List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

Spoiler

 

[Vader]

So in other words we won't be trading him he'll just take the best offer whereever that is.

Assuming he gets an offer...

 

[Vader]

Surely there is some hope that Seedsman returns to the field in 2023, otherwise why retain him on the list? No one has formally said he’s finished.

Is it a situation like Sam Shaw where he was retained as a rookie for a year to be able to access AFL services for his concussion issues?

Or is it a situation like Gibbs where he was rookied post retirement to reduce the amount of his final year salary payout counted under the salary cap?

Or perhaps both.

It's closer to the Gibbs situation than Shaw. We can't afford to pay him out and include his 2023 salary under the 2022 salary cap, given that we've already paid out the last year of Brown's contract.

 

[Cap]

So are we generally happy or unhappy with draft night ?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So are we generally happy or unhappy with draft night ?

Happy .....compared to pre-draft expectation, we grabbed a couple of extra hopefuls ......it was not something we really needed to do UNLESS we really thought there were a couple of bargains

 

[skittlebrew]

I am just thinking that next year Crouch will be a restricted free agent. Some clubs might be interested in an experienced inside midfielder to help develop their young onballers and they would not have to part with any draft picks with the Crows receiving a compensation pick. With the right club Crouch could get a 4 year deal on about $500k - $600k which would put him in the realm of a 2nd or 3rd round compensation pick. The issue with the Crows is they already have Laird, Keays, Berry, Schoenberg, Sloane and Pedlar capable of playing a similar role and they can't all play in the same team.

The other restricted free agent for next year, from a Crows perspective, is Tom Doedee. Whilst I am obviously hoping Doedee does stay at the Crows there is the potential Geelong could try to lure Doedee back home with a deal that would potentially trigger a first round compensation pick for him. I have no inside information and this scenario may never eventuate, but I am just stating that Doedee is a Restricted Free Agent next year, he comes from Geelong and Geelong Football Club has a well documented history of attracting local products like Doedee back to the Cattery.

Given the projected strength of next years draft I am seriously hoping the Crows can have 5-6 picks inside the top 30 with a couple of those picks inside the top 10. With the Crows natural first round selection, a compensation pick for Doedee if he explores free agency, trading the 2024 first rounder for the 2023 first round, North Melbourne's 2023 second round pick, Gold Coast's 2023 second round pick and potentially picking up another second round pick either as compensation for Crouch, trading other players or draft picks. Given the amount of players coming out of contract next year the 2023 trade and draft period could be very interesting for the Crows.

Are you on crack? We couldn't give Crouch away this year or last. We would've paid his salary just to free up a list spot and still no takers.

A 4 year deal somewhere for Crouch and 5-6 picks for us within the top 30???

You're insane, I'm talking 4 naan breads insane.

 

[dogs105]

Have we almost completely decoupled our draft hand from our finishing position?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

What’s the ideal number of rucks on a list?

3-4

Taking Bond over Verrall is the real sticking point, although he might not even play as a mid

 

[Vader]

Have we almost completely decoupled our draft hand from our finishing position?

Well... none of the draft picks we used in this year's ND was related to our own finishing position - so yes, as far as 2022 is concerned.

I believe we still have our own 1st in the 2023 ND, and possibly our 2nd as well, so we're not completely decoupled next year.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

15? Where did you pluck that number from?

We didn’t waste picks 4 and 5 on small forwards, if we did Hamish and Reid should be sacked.

So across 2 teams, how many rucks?

are we talking pure mids or including mid/forwards and wingmen too?

 

[dogs105]

Well... none of the draft picks we used in this year's ND was related to our own finishing position - so yes, as far as 2022 is concerned.

I believe we still have our own 1st in the 2023 ND, and possibly our 2nd as well, so we're not completely decoupled next year.

I thought we had NM and GC seconds?? Could be wrong.

 

[dogs105]

Well... none of the draft picks we used in this year's ND was related to our own finishing position - so yes, as far as 2022 is concerned.

I believe we still have our own 1st in the 2023 ND, and possibly our 2nd as well, so we're not completely decoupled next year.

Good year to win the flag then!!

 

[Vader]

I thought we had NM and GC seconds?? Could be wrong.

I can't remember whose seconds we ended up with. You could be right (you probably are). We've definitely kept our 2023 1st, so we're not completely decoupled in 2023.

 

[Scorpus]

Adelaide Future Picks

Round 1 - Tied to Adelaide
Round 2 - Tied to North Melbourne
Round 2 - Tied to Gold Coast
Round 3 -
Round 4 -
Round 5 - Tied to Adelaide

 

[dogs105]

Adelaide Future Picks

Round 1 - Tied to Adelaide
Round 2 - Tied to North Melbourne
Round 2 - Tied to Gold Coast
Round 3 -
Round 4 -
Round 5 - Tied to Adelaide

Thanks. Let's finish top next year then!!

 

[GROTTO]

Adelaide Future Picks

Round 1 - Tied to Adelaide
Round 2 - Tied to North Melbourne
Round 2 - Tied to Gold Coast
Round 3 -
Round 4 -
Round 5 - Tied to Adelaide

So our 2023 picks in what is considered to be a good draft could be potentially a Top 10 with our 1st rounder and Picks 19 and 20 as best case scenarios. (+ the rest).

 

[Thetrader15]

It's closer to the Gibbs situation than Shaw. We can't afford to pay him out and include his 2023 salary under the 2022 salary cap, given that we've already paid out the last year of Brown's contract.

Or we've paid a portion of Brown's salary out.

I can't believe that any club (yes, even one apparently as poorly run as ours) would pay out a whole year of a contract and not ask the player to play SANFL when the player is clearly good enough, and we have top ups playing there.

 

[Bearded Clam]

nothing backs up your view of keays.

Yeah, nothing backs my view of Keays..

Apart from;

The lions thought Ben was such a great player they delisted him..

And

No one but the crows even bothered to pick him up so they got him for free.

And

That our midfield this year looked terrible right up until the point where they finally moved Ben out of it.. and then after that point whenever Ben went back in there for short stints it went straight back to being garbage.

And

Anyone thats watched any football without wearing “ben keays” brand rose coloured glasses can clearly see Ben is a player who gives his all but has unbelievably poor skills and decision making.

I’ve been watching this game of football for over 40 years.. its very easy to recognise who the players with shit skills are and those bereft of natural poise and talent. Ben is unfortunately one of them.

We have had the worst midfield in the comp for about 3 seasons now.. the results of which (bottom 5 finishes) are there for all there to see.. and Ben has been one of the main cogs in that shit midfield.

I will continue pointing this out regardless of what the ben keays fan club in here desperately try to claim about him.

Its like they’ve never even seen the dozens and dozens of times we’ve all seen Ben streaming forward with ball in hand only to end up disposing of it with all the poise and skill of a d-grade ammo’s player..

Ben has been an ok stop gap for the last couple of years.. but its time to move on and prioritise guys like pedlar, rachele, rankine, soligo, berry, taylor, shoey, nankervis, cook in the midfield and mid/forward line..

Crouch, keays and sloane are the past… and its been an ugly ending under these guys last 3 seasons. Some of the worst in the clubs history.

 

[Vader]

Or we've paid a portion of Brown's salary out.

I can't believe that any club (yes, even one apparently as poorly run as ours) would pay out a whole year of a contract and not ask the player to play SANFL when the player is clearly good enough, and we have top ups playing there.

The club would have been more than happy for him to retire, and probably encouraged it, given the "squeeze" we had for list positions this year.

Besides which, his body is pretty banged up after a long AFL career. It's time for him to rest it, and get on with the rest of his life.

 

[Thetrader15]

3-4

Taking Bond over Verrall is the real sticking point, although he might not even play as a mid

I think the ideal number of rucks is 2-3. Go for 4 and that 10% of the list on 5% of the positions on-field.

1 Lead
1 Ready to go back up
1 Developing

Then you have the fill ins like Thilthorpe and Berg.

 

[Vader]

I think the ideal number of rucks is 2-3. Go for 4 and that 10% of the list on 5% of the positions on-field.

1 Lead
1 Ready to go back up
1 Developing

Then you have the fill ins like Thilthorpe and Berg.

I'd say 3. We have 2 - plus Thilthorpe & Berg, who are primarily forwards.

 

[BigFella!]

Crouch will be an Unrestricted Free Agent, having already been a RFA at the end of 2021.

Nobody was interested in him as a RFA in 2021, resulting in the AFC signing him to a discounted contract. To be fair, he had just missed a whole season due to injury, and clubs were concerned about his ability to perform when he returned.

In 2022, he proved that their concerns were valid, by performing so badly that the AFC selectors had no choice but to drop him back to the SANFL for the second half of the season. Once again, he found no buyers when he was shopped around at the trade table.

2023 will be the 3rd consecutive year in which he and/or the AFC have tried to find him a new dance partner. Right now, it would take a miracle for him to be anywhere on an AFL list in 2024.

As things stand right now, he has no trade value, and no club interested in obtaining his services. The idea of him being offered a 4 year deal by anyone is laughable at best, truly champagne comedy.

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Vader, at the end of the day time will tell. If Crouch can stay fit and healthy and return to near All Australian form then he will extend his career. It would be prudent of the Crows to give Crouch a role that maximises his value so that he is an attractive proposition for other clubs come the free agency period at the end of the year; not to mention providing direct benefit to the Crows themselves. The chances of this happening are probably Buckley's; but Crouch has 11 months to extend his career and the Crows have 11 months to maximise his value.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Adelaide Future Picks

Round 1 - Tied to Adelaide
Round 2 - Tied to North Melbourne
Round 2 - Tied to Gold Coast
Round 3 -
Round 4 -
Round 5 - Tied to Adelaide

Interesting given the players we have to turn over

 

[Thetrader15]

The club would have been more than happy for him to retire, and probably encouraged it, given the "squeeze" we had for list positions this year.

Besides which, his body is pretty banged up after a long AFL career. It's time for him to rest it, and get on with the rest of his life.

Rest up and play div 1 amateurs at TTG...he's not that banged up!

I'm sure they would have been happy for him to retire, but they wouldn't pay his whole salary out in that case as a parting gift, especially if it meant putting a squeeze on our TPP.

 

[Thetrader15]

Thanks. Let's finish top next year then!!

...or last

 

[Thetrader15]

Vader, at the end of the day time will tell. If Crouch can stay fit and healthy and return to near All Australian form then he will extend his career. It would be prudent of the Crows to give Crouch a role that maximises his value so that he is an attractive proposition for other clubs come the free agency period at the end of the year; not to mention providing direct benefit to the Crows themselves. The chances of this happening are probably Buckley's; but Crouch has 11 months to extend his career and the Crows have 11 months to maximise his value.

I don't think we should be playing a player to increase his value, when it means sacrificing 20 games to a developing mid who's the future of the club.

If Matt can overtake Laird as a premium mid and start to be damaging and accountable defensively, then absolutely he can get back into the team, but if he couldn't do that last year, why can he do it this year when he's a year older?