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List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

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It is strange time of year for Jusin and Hamish to take leave...

But given how stacked our list I can understand why our lists guys are mia
 
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Drewie11 said:
I don’t think there would be 1 supporter that would take JHF over those 3 players
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We would have gotten Dawson with North Melbourne second round pick we were going to get for handing over Melbourne's first.

The equation is really Rachele and Rankine for JHF (assuming the pick 5 for Rankine is true).

It may end up looking like:

Rankine, Rachele and pick 25

Vs

JHF
 
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Drewie11 said:
I don’t think there would be 1 supporter that would take JHF over those 3 players
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Definitely agree here.

Even though I bang on needing elite mids and batting deep in this area, the bottom line is that with elite mids, you still need quality around the ground.
 

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WaynesWorld19 said:
Caller into Trade Radio just made an excellent point re us chasing JHF last year

The picks we offered for NORTH's #1 pick (JHF) .....have been turned into Rachelle, Dawson, and Rankine 👍
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hes just repeating someone else from yesterday but yes its daft using three first rounders on one player that is not actually a star and is just potential
 
crow2crow said:
hes just repeating someone else from yesterday but yes its daft using three first rounders on one player that is not actually a star and is just potential
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At least we aren't WB or St Kilda .....WOW, do those guys make crazy list management decisions

And Collingwood must be on the wacky tobaccy
 
WaynesWorld19 said:
Caller into Trade Radio just made an excellent point re us chasing JHF last year

The picks we offered for NORTH's #1 pick (JHF) .....have been turned into Rachelle, Dawson, and Rankine 👍
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I hope we are getting more then Rankine for pick 5. So, the equation could be Rachelle, Dawson, Rankine plus whomever we get with hopefully Pick25 or 31 we get back from GC. Could be Rachelle, Dawson, Rankine and Keeler?
 
Not just a non-level playing field for GWS and Gold Coast, but us as well. Moving forward, and with the current approach re: free agency and contracts not really mattering nor being enforced, not only we will need to pay a premium for Victorian-born players (especially those from Bleak City and Ford town), but we will have absolutely no ability to entice an A-grade, Victorian born player to leave bleak city and relocate to Adelaide...does make me despair a bit, because unless we suddenly have a generation of SA born talent willing to shift back (which I guess is starting to happen with the likes of JHF and Rankine) we have no real ability to compete moving forwards....

Not a level paying field: The problem the Bowes trade reveals​

Jake Niall

ByJake Niall​

October 4, 2022 — 8.42pm



If Jack Bowes is traded to Geelong, with the Cats also gaining the prized pick seven in the national draft, the deal will represent a worrisome watershed in the competition’s history.
Geelong won the premiership and have missed the finals once in 16 seasons. The Suns are yet to make the finals in their dozen, largely dismal years of existence.
Gold Coast midfielder [PLAYERCARD]Jack Bowes[/PLAYERCARD].

Gold Coast midfielder Jack Bowes.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
The draft and salary cap are socialised measures designed to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable, invented to lift lowly teams up and undercutting, if not levelling, empires such as Geelong’s.
Yet, it is the premiers who have the room to take Gold Coast’s salary dump and acquire Bowes, who, whether he chooses Geelong, Hawthorn or Essendon, is less valuable to those clubs than the high draft pick that is attached to him, in a buy-one-get-one-free deal.

Fans of other clubs will be watching Gold Coast’s Bowes sale and wondering how the heck the Suns have ended up offloading a former top 10 draft choice - an academy player from Queensland, who clubs rated highly - and giving up a draft pick that is of considerable value.

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To gain Bowes and pick seven, the vendor must also pick up his contract, which amounts to more than $1.5 million over the next two years. He comes with a major string attached, since many clubs can’t afford to take on a player who hasn’t been in the Gold Coast’s starting midfield on that kind of money (even if you re-negotiate it down).
It is remarkable that Geelong, despite an unmatched run of success since Joel Selwood’s arrival in 2006, can take on the excessive Bowes contract (which resulted from the Suns pushing money back). It is less surprising that Hawthorn and Essendon can accommodate Bowes, given their recent ladder positions.
What should concern the AFL and what the Bowes deal lays bare is that expansion teams are nowhere near parity if they have to compete with the same set of rules as Geelong, Essendon, Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood, West Coast and so forth.

Greater Western Sydney operates under the same grim circumstances, or worse, than the Gold Coast, in that they have been forced to pay close to a million dollars a season for four players - Stephen Coniglio, Josh Kelly, Lachie Whitfield and Toby Greene - and for terms of at least six years. The player they could least afford to lose, Jeremy Cameron, joined the Cats for a lower price than he was paid at GWS.
The Giants and Suns are caught in a cycle of losing players, whom they have little choice but to overpay based on their high draft position; hence, the Giants are giving up Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper (albeit they have too many inside mids) rather than Coniglio or another older player on a hefty contract.
[PLAYERCARD]Tim Taranto[/PLAYERCARD].

Tim Taranto.CREDIT:pHIL HILLYARD.
The Suns are making this radical step of the salary dump for a high pick, in the knowledge that: a) Bowes is on the fringes of their best side; b) he’s on too much money; and c) they have to offer clubs something irresistible to get them to take on his contract. The AFL recently amended the rules to allow such dumps.
The Suns’ view is that the value of that salary-cap space is greater to them than the draft pick. This is a logic that applies only to the expansion teams. For the Swans and Lions have been established for long enough to retain players for closer to Melbourne market rates, even though Sydney (and GWS) lost their cost-of-living allowance in 2014 post the Buddy Franklin signing.

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As a trade, Bowes will attract less media interest than Brodie Grundy or Luke Jackson’s moves. But it is far and away the most important trade for what it tells us about the AFL’s two-tiered competition.
Geelong, with their lower cost of living, local players (17 if Ollie Henry and Tanner Bruhn get there) and coastal/country lifestyle, are operating in an entirely different stratosphere to the expansion teams. Ditto, to a lesser extent, for the Melbourne clubs that are pursuing Bowes.
The AFL succeeded in equalising the competition on most measures, but where the 17th and 18th clubs are concerned, there isn’t a level paying field.
 
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Crudler said:
I hope we are getting more then Rankine for pick 5. So, the equation could be Rachelle, Dawson, Rankine plus whomever we get with hopefully Pick25 or 31 we get back from GC. Could be Rachelle, Dawson, Rankine and Keeler?
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That's my hope too ....a 2nd round back sounds right ....not as if GC need all those picks, given they have to trim their list back to 44 in total this year
 
WaynesWorld19 said:
Caller into Trade Radio just made an excellent point re us chasing JHF last year

The picks we offered for NORTH's #1 pick (JHF) .....have been turned into Rachelle, Dawson, and Rankine 👍
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Not too shabby at all.
 
Crudler said:
I hope we are getting more then Rankine for pick 5. So, the equation could be Rachelle, Dawson, Rankine plus whomever we get with hopefully Pick25 or 31 we get back from GC. Could be Rachelle, Dawson, Rankine and Keeler?
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I could see us getting a 2nd rounder back.

Suns, GWS these teams dont value these picks as they only know how to deal and utilize 1st rounders.
 

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Crudler said:
I hope we are getting more then Rankine for pick 5. So, the equation could be Rachelle, Dawson, Rankine plus whomever we get with hopefully Pick25 or 31 we get back from GC. Could be Rachelle, Dawson, Rankine and Keeler?
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Solid username btw.
 
GROTTO said:
I could see us getting a 2nd rounder back.

Suns, GWS these teams dont value these picks as they only know how to deal and utilize 1st rounders.
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Given the Jake Bowers situation, I don't see why a second round pick doesn't get the Rankine deal done.

It's obvious that GC can't match the $$$ we have put in front of Rankine, so we clearly hold them over a barrel. If they are giving up a top 10 pick just to dump salary, how can they possibly stand firm on Rankine? It makes zero sense.
 
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DJ75 said:
Given the Jake Bowers situation, I don't see why a second round pick doesn't get the Rankine deal done.

It's obvious that GC can't match the $$$ we have put in front of Rankine, so we clearly hold them over a barrel. If they are giving up a top 10 pick just to dump salary, how can they possibly stand firm on Rankine? It makes zero sense.
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I do not know, but I dont think the worry is Gold Coast...it is the other clubs below us that might roll the dice and take Rankine's contract should he be forced into the PSD. I doubt GWS could get him, but surely NM and Essendon would have the salary cap room even if he put an astronomical first year contract price on his head...
 
DJ75 said:
Given the Jake Bowers situation, I don't see why a second round pick doesn't get the Rankine deal done.

It's obvious that GC can't match the $$$ we have put in front of Rankine, so we clearly hold them over a barrel. If they are giving up a top 10 pick just to dump salary, how can they possibly stand firm on Rankine? It makes zero sense.
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The bit I don't understand is adding pick 7. Obviously, if they are so hot on our pick 5, they want high draft picks. So why not offer the free trade of a former top 10 pick in Bowes and their second rounder? Still a carrot, but not giving away pick 7 for ****ing nothing.
 
WaynesWorld19 said:
Caller into Trade Radio just made an excellent point re us chasing JHF last year

The picks we offered for NORTH's #1 pick (JHF) .....have been turned into Rachelle, Dawson, and Rankine 👍
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Rowey has mentioned a few times last week. That is what you would need to give up. rachelle Dawson and rankine.
 
WaynesWorld19 said:
That's my hope too ....a 2nd round back sounds right ....not as if GC need all those picks, given they have to trim their list back to 44 in total this year
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I didn’t think they had to trim the list yet? Has that been made official?

Also I would expect the Suns are looking to be involved in the Brisbane pick. Would like to think we may also give up our future 2 nd to GC and in return get Brisbane first this year - but that may be a stretch


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What our list management team is up to since trading opened on Monday.
 

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We're in serious trouble if they can't manage to trade out at least one of our contracted players - with Sholl, Crouch, McAsey the most likely candidates.

With Frampton & Rowe the only uncontracted senior list players, and a maximum of 1 position to be gained from altering the list structure (from 37/5 to 38/4), we still need to offload at least 1 contracted player just to get Rankine and satisfy the AFL's mandatory minimum number of ND selections (3, minus rookie upgrades).
 
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