Hawthorn are guaranteed one of Humphrey Tsatas Phillipou or Cmac.Bit of talk about trading up to Essendon but what about targeting Hawthorn? If we could give a future second up to potentially guarantee tsatas or philipou assuming suns go ginbey or Humphrey?
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How did he go at Carlton and where is he now , that's what you have to ask yourselfI reckon this is spot on. Some hard luck with injuries to high-middle range picks has hurt too. Goddard, McCartin, Gresham, Clark, Coffield, Billings, Higgins, McKenzie, Paton. All these blokes have had significant time out at a stage, or multiple stages.
The Goddard one frustrated me the most. Felt like we really didn't give him a chance to get back, especially considering he was a key pos player that generally takes longer to get to the level.
Our most successful period of recent memory involved a mix of drafting quality talls and mids.I sort of agree with you. Mids taken high have a much higher strike rate through the draft's history. We seemed to have an issue with taking mids for a decade. We tried to take HBFs and utilities and avoided obvious needs and didn't even draft those well.
I would like to target a mid with our first pick for a couple of years just to bulk up the future list quality but anything after first round should just be best available. We need KP and ruck depth, small forwards and probably some more running HBs and HFs/ wings as well. Neglecting those won't help us long term.
To me you need a couple of gun KPs but the rest of the supporting talls can be depth types taken later.
How did he go at Carlton and where is he now , that's what you have to ask yourself
Yeah but they got flogged in that grand final and finals. Making up the numnersThe Dogs were in the GF last year. And they won a (lucky) flag a few years ago with good mids and only GOP talls. And they've made finals the last 4 years in a row.
Consistently being around the mark has meant they've been able to attract decent (not star) free agents and trades to fill gaps: O'Brien, Treloar, Martin, Hannan, Bruce, Keath, Duryea, Crozier, Schache. Not all or even most of those have worked out but they've still been in a position to grab them because they're making finals.
Yeah but you only need one or two AA forwards whereas you need probably 8 running players of at least B+ grade to be at all competitive. And getting B+ graders (level of around the AA squad) isn't as easy as it sounds. It takes a lot of picks to get a good shot at those 8.
Where did that come from , never heard that beforeAnd that one big game was against the other young ruck, who was picked up in the PSD? can't recall his name, who actually had a much more consistent & better season.
Allison kicked a 70 metre bomb goal, in his last game for Sandy. Lets hope he can become the Gunston, he's been compared to. ???
So both clubs are sh1t , Maybe its the other part of the equation that's no goodHad a tough backline to crack into there. It's not like they've developed young guys that well either. Dow and Sticker immediately spring to mind
So both clubs are sh1t , Maybe its the other part of the equation that's no good
Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, McKay, Weitering, Jones etc go alright. Development gets overplayed IMO. Why could we develop an all star list from 2004-11 with probably not even half of the resources we’ve had recently and then all of a sudden we can’t develop players. We just picked the wrong ones.Had a tough backline to crack into there. It's not like they've developed young guys that well either. Dow and Sticker immediately spring to mind
No Melbourne couldn;t develop players untill they brought in Paul Roos. Our VFL program is a joke and has been since Paul Hudson left. No consistant VFL senior coach and all first timers. Its so much easier to say that our draftin has been crap then adress the underlying coaching/development issues imo.
33 and 47 fell into our lap - ok
Your memory is going - played 8 games in his first season averaged 12 disposals and 4 marks (best game was 20 disposals and 5 marks). Only played 1 game in 2016 when he did his achilles then turf toe and then his next game was in the last round in 2018 before he was de-listed.
Looked more than likely as 19 YO young defender in his first year - but the fact is that his injuries meant he never really got a proper go at it.
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GC needs to store points for a free academy players, no?
Here's a hypothetical. Seb Ross in his last year of a contract, playing good footy, but is picked behind Steele and Crouch each week and has Gresham, Clark, Sinclair, Windy, Owens, Pick 10, Bytel all pushing for a spot in the guts.
Even if he has a good season, is he someone we can trade for a pick in the 20's along with our organic 2nd rounder for their first? So long as there's genuine improvement from the names listed above, Seb could become expendable (which would be brutal given his resurgence).
Zak Jones might fall into that category also, but wouldn't fetch anything higher than the 30's.
Had a tough backline to crack into there. It's not like they've developed young guys that well either. Dow and Sticker immediately spring to mind
ThisCripps, Walsh, Curnow, McKay, Weitering, Jones etc go alright. Development gets overplayed IMO. Why could we develop an all star list from 2004-11 with probably not even half of the resources we’ve had recently and then all of a sudden we can’t develop players. We just picked the wrong ones.
His achilles and then foot injury wrecked him.How did he go at Carlton and where is he now , that's what you have to ask yourself
Allen was a real shame ,His achilles and then foot injury wrecked him.
He was looking very promising until the injuries... just like Jarryd Allen was before his hip.
Yeah, in his draft year profile.Where did that come from , never heard that before
Ned Moyle from the Suns & Jacob Edwards, NorthThe other ruck who was chosen BEFORE Heath. Loved that he showed him who the better ruck is in the end. I want Heath to destroy the North one who got picked first
They both showed the can play, I was surprised that nobody bid on them, always a bit of subterfuge with the AFL though, maybe a word to other clubs.We were lucky that no-one bid on them. Both showed a bit to suggest that someone might throw in a bid much earlier than they went. They were in our academy and were an opportunity to grab a couple of rare bargains. If they'd been in the open draft they are much harder to find.
Looks better than both. We got a bargain.Ned Moyle from the Suns & Jacob Edwards, North
Matching bids by Sydney @ 33 and Geelong @ 47 fell into our laps? You people are clueless.Considering we actually only had pick 49 I would say they fell in our laps
I think its just a misalignment on what "fall in your lap" means here.Matching bids by Sydney @ 33 and Geelong @ 47 fell into our laps? You people are clueless.
Being PF Brisbane and getting Ashcroft as a F/S is falling into your lap, being Finalist and getting Ugle-Hagen as Acedamy and Darcy F/S @ who were both touted as No.1 picks is falling into your lap.
Getting a player mid second round, and another third round while not being able to bid on them until after 20 (although other clubs have been able to) is anything but 'falling into our laps'.
Anything to hang s.hit on the clubs with some of you lot.
Moyle looks fantastic and a lot better than Heath at this stage. Less impact up forward but was the VFL TOTY ruck.Looks better than both. We got a bargain.