Play Nice 2022 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings/Finance/Development thread

[Bjo187]

Soccer’s expansion plans - they will be expanding from the current 12 teams to 16 in 3 years. Canberra and Auckland will be Teams 13 and 14, and will mean that there are now 2 NZ teams in the competition. Team 15 and 16 candidates include Gold Coast, Wollongong and another Brisbane team.

A-Leagues to add Canberra, Auckland teams in $50m expansion

The A-League could also be open to adding teams via promotion from Football Australia’s planned national second division.

amp.smh.com.au

Is albo funding this, or he doesn't like soccer so won't be committing Australian taxpayer dollars to A league expansion?

 

[RedV3x]

Is albo funding this, or he doesn't like soccer so won't be committing Australian taxpayer dollars to A league expansion?

If some government fool actually looked at a few games of AL on television then they would yank it.
Better crowds at Australian Football state leagues.

 

[Gigantor]

The APL is absolutely broke.
Their only play is to sell licenses to whoever can afford to pay for them (invariably, that means dodgy anonymous foreign backers).
But when you're broke, you can't be too fussy with whoever is picking up the tab.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Soccer’s expansion plans - they will be expanding from the current 12 teams to 16 in 3 years. Canberra and Auckland will be Teams 13 and 14, and will mean that there are now 2 NZ teams in the competition. Team 15 and 16 candidates include Gold Coast, Wollongong and another Brisbane team.

A-Leagues to add Canberra, Auckland teams in $50m expansion

The A-League could also be open to adding teams via promotion from Football Australia’s planned national second division.

amp.smh.com.au

An ABC article on the A-League expansion.

A-Leagues set to expand to Canberra and Auckland for 2024-25 season

The Australian Professional Leagues are set to introduce a men's team to Canberra and a new club to Auckland as they look to expand to blossoming markets.

www.abc.net.au

Interesting how the SMH article name-drops Wollongong and SEQ as the favourites for the next round of expansion, whereas the ABC one mentions Tasmania and Darwin. Is the A-League intending to go to 18 teams? Or will they stop at 16? You'd figure Wollongong and SEQ have more potential to make money, given Wollongong has a very well supported state league team and SEQ is such a big and fast-growing market.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

According to the ABC report, Soccer is looking at Tasmania and Darwin

A-Leagues set to expand to Canberra and Auckland for 2024-25 season

The Australian Professional Leagues are set to introduce a men's team to Canberra and a new club to Auckland as they look to expand to blossoming markets.

amp.abc.net.au

Interesting how the SMH article name-drops Wollongong and SEQ as the favourites for the next round of expansion, whereas the ABC one mentions Tasmania and Darwin. Is the A-League intending to go to 18 teams? Or will they stop at 16? You'd figure Wollongong and SEQ have more potential to make money, given Wollongong has a very well supported state league team and SEQ is such a big and fast-growing market.

yes, I found the SMH/Age stating Wollongong and Queensland as possible expansion areas interesting as well. ABC focused on Darwin and Tasmania for teams 15-16

 

[Kwality]

According to the ABC report, Soccer is looking at Tasmania and Darwin

A-Leagues set to expand to Canberra and Auckland for 2024-25 season

The Australian Professional Leagues are set to introduce a men's team to Canberra and a new club to Auckland as they look to expand to blossoming markets.

amp.abc.net.au

yes, I found the SMH/Age stating Wollongong and Queensland as possible expansion areas interesting as well. ABC focused on Darwin and Tasmania for teams 15-16

Is this chatter related to the move to relegation/promotion ?

 

[RedV3x]

Is this chatter related to the move to relegation/promotion ?

Otherwise they cannot showing it on television.

 

[Kwality]

Picked up some interesting numbers on StanSport and one part of its motorsport coverage*:

Bumper ratings for Shannons SpeedSeries opener - Touring Car Masters

More people are enjoying the Shannons SpeedSeries than ever before, with impressive ratings for the opening round, AWC Race Tasmania. Coverage across Stan Sport and the Nine Network saw more people watching than in 2022, with 175,000 people watching Saturday’s action […]

touringcarmasters.com.au

2023 AWC Race Tasmania Stats:

• 9GEM/9GO Saturday coverage: 175,000 viewers – 22 per cent increase
• Stan Sport Saturday/Sunday: 30 per cent increase
• Stan Sport On Demand: 55 per cent increase year-on-year
• International stream: Average of 90 minutes watched per viewer
• Event attendance: 11,676 – 130 per cent increase

More people are enjoying the Shannons SpeedSeries than ever before, with impressive ratings for the opening round, AWC Race Tasmania.

Coverage across Stan Sport and the Nine Network saw more people watching than in 2022, with 175,000 people watching Saturday’s action on 9GEM and 9GO, a 22 per cent rise year-on-year.

Stan’s extended live coverage saw a total increase in viewership of 30 per cent on the previous year.

On-demand viewership was most impressive, up 55 per cent on Stan Sport, while international streaming saw increased viewership across SpeedSeries.com.au and new international streaming partner, Speedcafe.com.

On the international stream, the average viewer was tuned in for more than 90 minutes. Significant increases in viewers were seen from those watching in the USA and New Zealand in particular.

As well as the live stream, on-demand options for international viewers will also be available from round two onwards.

At the event itself, the in-person attendance increased by a whopping 130 per cent to 11,676 compared to the capped COVID crowd in 2022.

Each round of the Shannons SpeedSeries can be viewed live and ad free on Stan Sport on Saturday and Sunday of each round. Every event also includes three hours of coverage on Saturday via free-to-air network 9GEM and Nine’s digital streaming platform 9Now.

Round two of the Shannons SpeedSeries, the Hi-Tec Oils Bathurst 6 Hour, takes place on 7-9 April at Mount Panorama.

* not to be confused with the Supercars coverage on 7/Foxtel last weekend.

 

[jatz14]

Is this chatter related to the move to relegation/promotion ?

I wouldn't have thought so.

If it related to pro/rel, then wouldn't you just open up 2 spots, and let them be filled by the top 2 second tier teams?

I would go so far as to say this talk of expansion, if true, precludes pro/rel, and indicates they are following an American model.

For there to be an expansion team, in a specified place, that they expect people to pay for and invest in, then being relegated to a second tier in a couple of years time has to be off the table.

And if your serious about pro/rel, then you don't pick the location of the next teams, you let the lower leagues slug it out, and if the winner is no one gives a shitistan from arseduck nowhere, that's your next team and next location.

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[Gigantor]

When the selling of license fees is such a major source of income, it's hard to see how a system of promotion and relegation can operate

 

[jatz14]

When the selling of license fees is such a major source of income, it's hard to see how a system of promotion and relegation can operate

They are practically mutually exclusive.

If you had money and wanted an Aleague team, just buy the Midland whatever's for a bag of chips, then buy a bunch of half decent pro players and boom, you have an A league club. Why buy a licence for millions, would make no sense.

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[BobbyMorri]

The governing of the A-league atm is a joke. Expansion only works if you do the groundwork. You can't just pop 2 teams and expect them to be successful. The A-league can't even sell the grand final successfully to its own fans. Probably couldn't organise a chook raffle. I have little faith here.

At least this time, they have picked regions that don't have a team already so isn't going to cannibalise the existing teams. W. United and Macarthur Bulls have been such a dismal failure.

On successful expansions and growing comps, the NBL just finished the season. Heard on the telecast that they broke the highest crowd ever in an NBL match. (just over 18K). They also had the highest total attendance since 1995/96.

 

[Rob]

When the selling of license fees is such a major source of income, it's hard to see how a system of promotion and relegation can operate

If they're going to 16 teams, how many more licences can they sell after that? And how much will they be worth, especially if the TV rights take another dive?

Ponzi schemes eventually catch up on you.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

If they're going to 16 teams, how many more licences can they sell after that? And how much will they be worth, especially if the TV rights take another dive?

Ponzi schemes eventually catch up on you.

Haven't you heard? The Sleeping Giant is about to awaken!

No, really, it really is this time.

Really!



(pause)



(longer pause)




... um...

 

[RedV3x]

If it related to pro/rel, then wouldn't you just open up 2 spots, and let them be filled by the top 2 second tier teams?

It's a problem that faces ALL national sports in Australia. - what model works best.

The NRL is reasonably balanced with one big team and the rest a reasonable size.
The AFL is unbalanced with half big teams and half reasonable sized teams.
The A.L. is arguably the most unbalanced with half reasonable teams and the rest boutique-sized teams.

IMO promotion/relegation would be an ideal solution for soccer as that is acceptable in the soccer world. It would be a long-term solution,
however, in the current situation it seems that soccer will simply take the money and run.
Where have we seen that before and where has that worked/

I would go so far as to say this talk of expansion, if true, precludes pro/rel, and indicates they are following an American model.

If you are going to make comparisons with other organisations with the idea of gleening some insight then you
must acknowledge the differences between the two entities.

The U.S.A. is the same size as Australia with 14x the population.
The U.S.A.has 50 states compared to 6 Australian.
The U.S.A. has any number of cities without an NFL team.
Those places are crying out for an NFL team or a substitute elite sport - tailor made ofr MLS.
If Australia was to mimic the North American model then then national leagues would be decidedly smaller.

The A.L has two options -promotion/relegation or the bastardized Australian model
because the American model would be 5 teams only.

 

[Aussie in exile]

What is the possible relevance of that factoid apart from supporting the premise that rugby league is an english sport?

Yes, we know, rugby league broke away from the rugby football union in the north of england in 1895. The Rugby football union was formed in 1871 in England taking its name from the rugby school which was probably the primary propagator of the games that informed the rugby rules. This is why both are, in the first instance, english sports.

ALL Football have their origins in the British Isles, and i mean ALL
Cricket is an English game, and if it wasn't for Cricket there wouldn't be Australian football

 

[Bjo187]

ALL Football have their origins in the British Isles, and i mean ALL
Cricket is an English game, and if it wasn't for Cricket there wouldn't be Australian football

Lol you could say that about pretty much anything invented in the world at any stage during history 'it has it's routes from'. Every single thing comes from somewhere originally, it doesn't mean it isn't a new invention. Every English sport originally comes from Greece, coz they invented the Olympics, which involves sporting competition and running, so really, soccer is Greek.

 

[RedV3x]

ALL Football have their origins in the British Isles, and i mean ALL

Just how ignorant and arrogant are you?
So arguably the oldest football, Marngrook is English?
Did you know the Celts had organised games well before the English emerged from their communal fights laughably called "football".
Those Gaelic games continue to this day. Golf and hockey are two examples of sport developed from these games.
Colonial football in Australia was drawing huge crowds with it's sophisticated play before soccer got their act together.

Cricket is an English game,

And like rugby was imposed by the British Empire and wasn't taken up by the rest of the world.

and if it wasn't for Cricket there wouldn't be Australian football

If it wasn't for Australian Football, cricket would be a lot less popular in Australia.
One popular suggestion that football would be good for cricketers never really eventuated.
It was the experimentation of football in private schools got the ball rolling.
After that it was community football clubs that are responsible for the popularity of Australian Football,
so popular that cricket has been jealous ever since and followers of the English game of rugby were so jealous that
they tried everything in their power to stop the spread of Australian Football (much like the NRL today)

 

[Kwality]

If it wasn't for Australian Football, cricket would be a lot less popular in Australia.
One popular suggestion that football would be good for cricketers never really eventuated.
It was the experimentation of football in private schools got the ball rolling.
After that it was community football clubs that are responsible for the popularity of Australian Football,
so popular that cricket has been jealous ever since and followers of the English game of rugby were so jealous that
they tried everything in their power to stop the spread of Australian Football (much like the NRL today)

Read many explanations, never this one. Was this Australia wide, or just the 'heartland States' ?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Fifa admits defeat over Saudi sponsorship of Women’s World Cup

Fifa has admitted defeat over plans to make Visit Saudi a sponsor of this year’s Women’s World Cup after a huge backlash from organisers and players

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Educator]

Lol you could say that about pretty much anything invented in the world at any stage during history 'it has it's routes from'. Every single thing comes from somewhere originally, it doesn't mean it isn't a new invention. Every English sport originally comes from Greece, coz they invented the Olympics, which involves sporting competition and running, so really, soccer is Greek.

There was actually a Roman game called Harpustrum that there is a legitimate theory that the modern football codes are ultimate descendants of as there are folk football games mentioned across europe in medieval times

Needless to say, calling Australian football "english" is as dumb as calling pasta a chinese cuisine

 

[RedV3x]

Read many explanations, never this one.

People like to attribute stuff to one man - in this case Tom Wills, because he was "famous" cricketer and made that famous often quoted remark.
But the development of colonial football owes it to the group that ran experimented games and the committee that drew up the rules.
Tom Will's brother-inlaw Henry Harrison is widely recognised as the driving force behind Australian Football, playing the game, chairing the rules commiitte and the Football Council.

Was this Australia wide, or just the 'heartland States' ?

It always amazes me how fast developments travelled before modern times and with the distances concerned.
Colonial Football travelled to all states pretty quickly especially S.A. which somewhat rivaled Victoria and even influenced the rules.
Adelaide and Geelong were major influences on the game. Ballartat and Bendigo were unlucky not to be included in the VFA.
In Perth the soldiers from the "barracks" played the game - it's where we get the term "barracking" from.
Fremantle was a football stronghold back then with three teams in the WAFL.
Colonial was established early on in NSW, but had a chequered career due to being banned from enclosed grounds.
There was less resistance in Queensland but the 'banning" in schools as in Sydeny had dramatic effects.
Colonial Football made it to N.Z. and was the most popular code for a while but still was represented at the 1908 Australasian Football Carnival
defeating both NSW and Qld.

 

[Our Game]

"Tom Will's brother-inlaw Henry Harrison is widely recognised as the driving force behind Australian Football, playing the game, chairing the rules committee and the Australian Football Council."

Harrison lived for decades after his cousin Tom Wills died by suicide in 1880 and he wasn't backward in promoting himself as the founder of Victorian/Australian Football.
He was also a VP of the Victorian Football Association from its formation in 1877.

 

[RedV3x]

"Tom Will's brother-inlaw Henry Harrison is widely recognised as the driving force behind Australian Football, playing the game, chairing the rules committee and the Australian Football Council."

Harrison lived for decades after his cousin Tom Wills died by suicide in 1880 and he wasn't backward in promoting himself as the founder of Victorian/Australian Football.
He was also a VP of the Victorian Football Association from its formation in 1877.

It's a pity that the aborigines had no vehicle to promote Marngrook as a major influence on the game.

 

[The_Wookie]

It's a pity that the aborigines had no vehicle to promote Marngrook as a major influence on the game.

Theres a history forum for a reason guys. Move it on.