List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Carmo]

CLUBS TOLD TO EXPECT CAP LIFT​

THE AFL has told clubs to plan for a five per cent rise in player payments next year as they work through their salary estimates for 2023.


Clubs received a memo from the League last week with guidelines for them to assume a five per cent uplift from the total player payments figure this year.


It is a budgeting value rather than a locked in figure, which will come after Collective Bargaining Agreement is reached with the AFL Players' Association, and are considered notional to assist with clubs facilitating their TPP process.


The five per cent rise would see the total player payments sit at $14,215,943 per club and the additional services agreement money rise to $1,291,912. Across both of those, it would see a total value of nearly $740,000 added per club.


That would likely be chewed up relatively quickly as clubs have built-in contract clauses for certain players for TPP uplifts.


The AFLPA had waited until after the recent record-breaking broadcast deal had been signed before starting CBA talks for the next players deal. – Callum Twomey

Deals set up big finish, Pie's hopes in limbo, Dons' plan for duo

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

 

[crow2crow]

Hoping all is not lost on Hately

hately is a bust unfortunately they know it already and possibly before we got him which explains why they refused to trade for him - too risky

 

[Mutineer]

hately is a bust unfortunately they know it already and possibly before we got him which explains why they refused to trade for him - too risky

We offered a trade for Hately but GWS wanted more and then they got busy with other deals and left it too late.

 

[GrommoT]

JHF failed deal last year may is a blessing, I think.





Callum Twomey
@CalTwomey


Adelaide offered three first-round picks for the No.1 pick last year to take Jason Horne-Francis. The Crows have ended up using those picks on Josh Rachele (No.6 in 2021), Jordan Dawson

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Jordan Dawson

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

15.7

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

(a future first-rounder in 2021) and Izak Rankine

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Izak Rankine

Age

25

Ht

179cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

5star

CL

1.7

4star

(No.5 in 2022).
@AFLcomau

Had NM accepted our bid last year, I reckon it's more likely to have cost us Rachele and Soligo. We would have found a way to bring in Dawson (though it might have upset Sydney no end), and we would have paid for Rankine with our 2023 r1 pick.

Maybe we would have been able to get Soligo anyway but we would have JHF ... then again, could he have long term aims of asking to be traded to the Poo anyway?

 

[dogs105]

I don't think Crouch will be at the Crows next year

 

[George CantStandYa]

I don't think Crouch will be at the Crows next year

Why

 

[Soggy2112]

Thinking on it a bit, if they plan to use Izak as an outside mid and roll forward and we have Dawson and Soligo as our other quality users on the outside, is there still a place for M Crouch in the guts as we will need the ball winners to get the ball to the outside of the contest. I suppose I am saying we look to have some real quality we can play on the wings in terms of speed and ball use, maybe the in the guts players need to be the laird / Crouch types that get it 35 times a game and handball it or kick it to the outside

Just musing

Nope.

We need to move away from Matt unfortunately. Laird fills that role but better, and our other young mids Berry, Schoenberg, Taylor, Turner, Pedlar if fit, are all capable of winning the ball on the inside but have far more strings to their bows.

Unfortunately for Matt, tactically the game is moving past the pure accumulators, same thing is happening to Mitchell.

 

[BigFella!]

Because we don’t have 3 list spots to fill.

So you are telling me you would rather go into the National Draft with picks 23 and 46 instead of 23 and 34 with pick 56 as a back up in case we need points for Michalanney. Having picks 34 and 56 gives the Crows an extra 405 draft points with the points to match a bid from 21 onwards whilst with pick 46 we would have the points to match a bid from pick 42 onwards. Currently, if an early bid comes in for Michalanney the Crows would go into a points deficit for the 2023 national draft. If the Crows needed to temporarily create room they could delist Seedsman and McPherson for "administrative purposes" for the National Draft and select them in the Rookie draft. On the books, the Crows would have delisted or traded Brown, Frampton, Rowe, Seedsman, McPherson, Davis and Turner bringing their senior list down to 32, and recruited Rankine, 23, 34, 56 and upgraded Strachan and Butts onto the Senior List for a roster of 38. There would be Murray and Parnell left as Category A rookies with the Crows having 2 rookie spots for Seedsman and McPherson. If Pick 56 isn't used or needed then the Crows could take an extra pick in the PSD or Rookie Draft. If Seedsman is still on the LTI list next year the Crows could add someone to their list during the supplemental selection period.

 

[BunjiMac]

Thinking on it a bit, if they plan to use Izak as an outside mid and roll forward and we have Dawson and Soligo as our other quality users on the outside, is there still a place for M Crouch in the guts as we will need the ball winners to get the ball to the outside of the contest. I suppose I am saying we look to have some real quality we can play on the wings in terms of speed and ball use, maybe the in the guts players need to be the laird / Crouch types that get it 35 times a game and handball it or kick it to the outside

Just musing

That's fine in theory, but even if you discount Crouch, our inside midfielders have no ability to handball to the outside player.

They either handball directly to the person next to them or they blaze away.

This is why we've needed a big bodied inside bull for so long. Someone who can stand up and actually see the outside options. Our inside midfielders literally cannot see over the bigger opposition players and they are too small to break free of tackles.

Any fool can hand ball to the person next to them but all that does is puts pressure on the next person, and so on until the ball is turned over.

If our midfielders haven't received the favourable tap and had a running start to hit the ball at speed, they are pretty much stuffed. They are drawn into a contest of hot potato which leads to the turnover but does wonders for their individual stats.

Meanwhile the outside players are starved of the ball and end up joining the contest, but when they win the ball there's no one free to really pass to now.

Our spread is therefore ridiculously poor as a result.

The stats may look good, but our midfield is absolutely the source of many of our problems.

We need players in the heat of the contest that can literally stand up and pick the best outside option.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Why would GWS do that deal?!?!

They wouldn't

 

[LeftyLuke]

hately is a bust unfortunately they know it already and possibly before we got him which explains why they refused to trade for him - too risky

Yep he's sanfl level.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

So you are telling me you would rather go into the National Draft with picks 23 and 46 instead of 23 and 34 with pick 56 as a back up in case we need points for Michalanney. Having picks 34 and 56 gives the Crows an extra 405 draft points with the points to match a bid from 21 onwards whilst with pick 46 we would have the points to match a bid from pick 42 onwards. Currently, if an early bid comes in for Michalanney the Crows would go into a points deficit for the 2023 national draft. If the Crows needed to temporarily create room they could delist Seedsman and McPherson for "administrative purposes" for the National Draft and select them in the Rookie draft. On the books, the Crows would have delisted or traded Brown, Frampton, Rowe, Seedsman, McPherson, Davis and Turner bringing their senior list down to 32, and recruited Rankine, 23, 34, 56 and upgraded Strachan and Butts onto the Senior List for a roster of 38. There would be Murray and Parnell left as Category A rookies with the Crows having 2 rookie spots for Seedsman and McPherson. If Pick 56 isn't used or needed then the Crows could take an extra pick in the PSD or Rookie Draft. If Seedsman is still on the LTI list next year the Crows could add someone to their list during the supplemental selection period.

Draft discount is locked 197 points after the first rd.
Currently we can match a bid at 35 or after, 46 we probably turn it to 40-41 after other players are matched in front of us.
Then we can at pick 30-31.

Also the numbers pf pick you can use is the same number of list spots open. Well likely on have 1 spot to use, and even if we had 2 spots, we could grab pick 70 from the pies and that will move up to early 60’s, given us another 100 or so points match.

 

[dplggr47]

I don't think Crouch will be at the Crows next year

The club has already come out to confirm that he would be. So unless there's some last minute scrambling by another club to trade for him, it would be silly for the Crows to make such a statement.

 

[Crow_68]

Draft discount is locked 197 points after the first rd.
Currently we can match a bid at 35 or after, 46 we probably turn it to 40-41 after other players are matched in front of us.
Then we can at pick 30-31.

Also the numbers pf pick you can use is the same number of list spots open. Well likely on have 1 spot to use, and even if we had 2 spots, we could grab pick 70 from the pies and that will move up to early 60’s, given us another 100 or so points match.

And if Michalanney goes in the late 20s, we can always match and go into a slight deficit for the 2023 draft.

Think trading in 46 is the clearest sign yet that Michalanney is coming in - now we just have to create that list spot for him.

 

[Crowked]

We’ll it sounds like trade period is basically over for us

When do we delist Davis and Rowe?

CLUBS TOLD TO EXPECT CAP LIFT​

THE AFL has told clubs to plan for a five per cent rise in player payments next year as they work through their salary estimates for 2023.


Clubs received a memo from the League last week with guidelines for them to assume a five per cent uplift from the total player payments figure this year.


It is a budgeting value rather than a locked in figure, which will come after Collective Bargaining Agreement is reached with the AFL Players' Association, and are considered notional to assist with clubs facilitating their TPP process.


The five per cent rise would see the total player payments sit at $14,215,943 per club and the additional services agreement money rise to $1,291,912. Across both of those, it would see a total value of nearly $740,000 added per club.


That would likely be chewed up relatively quickly as clubs have built-in contract clauses for certain players for TPP uplifts.


The AFLPA had waited until after the recent record-breaking broadcast deal had been signed before starting CBA talks for the next players deal. – Callum Twomey

Deals set up big finish, Pie's hopes in limbo, Dons' plan for duo

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

another Geelong favour

 

[rabidcrow]

Because we don’t have 3 list spots to fill.

Are we certain that 46 covers MM? I wouldn’t be surprised if we do something like this after trade week - once Brisbane know what they have


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[dogs105]

Why

Just a hunch. Could be completely wrong

 

[Peter Doherty]

Draft discount is locked 197 points after the first rd.
Currently we can match a bid at 35 or after, 46 we probably turn it to 40-41 after other players are matched in front of us.
Then we can at pick 30-31.

Also the numbers pf pick you can use is the same number of list spots open. Well likely on have 1 spot to use, and even if we had 2 spots, we could grab pick 70 from the pies and that will move up to early 60’s, given us another 100 or so points match.

How does this work then? How many list spots do Brisbane have?

 

[StonesThrow]

Hopefully Crouch wins the Magarey next year then.

 

[skittlebrew]

I don't think Crouch will be at the Crows next year

Don't you dare get our hopes up

 

[Soggy2112]

That's fine in theory, but even if you discount Crouch, our inside midfielders have no ability to handball to the outside player.

They either handball directly to the person next to them or they blaze away.

This is why we've needed a big bodied inside bull for so long. Someone who can stand up and actually see the outside options. Our inside midfielders literally cannot see over the bigger opposition players and they are too small to break free of tackles.

Any fool can hand ball to the person next to them but all that does is puts pressure on the next person, and so on until the ball is turned over.

If our midfielders haven't received the favourable tap and had a running start to hit the ball at speed, they are pretty much stuffed. They are drawn into a contest of hot potato which leads to the turnover but does wonders for their individual stats.

Meanwhile the outside players are starved of the ball and end up joining the contest, but when they win the ball there's no one free to really pass to now.

Our spread is therefore ridiculously poor as a result.

The stats may look good, but our midfield is absolutely the source of many of our problems.

We need players in the heat of the contest that can literally stand up and pick the best outside option.

Sam Berry

 

[1990crow]

How does the following strategy go for 4 improving the squad in 2023 and 2024..

2023 - keep first rounder (6-9) and trade 2024 first pick for a player (Mid or KPD)
2024 - First round Father son prospect (Tyler Welsh) using points, and obtain a Free Agent

 

[Diseased_Kevin]

Sam Berry

Add add Jarryd Lemons to that mix and it’s like a fruit basket or summin

 

[Scorpus]

How does the following strategy go for 4 improving the squad in 2023 and 2024..

2023 - keep first rounder (6-9) and trade 2024 first pick for a player (Mid or KPD)
2024 - First round Father son prospect (Tyler Welsh) using points, and obtain a Free Agent

We need to tank and get a top 4 pick to use on an elite midfielder

 

[1990crow]

We need to tank and get a top 4 pick to use on an elite midfielder

I dont think that is going to happen.