Analysis 2021 trade thread

[briztoon]

legit edited that post like thirty seconds after posting. How did you reply to it before the edit?

No idea. It’s happened to me as well, where I’m like “wtf” how did you reply so fast.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Seems the only way to move up the draft or get another top 20 pick is to trade out our 2022 first. Don't see the club doing that so looks like 14 and 18 will be it. Still a pretty good draft hand in this draft

 

[mattsmob]

As I’ve mentioned before, Collingwood doesn’t have unlimited list spots available to take 5 or 6 picks to the draft. At this stage I believe they have 4 available list spots, so can only take 4 picks to the draft, so they need to be able to match any bid with 4 picks only. (This could change if they delist players and rookie draft them).

Just on this, if they only take 4 picks to the draft can they live trade more in? Or will any excess picks they trade in just get removed?

 

[briztoon]

Just on this, if they only take 4 picks to the draft can they live trade more in? Or will any excess picks they trade in just get removed?

Ok, yes they can live trade in picks. But they lose later picks.

So Collingwood take 4 picks to the draft. They match the bid on Daicos, so their highest pick moves up the order to where the bid was made, and their other 3 picks move to the end of the draft, giving them the last 3 picks in the draft (until the next team uses multiple picks to match a bid).

If Collingwood trade in a new pick at the beginning of the second round, they lose their last pick, so now only have two picks at the end of the draft (with maybe 2 or 3 bulldogs picks behind them now).

 

[David C]

The best part about this time of year is that all the potatoes that are put up for trade all year by hopeful / delusional fans are delisted for nothing.

Speaking of which I see Josh Thomas has finally been delisted/retired from Collingwood's list. Pies fans have been trying to have him traded to QLD for years.

 

[BRAB]

Speaking of which I see Josh Thomas has finally been delisted/retired from Collingwood's list. Pies fans have been trying to have him traded to QLD for years.

It's finally time to being Keefe and Thomas home.

 

[Scubaveg]

Yeah I heard that as well but where is the money coming from next season that isn’t here this season?

CEY will be gone for starters


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[TBOW]

It all depends on how many picks they are able to take to the draft.

If they can take 5 picks to the draft, then it’s doable for both parties.

We could trade them pick 41 and next year’s first round pick, and get back 23, a future second and future third round pick.

It will make it hard to find enough points to match the Ashcroft bid next year. It would leave us ~600 points short of matching a bid at pick 2.

I think the dogs would happily do a deal like that, but if 23 plus points is the best return you can get on your future first then you are probably better off holding it until next year.
So much water to go under the bridge in these scenarios - you guys could bomb, Ashcroft could bomb or get injured - it just seems to risky.

I'm sure Collingwood wish they held off future trading their first last year.

 

[mattsmob]

Pick swap: pick 54 for Pt Adelaide's future 3rd via GWS.
A pick we weren't going to use for points next year seems like a fine deal for me, might indicate it's going to be tough trying to move our pick 41 up the board at this stage though.

 

[mpal6]

Pick swap: pick 54 for Pt Adelaide's future 3rd via GWS.
A pick we weren't going to use for points next year seems like a fine deal for me, might indicate it's going to be tough trying to move our pick 41 up the board at this stage though.

And we are back in future 3rd round again which we had to trade for Fort earlier.

 

[jackess]

So we traded 50 and 54 for Fort and 41 and likely a small pick upgrade next year

 

[JasRulz63]

I was concerned we'd be left with 54 and 60 and nothing to gain from them, so I'm glad we were able to get something for next year.

 

[briztoon]

I was concerned we'd be left with 54 and 60 and nothing to gain from them, so I'm glad we were able to get something for next year.

Me too.

So GWS now have enough points to match a mid second round bid on their academy kid.

 

[Scubaveg]

No idea where to put this as no preseason thread yet.

But Oscar already back at it. Running laps, doing sprint work and agility work.


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[lioninthesand]

No idea where to put this as no preseason thread yet.

But Oscar already back at it. Running laps, doing sprint work and agility work.


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I am happy to see this across the whole club. I said multiple times this year that I think we had an meh off season last year and it showed, our conditioning was average. I think it was mainly due to COVID and the short break but still - I hoped to see ‘extras’ again this year. A couple of years ago the guys were getting together in the park to play scratch matches and do training session on their own accord, if people recall?

I am massive on ‘extras’ in pro sports- I think it is what separates the best from the rest. It’s not enough of a thing in the AFL.

Forwards used to get hundreds of shots on goal in their own time, they can’t now because of sports science.

Kobe Bryant would hire a highschool gym or facility in most cities and get up shots on his day off when on the road. He also made sure he was always last in the gym. So if someone else stayed back, he would stay back with them. He is an extreme example of coarse.

I’m not saying they ‘should’ or it’s bad if they don’t, I know their is a huge focus on ‘down time’ and ‘golf’ these days but they only train like 2 hours a week - it’s hardly long enough to fully excel in your field.

I will likely get shot down for this haha but I do look at a guy like J Berry and think - imagine if he put half of the the 5 hours a week he puts into golf, into close hands work, 1 hour a week with a running coach and extra skills sessions.

Anyway, love seeing extras - it’ll be the difference.

 

[jackess]

I am happy to see this across the whole club. I said multiple times this year that I think we had an meh off season last year and it showed, our conditioning was average. I think it was mainly due to COVID and the short break but still - I hoped to see ‘extras’ again this year. A couple of years ago the guys were getting together in the park to play scratch matches and do training session on their own accord, if people recall?

I am massive on ‘extras’ in pro sports- I think it is what separates the best from the rest. It’s not enough of a thing in the AFL.

Forwards used to get hundreds of shots on goal in their own time, they can’t now because of sports science.

Kobe Bryant would hire a highschool gym or facility in most cities and get up shots on his day off when on the road. He also made sure he was always last in the gym. So if someone else stayed back, he would stay back with them. He is an extreme example of coarse.

I’m not saying they ‘should’ or it’s bad if they don’t, I know their is a huge focus on ‘down time’ and ‘golf’ these days but they only train like 2 hours a week - it’s hardly long enough to fully excel in your field.

I will likely get shot down for this haha but I do look at a guy like J Berry and think - imagine if he put half of the the 5 hours a week he puts into golf, into close hands work, 1 hour a week with a running coach and extra skills sessions.

Anyway, love seeing extras - it’ll be the difference.

After having a season ruined by Osteitis Pubis I think Berry should be careful with the amount of extras he does

 

[mattsmob]

I will likely get shot down for this haha but I do look at a guy like J Berry and think - imagine if he put half of the the 5 hours a week he puts into golf, into close hands work, 1 hour a week with a running coach and extra skills sessions.

After watching Robbo’s vlog the other week I don’t think he’s been putting too many hours into golf.

 

[POBT]

The "if it's not posted on social media, it didn't happen" mindset is far beyond my comprehension. I assume extras are being done. Why? Because we've been one of the best sides in the comp for 3 ****ing years!!!!

 

[lioninthesand]

The "if it's not posted on social media, it didn't happen" mindset is far beyond my comprehension. I assume extras are being done. Why? Because we've been one of the best sides in the comp for 3 ******* years!!!!

Who said extras weren’t being done?

 

[Section 5]

Who said extras weren’t being done?

I didn't know the guys were doing a movie
Is Robbo the director

 

[Daniels Riches]

I am happy to see this across the whole club. I said multiple times this year that I think we had an meh off season last year and it showed, our conditioning was average. I think it was mainly due to COVID and the short break but still - I hoped to see ‘extras’ again this year. A couple of years ago the guys were getting together in the park to play scratch matches and do training session on their own accord, if people recall?

I am massive on ‘extras’ in pro sports- I think it is what separates the best from the rest. It’s not enough of a thing in the AFL.

Forwards used to get hundreds of shots on goal in their own time, they can’t now because of sports science.

Kobe Bryant would hire a highschool gym or facility in most cities and get up shots on his day off when on the road. He also made sure he was always last in the gym. So if someone else stayed back, he would stay back with them. He is an extreme example of coarse.

I’m not saying they ‘should’ or it’s bad if they don’t, I know their is a huge focus on ‘down time’ and ‘golf’ these days but they only train like 2 hours a week - it’s hardly long enough to fully excel in your field.

I will likely get shot down for this haha but I do look at a guy like J Berry and think - imagine if he put half of the the 5 hours a week he puts into golf, into close hands work, 1 hour a week with a running coach and extra skills sessions.

Anyway, love seeing extras - it’ll be the difference.

I heard a player talking about Kobe doing this. (Forget who it was). He went to the gym and Kobe had already been there for an hour. Other bloke trained for an hour and a half and when he left Kobe was still there working his butt off. When he saw Kobe next he asked him why he stayed in the gym for so long after he had gone? Kobe said because I saw you come in and I wanted to let u know that I was prepared to work harder than you and anyone else. Mindset of an absolute champion.

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[Mighty Lions]

I heard a player talking about Kobe doing this. (Forget who it was). He went to the gym and Kobe had already been there for an hour. Other bloke trained for an hour and a half and when he left Kobe was still there working his butt off. When he saw Kobe next he asked him why he stayed in the gym for so long after he had gone? Kobe said because I saw you come in and I wanted to let u know that I was prepared to work harder than you and anyone else. Mindset of an absolute champion.

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He's following MJ's philosophy...if you take a look at The Last Dance (episodes 1 & 2) , Jordan says almost exactly that.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I didn't know the guys were doing a movie
Is Robbo the director

Let's hope there are no prop guns being fired in this one.

 

[a mayes ing]

I am happy to see this across the whole club. I said multiple times this year that I think we had an meh off season last year and it showed, our conditioning was average. I think it was mainly due to COVID and the short break but still - I hoped to see ‘extras’ again this year. A couple of years ago the guys were getting together in the park to play scratch matches and do training session on their own accord, if people recall?

I am massive on ‘extras’ in pro sports- I think it is what separates the best from the rest. It’s not enough of a thing in the AFL.

Forwards used to get hundreds of shots on goal in their own time, they can’t now because of sports science.

Kobe Bryant would hire a highschool gym or facility in most cities and get up shots on his day off when on the road. He also made sure he was always last in the gym. So if someone else stayed back, he would stay back with them. He is an extreme example of coarse.

I’m not saying they ‘should’ or it’s bad if they don’t, I know their is a huge focus on ‘down time’ and ‘golf’ these days but they only train like 2 hours a week - it’s hardly long enough to fully excel in your field.

I will likely get shot down for this haha but I do look at a guy like J Berry and think - imagine if he put half of the the 5 hours a week he puts into golf, into close hands work, 1 hour a week with a running coach and extra skills sessions.

Anyway, love seeing extras - it’ll be the difference.

huh?

 

[Daniels Riches]

He's following MJ's philosophy...if you take a look at The Last Dance (episodes 1 & 2) , Jordan says almost exactly that.

I'm embarrassed to say that I still haven't seen it! Not surprised by that at all.

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