers we've been linked with.

 

[mattsmob]

My only 2 wishes is a bigger bodied, dynamic mid (won't happen) and a back up for Oscar.

Our best bet to find the mid is through the draft, I'm also interested to see if we've got any plans to use Cockatoo more as a mid next season with another preseason under his belt.

 

[Tom14]

Worth noting in relation to Casboult - Vic government has just mandated vaccination for all 'authorised workers,' which includes professional athletes. I cannot imagine that this won't extend to athletes from other states flying in and out of Vic.

Victorian govt mandates all pro athletes receive Covid vaccine within a fortnight

Victorian govt mandates athletes receive vaccine within a fortnight

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[T Rick]

Unless a big name leaves us I don’t think we’ll have much more cash than this year.

That might depend on how existing contracts have been front loaded or otherwise...

 

[mattsmob]

That might depend on how existing contracts have been front loaded or otherwise...

Could do, however I feel like any money freed up from front ended deals just gets moved on to other extensions, for example I’d imagine the money being saved from Lachie’s front ended deal has already been allocated to the young guys extentsions. All guesswork from me though, just how I’d assume it works.

 

[Warwick]

Could do, however I feel like any money freed up from front ended deals just gets moved on to other extensions, for example I’d imagine the money being saved from Lachie’s front ended deal has already been allocated to the young guys extentsions. All guesswork from me though, just how I’d assume it works.

Of course.

Just because you delist / retire three players on $300k does not mean you have $900k/yr to spend on a superstar.

All contracts, front-ending, back-ending, extensions etc would be worked out with further planning and contingencies considered.

 

[Dalions]

Of course.

Just because you delist / retire three players on $300k does not mean you have $900k/yr to spend on a superstar.

All contracts, front-ending, back-ending, extensions etc would be worked out with further planning and contingencies considered.

Just like Birchalls retirement this year who would have been on decent coin I would presume.
Doesn’t appear to have opened up much space for us next year.