List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[1990crow]

Why not?

Because he's never played midfield, and is 25.
He's also an average kick, slow hand to foot kick, doesn't have any pace.
His true skillset is intercepting.

I find proposing moving players from where they were drafted or recruited for (as that's where they showed the most) rarely works.
Failed tall forwards make good defenders.
Half backers can sometimes play Wing.
Mids can become forwards.
But rarely can taller players, defenders or forwards become good midfielders.

Laird was a junior mid.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Beveridge has handled Dunkley poorly.
He is very different to Schoenberg in many ways.
Go look at his 2019 year at 22 y.o.
He was on track to being a gun.
191cm 90kg mid averaging almost 30 possessions a game.

Beveridge has prioritised Macrae, Bont. Macrae is a bit overrated imo.

 

[Peter Doherty]

No one has suggested he is the messiah. He’s a decent mid that would make our midfield better because it’s one of the worst in the comp. I’m also not suggesting using our first pick on him and I don’t think Port will be either

I see where you're coming from, just don't agree.

You agree we need to try and get an elite classy mid as well? How do we get one of these? The same way everyone else got theirs, though the pointy end of the draft.

With Rankine also coming in, I just don't see us being able to get Rankine, Dunkley and possibly Phillipou.

Open to ideas

 

[1970crow]

OR Sam Berry and Luke Pedlar

Can Dawson play that tall midfield finishing role next year ?

According to Nix he was going to play it this year. But Nix is too defensive minded and concerned with wins to keep his job.

 

[BunjiMC]

Because he's never played midfield, and is 25.
He's also an average kick, slow hand to foot kick, doesn't have any pace.
His true skillset is intercepting.

I find proposing moving players from where they were drafted or recruited for (as that's where they showed the most) rarely works.
Failed tall forwards make good defenders.
Half backers can sometimes play Wing.
Mids can become forwards.
But rarely can taller players, defenders or forwards become good midfielders.

Laird was a junior mid.

If this all holds true and we are not willing to try him somewhere else.....then surely we trade him.

 

[George CantStandYa]

I see where you're coming from, just don't agree.

You agree we need to try and get an elite classy mid as well? How do we get one of these? The same way everyone else got theirs, though the pointy end of the draft.

With Rankine also coming in, I just don't see us being able to get Rankine, Dunkley and possibly Phillipou.

Open to ideas

I don’t think we will be getting Rankine and Phillipou, I think our first will be gone, so if we don’t make a play for Dunkley we aren’t boosting our midfield.

How do we do it? Now that is the hard part, but if we wanted to we’d find a way.

 

[Mutineer]

WaynesWorld19 and Mutineer , what would you say Phillipou's best attributes would be?

Can't say I can see any glaring deficiences in his game either playing midfield or forward, kicking is above average and quite penetrating, good footy I.Q., elite overhead, good hands inside and worth remembering he carried a niggle (back soreness) through most of the Nationals Carnival that saw him get limited exposure in the midfield. Probably played the best quarter of football by any mid in the draft before copping the back injury early in the 2nd of that game.

Problem could be he's gone by our pick remembering he's also one of the youngest players in this draft.

 

[LeftyLuke]

OR Sam Berry and Luke Pedlar

Can Dawson play that tall midfield finishing role next year ?

I don't think Dawson is a mid. Perfect for wing spending some time forward. Exactly how the swans played him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

According to Nix he was going to play it this year. But Nix is a defensive minded hack.

So this hasn't worked out for SYD and MELB ? .....it's the Paul Roos Coaching Model

Nothing wrong with developing a contested defensive game with kids ....as they get experience, overlay cross tram track gameplan & add the class ......Dawson last year, Rankine next year & hopefully Milera played in a position that suits him .....and that IS NOT in front of the ball

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Can't say I can see any glaring deficiences in his game either playing midfield or forward, kicking is above average and quite penetrating, good footy I.Q., elite overhead, good hands inside and worth remembering he carried a niggle (back soreness) through most of the Nationals Carnival that saw him get limited exposure in the midfield. Probably played the best quarter of football by any mid in the draft before copping the back injury early in the 2nd of that game.

Problem could be he's gone by our pick remembering he's also one of the youngest players in this draft.

Phillipou should last to pick #6 though

 

[Bearded Clam]

I see where you're coming from, just don't agree.

You agree we need to try and get an elite classy mid as well? How do we get one of these? The same way everyone else got theirs, though the pointy end of the draft.

With Rankine also coming in, I just don't see us being able to get Rankine, Dunkley and possibly Phillipou.

Open to ideas

2023 1st + steak knives for Rankine

2022 2nd + Rowe (if the rumours are true) for Dunkley

2022 1st for Phillipou.

Easy.

 

[1970crow]

Why not?

Dripping with stench of Neil Craig failure.

Edit - Mixed up discussion lines.

 

[Peter Doherty]

I don’t think we will be getting Rankine and Phillipou, I think our first will be gone, so if we don’t make a play for Dunkley we aren’t boosting our midfield.

How do we do it? Now that is the hard part, but if we wanted to we’d find a way.

This is exactly what I'm talking about with Rankine. There has to be a way we can get Rankine and keep our first this year. This should be the priority. If we're going to lose a first for Rankine, let it be our '23 first.

We are in the right spot for Phillipou, smart play is to bank him, rather than wait another year and hope a guy like him is there at our pick next year.

 

[Mutineer]

Phillipou should last to pick #6 though

Should he?

How many tall mid/forwards who are currently all the rage available in this draft especially given his age and potential upside?

 

[George CantStandYa]

This is exactly what I'm talking about with Rankine. There has to be a way we can get Rankine and keep our first this year. This should be the priority. If we're going to lose a first for Rankine, let it be our '23 first.

We are in the right spot for Phillipou, smart play is to bank him, rather than wait another year and hope a guy like him is there at our pick next year.

Bloody oath we should be putting up next years first and bank ourselves to improve. But if Gold Coast don’t accept it I don’t think we will go the PSD route

 

[1970crow]

I don't think Dawson is a mid. Perfect for wing spending some time forward. Exactly how the swans played him.

We lose nothing giving him a block of a few games in there though.

 

[Mego Red]

Phillipou should last to pick #6 though

Oh, shit yes. But if we're picking around Brisbane's pick he's probably gone.

 

[1970crow]

So this hasn't worked out for SYD and MELB ? .....it's the Paul Roos Coaching Model

Nothing wrong with developing a contested defensive game with kids ....as they get experience, overlay cross tram track gameplan & add the class ......Dawson last year, Rankine next year & hopefully Milera played in a position that suits him .....and that IS NOT in front of the ball

The issue is that we’re developing nothing. He’s scared to attack, you still need to move the ball quickly when you get it. As soon as Nix is under pressure, he stifles our ball movement. He’s no Roos, using him as an example is ridiculous.

 

[1970crow]

2023 1st + steak knives for Rankine

2022 2nd + Rowe (if the rumours are true) for Dunkley

2022 1st for Phillipou.

Easy.

2023 1st will be about the same as this year. Can’t think of any clubs that we’ll definitely overtake. I expect a couple will drop below us and a couple rise above us.

 

[LeftyLuke]

The issue is that we’re developing nothing. He’s scared to attack, you still need to move the ball quickly when you get it. As soon as Nix is under pressure, he stifles our ball movement. He’s no Roos, using him as an example is ridiculous.

Brendan Bolton is an apt comparison at this stage.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Bloody oath we should be putting up next years first and bank ourselves to improve. But if Gold Coast don’t accept it I don’t think we will go the PSD route

The kid sounds spooked enough as it is.. if a trade isnt done I can easily see him just re-signing with the Suns instead of taking a chance in the PSD..

Which is a fxxking disgusting prospect because the crows have had 3 young player leave for massive contracts (2 of them in cameron and mcgovern) and the crows never attempted to block their trades. They dealt with it and just worked on getting the best deal for them they could even as contracted fxxking players.

I can see the entitled “we deserve everything” flogs that are the Suns thinking “lets refuse to entertain a deal unless its ludicrously overs and try and force it to the PSD” in the hope that if this does look likely that Rankine simply re-signs with them rather than risk going to north or west coast or bombers..

And the anti crows media will cheer it along.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Should he?

How many tall mid/forwards who are currently all the rage available in this draft especially given his age and potential upside?

Ashcroft
Sheezel
Tsatas
Jefferson
Busslinger
Wardlaw
.
.
.

 

[70lethal]

Should he?

How many tall mid/forwards who are currently all the rage available in this draft especially given his age and potential upside?

Haven't you changed your tune in 2 weeks.
Takes you a while to get on board.

 

[LeftyLuke]

The kid sounds spooked enough as it is.. if a trade isnt done I can easily see him just re-signing with the Suns instead of taking a chance in the PSD..

Which is a fxxking disgusting prospect because the crows have had 3 young player leave for massive contracts (2 of them in cameron and mcgovern) and the crows never attempted to block their trades. They dealt with it and just worked on getting the best deal for them they could even as contracted fxxking players.

I can see the entitled “we deserve everything” flogs that are the Suns thinking “lets refuse to entertain a deal unless its ludicrously overs and try and force it to the PSD” in the hope that if this does look likely that Rankine simply re-signs with them rather than risk going to north or west coast or bombers..

And the anti crows media will cheer it along.

Rankine needs to play the game and say that he won't under any circumstances be at the suns next year. This is exactly what Cameron did under contract I might add.
Trust me GC don't want to get nothing for him. Rankine needs to take a leaf out of Oscar Piastri's playbook. If GC valued him they would have offered him a better deal just as Alpine should have done.

 

[Mutineer]

Haven't you changed your tune in 2 weeks.
Takes you a while to get on board.

Stop talking shit....

Phillipou has always been one of my favoured players if he's available at our pick