List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[spenze]

You simply cannot make a judgement on McAsey, given his personal circumstances ......I've stated & will stand steadfast, McAsey will end up a good player for the Crows

Would help if we played him

 

[beagle2]

I switch between total despair with our rebuild and some hope. I do believe things are never as bad as they seem (beat Port,Bulldogs earlier in the year and Geelong, Melbourne last year) and honestly if we added a 150 game CHB , 1 A grade mid and a quality small forward we would be capable of challenging for finals.
Need a big off-season both trade and drafting wise


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Would only be enough to move up to the 9 to 12 bracket as there are far too many other wesknesses

 

[cleanhands]

That's your take...
That's not how I read workman like.

Jones is a natural ball-winner who can win possession on the inside and outside of the contest. He's got several noticeable strengths such as his outstanding work-rate, his repeated efforts, his ability to runs both ways and his constant pressure around the contest. He's a handy ball user, who can kick on both sides of his body, which is a must-have for midfielders in the modern era.
Jones has the speed and agility required to weave through congestion at stoppages, along with the toughness and mindset to apply tackles when needed. He recorded an 8.270-second agility test score further showing how quick he is on the move.
He is a fearless competitor and he isn't afraid to put his head over the ball on a continuous basis. This was evident during the National Championships when he averaged over six tackles a match. He caught the eye of many on-lookers during the carnival, especially in his teams' win against Vic Country when he amassed 28 disposals (16 contested), five marks, six tackles, five clearance and two goals in a scintillating performance.

Against popular opinion in here, I have seen this in him,i just hope it wasn’t our fault

 

[WaynesWorld19]

When did he say that? On 5AA it was more blaming our performances on the inexperience of our list and defending the rebuild. Not one mention of shitty experienced players, shitty game plan and selections

Where did I mention this, in any of my posts ?

The gameplan is very different to year 1 of Nicks tenure .....he had a lot more experienced players at his disposal
It was compared to the orange sunami of GWS

We're a long way off that style .....but we have so much more inexperience now ....the gameplan reflects, the contested style he's trying to embed in the team culture ......the run & gun will come, with experience and improved skills

Nicks has said quite a few times, he wants a scap ....take that as part of the teaching stage

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Did the Tippet saga have that much to do with 4 years later though? Wouldn't it be a bit more closely related to where we are right now as far as the imbalance of our list profile?

Yes ....the Draft sanctions should have delayed the ladder climb ....it didn't

But both CARL & ESS never recovered from their Draft sanctions, which were lighter than ours

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I switch between total despair with our rebuild and some hope. I do believe things are never as bad as they seem (beat Port,Bulldogs earlier in the year and Geelong, Melbourne last year) and honestly if we added a 150 game CHB , 1 A grade mid and a quality small forward we would be capable of challenging for finals.
Need a big off-season both trade and drafting wise


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Agree with your 3 needs .....lets hope Drafting and/or Trading can address at least 2 of those needs

I'm still gung-ho on McAsey ....so that could be one of the 3 needs addressed

JHF ....absolutely sell the farm ....by that, I'm all in on this year's 1st and next year's 1st

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Would help if we played him

Club will determine the timing, more based around his personality IMO .....critical McAsey carries his SANFL form into the AFL .....don't want another Milera scenario

We should also get 3 games into Newchurch this year ....will be amazed if it doesn't happen

 

[Big Crow]

They say it’s always darkest before the dawn. Unfortunately they were talking about the natural phenomenon of the sun rising in the morning not the AFC, who IMO are as low as I’ve ever seen them.

We’re awful and based on our drafting and list management I see it getting worse before it gets better. West Coast will absolutely be ahead of us next year, and there’s a decent chance North are too.

 

[1990crow]

They say it’s always darkest before the dawn. Unfortunately they were talking about the natural phenomenon of the sun rising in the morning not the AFC, who IMO are as low as I’ve ever seen them.

We’re awful and based on our drafting and list management I see it getting worse before it gets better. West Coast will absolutely be ahead of us next year, and there’s a decent chance North are too.

This is how I see it too sadly. We are heading towards being bottom next year.
Our coaching and recruiting both suck.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Where did I mention this, in any of my posts ?

The gameplan is very different to year 1 of Nicks tenure .....he had a lot more experienced players at his disposal
It was compared to the orange sunami of GWS

We're a long way off that style .....but we have so much more inexperience now ....the gameplan reflects, the contested style he's trying to embed in the team culture ......the run & gun will come, with experience and improved skills

Nicks has said quite a few times, he wants a scap ....take that as part of the teaching stage

Wasn’t having a crack at you, but for Kelly and Rowey and Bicks for not addressing it given they were going on about before the interview.

Or he’s just got a shitty gameplan.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Crouch (contracted)
Worrell (contracted)
Sholl (contracted)
Strachan (contracted)
Seedsman (contracted) - retired

Can easily see up to 5 contracted players leaving at season's end.

Then there is,

Rowe (uncontracted)?
Himmelberg (uncontracted)?
Frampton (uncontracted)?
Turner (uncontracted) likely gets another year

If we're replacing all these guys with draft picks, they ain't gonna be early picks. Pretty depressing stuff.

 

[Danger in Texas]

This is how I see it too sadly. We are heading towards being bottom next year.
Our coaching and recruiting both suck.

A bunch of our young guys will hopefully take another step, which can be classified as hope for the future

Coaching and gameplan is one thing that won’t change if we keep the status quo, sadly, and that’s why I think we have another cellar dweller year ahead of us

 

[Sanders]

Because for whatever reason, our current midfield mix is TERRIBLE .....too many of the same type, slow and handball happy .....Crouch throws the balance right out

So it’s just the mix?

 

[Sanders]

Imagine how bad out midfield would be if we didn't move Laird and Brisbane dudnt delist Keayes.

A very sobering thought

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So it’s just the mix?

IMO yes .....too short, too slow & too many of the same type, on the weekend .....I do think the current list presents other mix's, which would be more productive

 

[adelaidecrows]

A very sobering thought

And we didnt trade in Dawson to plug Nicks game plan and hide the true pain.

It damn well makes me want to drink to forget, not sobering at all.

 

[Sanders]

IMO yes .....too short, too slow & too many of the same type, on the weekend .....I do think the current list presents other mix's, which would be more productive

No ability or talent deficits. No skill shortage

Lots of the same type of A graders duplicating each other huh?

 

[Kezza86]

Crows first step to fix their list management issue is by recruiting Noble after he steps down today.

 

[Sanders]

Crows first step to fix their list management issue is by recruiting Noble after he steps down today.

You seem to be playing this straight

WTF

 

[Danger in Texas]

Walker signs contract extension

The Club’s all-time leading goal kicker has produced some of the best form of his career in 2022

www.afc.com.au

Tex signs on, it doesn’t explicitly say it but I suspect one year

 

[Betts are off]

Tex Signed. 1 year.

Great result!

 

[Scorpus]

The talk of Tex leaving was absolutely laughable. Was never, ever, ever going to happen

 

[FR0GGY]

Why would they need to ask him to stay?

He’s contracted. They can simply force him to stay if they really wanted him..

This sounds like the club desperately trying to make it sound like they want crouch to stay so as to keep his trade value up..

If they do the opposite and instead make it sound like they want to get him off the list, then his already low value becomes even worse and they might also be asked to pay part of his wage at his new club next year!..

Looks like we are slowly learning then.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Walker signs contract extension

The Club’s all-time leading goal kicker has produced some of the best form of his career in 2022

www.afc.com.au

Tex signs on, it doesn’t explicitly say it but I suspect one year

Timed to coincide with questions being asked about the rebuild.

Was always going to get another year, with Dawson probably our most important player

 

[George CantStandYa]

How do we have press release and not stipulate the term?