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Once again SBS main channel beat Ten's main channel in percentage of viewers during prime time.
That's the 4th week in a row that's happened.
Having said that, 72k is probably better than I was expecting for the A-League last night.
I'm guessing the crowd was around the 3k mark, the whole outer wing was closed off and not used.
 

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Once again SBS main channel beat Ten's main channel in percentage of viewers during prime time.
That's the 4th week in a row that's happened.
Having said that, 72k is probably better than I was expecting for the A-League last night.
I'm guessing the crowd was around the 3k mark, the whole outer wing was closed off and not used.

Would the demographic have been okay for Ten?
 

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Once again SBS main channel beat Ten's main channel in percentage of viewers during prime time.
That's the 4th week in a row that's happened.
Having said that, 72k is probably better than I was expecting for the A-League last night.
I'm guessing the crowd was around the 3k mark, the whole outer wing was closed off and not used.

Yeah, the BBL game was called off. It's not a co-incidence that the last few weeks of A-League was up against the cricket and had by far the worst ratings on 10, whereas this week it wasn't so no doubt a few of those people that would normally watch the BBL did some channel surfing. Still horrible numbers though that 10 can't be happy with.
 

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Looking at the TV numbers a bit more.
Incredibly, on the multis, the ABC got first spot with 121k, with the midday news! (just about the worst rating time slot of the whole week).
They also got 2nd spot with Spicks and Specks, shown on ABCKids with 108k. That was actually on at the same time as the soccer, I flicked to it at various moments during the soccer.
You might think, ok, it's a good show and all, except it was a repeat of a show from many years ago.
I mean seriously, if the A-League shown on the main channel of a commercial FTA can't beat a 10 year old episode of Spicks and Specks, shown on ABCKids, then to be frank, there's no hope for it.
 

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Looking at the TV numbers a bit more.
Incredibly, on the multis, the ABC got first spot with 121k, with the midday news! (just about the worst rating time slot of the whole week).
They also got 2nd spot with Spicks and Specks, shown on ABCKids with 108k. That was actually on at the same time as the soccer, I flicked to it at various moments during the soccer.
You might think, ok, it's a good show and all, except it was a repeat of a show from many years ago.
I mean seriously, if the A-League shown on the main channel of a commercial FTA can't beat a 10 year old episode of Spicks and Specks, shown on ABCKids, then to be frank, there's no hope for it.

there's no hope for it.
As you say over & over.
 

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The problems for the Aus Open as a "grand slam event' - there are many keen to take Australia's spot:

Australian Open as a grand slam can't afford PR problems
The potential for reputational damage to the Australian Open is wider than this one issue, however.

Tennis Australia has a contract to hold the Australian Open in Melbourne until 2039, but Tiley is already on the record warning of the pressure on organisers to get things right in order to keep grand slam status.

“Even though we have a contract until 2039 for the government, it doesn’t mean that if we didn’t have the event for a few years and another country put in a lot of money for a big event that it’s easy to play at, then they [top players] wouldn’t come here," Tiley told SEN radio last February.

“The only reason we get the players here is because we offer a lot of prize money and we spend a lot of time pursuing them to come.

“The other grand slams they played last year, they didn’t have to fly so far or do 14 days of quarantine, so we have to overcome those and get the top players to play here."

Challenges remaining
A wide angle view looking down at the stands and showcourt at Rod Laver Arena with the Melbourne skyline in the distance.
It's pitched as the grand slam of the Asia Pacific, but does the Australian Open really represent the region?
Read more


One of the realities that flow from this is that the Australian Open needs everything to go right to maintain its support levels.

The players need to be willing to undergo long-haul travel, and cope with whatever conditions — COVID-related or otherwise — that apply at the tournament.
 

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One for the golfers:

'The Foxtel Group has signed an agreement with the PGA Tour of Australasia which will see the 2022 golf season live and exclusive on Foxtel and Kayo, which will air between 13-16 January.

Over 100 hours of live Australasian golf coverage will be broadcast, including the Australian PGA Championship and VIC Open which will both also be available live and free on Kayo Freebies.'
 

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Re the tennis, the risk of losing it might help explain why all levels of government were willing to turn a blind eye to the two "independent"' bodies handing out exemptions willy nilly. As it happens, one of the "independent" bodies was put together by Tennis Australia itself. Well, knock me down with feather!
When the sh*t hit the fan, everyone was pointing the finger at everyone else, but it would appear that no one actually handed out the original visa to allow Djokovic to board a plane to Australia.
So what if it means Australia loses the Open.
Melbourne, and Australia more broadly, need to lose this habit of thinking they need to host these events to somehow be relevant to the rest of the world.
When you already have the best country in the world, you don't have to prove anything to anyone.
 

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Re the tennis, the risk of losing it might help explain why all levels of government were willing to turn a blind eye to the two "independent"' bodies handing out exemptions willy nilly. As it happens, one of the "independent" bodies was put together by Tennis Australia itself. Well, knock me down with feather!
When the sh*t hit the fan, everyone was pointing the finger at everyone else, but it would appear that no one actually handed out the original visa to allow Djokovic to board a plane to Australia.
So what if it means Australia loses the Open.
Melbourne, and Australia more broadly, need to lose this habit of thinking they need to host these events to somehow be relevant to the rest of the world.
When you already have the best country in the world, you don't have to prove anything to anyone.

It is a tourism winner for Australia & it will never be back if we lose it. No different to other international sports. There is a long lists of other countries/cities/venues looking for an opening.

Whats happened here is an indictment of a lack of common sense amongst our bureaucrats at all levels of government. Politicians play politics.
 

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The problems for the Aus Open as a "grand slam event' - there are many keen to take Australia's spot:

Australian Open as a grand slam can't afford PR problems
The potential for reputational damage to the Australian Open is wider than this one issue, however.

Tennis Australia has a contract to hold the Australian Open in Melbourne until 2039, but Tiley is already on the record warning of the pressure on organisers to get things right in order to keep grand slam status.

“Even though we have a contract until 2039 for the government, it doesn’t mean that if we didn’t have the event for a few years and another country put in a lot of money for a big event that it’s easy to play at, then they [top players] wouldn’t come here," Tiley told SEN radio last February.

“The only reason we get the players here is because we offer a lot of prize money and we spend a lot of time pursuing them to come.

“The other grand slams they played last year, they didn’t have to fly so far or do 14 days of quarantine, so we have to overcome those and get the top players to play here."

Challenges remaining
A wide angle view looking down at the stands and showcourt at Rod Laver Arena with the Melbourne skyline in the distance.
It's pitched as the grand slam of the Asia Pacific, but does the Australian Open really represent the region?
Read more


One of the realities that flow from this is that the Australian Open needs everything to go right to maintain its support levels.

The players need to be willing to undergo long-haul travel, and cope with whatever conditions — COVID-related or otherwise — that apply at the tournament.
Bulldust!The Australian Openaint going nowhere any time soon!

Oh and BTW The Open and Melbourne are getting Billions of dollars of free publicity all around the world and being introduced to millions of people who have never heard of the Australian Tennis Open and Melbourne before!
The other thing is Novak Djokovic is not that well liked as many people see him as a cheat always pushing the boundries esp when it comes to fake injury breaks.

As the old saying goes 'There's no such thing as bad publicity' Phineas T. Barnum, the 19th century American showman and circus owner.
 

weewilly

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Re the tennis, the risk of losing it might help explain why all levels of government were willing to turn a blind eye to the two "independent"' bodies handing out exemptions willy nilly. As it happens, one of the "independent" bodies was put together by Tennis Australia itself. Well, knock me down with feather!
When the sh*t hit the fan, everyone was pointing the finger at everyone else, but it would appear that no one actually handed out the original visa to allow Djokovic to board a plane to Australia.
So what if it means Australia loses the Open.
Melbourne, and Australia more broadly, need to lose this habit of thinking they need to host these events to somehow be relevant to the rest of the world.
When you already have the best country in the world, you don't have to prove anything to anyone.
Sorry mate you are 100% wrong the Tennis Open, Moto GP and the F1 have really put Melbourne on the map world wide and the reason why before Coivid hit Melbourne tourism was rapidly catching up to Sydney which has natural advantages the Melbourne does not have!
 

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Bulldust!The Australian Openaint going nowhere any time soon!

Oh and BTW The Open and Melbourne are getting Billions of dollars of free publicity all around the world and being introduced to millions of people who have never heard of the Australian Tennis Open and Melbourne before!
The other thing is Novak Djokovic is not that well liked as many people see him as a cheat always pushing the boundries esp when it comes to fake injury breaks.

As the old saying goes 'There's no such thing as bad publicity' Phineas T. Barnum, the 19th century American showman and circus owner.

You'd be aware of concern before this fiasco OR is the suggestion a first? TA have scored an own goal.
 

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'This is the smoking gun that proves Tennis Australia wrongly — and knowingly — told the world’s best tennis players, including Novak Djokovic, how they could play in the first grand slam of the year even though they knew the proper rules for players who were unvaccinated against Covid was not as clear cut.

But the problem is that the information forwarded to the ATP and players was incorrect, and Tennis Australia had already been told that.

SCROLL DOWN TO READ THE DOCUMENT IN FULL'


'buy the paper'
 
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Sorry mate you are 100% wrong the Tennis Open, Moto GP and the F1 have really put Melbourne on the map world wide and the reason why before Coivid hit Melbourne tourism was rapidly catching up to Sydney which has natural advantages the Melbourne does not have!

Well, early days of COVID and there was a real concern that the economy would take a massive hit because of the loss of inbound tourism.
The truth is, as far as the Australian economy is concerned, the value of outbound tourism exceeds the value of inbound tourism, so the Australian economy was actually better off with no ability for anyone to fly in or out of the country.
With these big sports events, the majority of Australians couldn't give a damn about them.
 

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Well, early days of COVID and there was a real concern that the economy would take a massive hit because of the loss of inbound tourism.
The truth is, as far as the Australian economy is concerned, the value of outbound tourism exceeds the value of inbound tourism, so the Australian economy was actually better off with no ability for anyone to fly in or out of the country.
With these big sports events, the majority of Australians couldn't give a damn about them.

You're right, but weewilly isn't wrong either. Major sports events might not give the direct tourism benefit of people coming to see the event itself, but they do provide 'brand awareness' for the city. It's why city based events give a lot better value dollar for dollar than country based events like world cups and the like.
 

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Well, early days of COVID and there was a real concern that the economy would take a massive hit because of the loss of inbound tourism.
The truth is, as far as the Australian economy is concerned, the value of outbound tourism exceeds the value of inbound tourism, so the Australian economy was actually better off with no ability for anyone to fly in or out of the country.
With these big sports events, the majority of Australians couldn't give a damn about them.
The highest-rated sporting event held in Australia was Safin v Hewitt, men's final 2005(4 million metro). 2 million watched Ash Barty last year at Wimbledon, which was held at 11pm-1am AEST

Nine pays $60 mil a year to broadcast the Aussie Open. While the Open is on, Nine dominates ratings and gets to plug all of its shows. There is a reason why nine won the ratings war in Feb-April.

For me, The Australian Open is the largest yearly sporting event held in this country. No other event would get 1 million people watching in the USA or have a 20% rating share for Kei Nishikori matches in Japan. Only the F1 would go close to matching its audience around the world. And as someone who has worked at the open, I can tell you first-hand how popular this event is with tourists, especially Kei Nishikori matches.

The Australian Open doesn't just help Melbourne either. Hobart, Adelaide Brisbane and Perth all host top-class tennis which would not happen if Melbourne didn't host one of the four majors.

Need I go on???
 

Gigantor

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The highest-rated sporting event held in Australia was Safin v Hewitt, men's final 2005(4 million metro). 2 million watched Ash Barty last year at Wimbledon, which was held at 11pm-1am AEST

Nine pays $60 mil a year to broadcast the Aussie Open. While the Open is on, Nine dominates ratings and gets to plug all of its shows. There is a reason why nine won the ratings war in Feb-April.

For me, The Australian Open is the largest yearly sporting event held in this country. No other event would get 1 million people watching in the USA or have a 20% rating share for Kei Nishikori matches in Japan. Only the F1 would go close to matching its audience around the world. And as someone who has worked at the open, I can tell you first-hand how popular this event is with tourists, especially Kei Nishikori matches.

The Australian Open doesn't just help Melbourne either. Hobart, Adelaide Brisbane and Perth all host top-class tennis which would not happen if Melbourne didn't host one of the four majors.

Need I go on???

Yeh, but then again, so what?
The majority of Australians don't actually care about it. And given what Melburnians have put up with the last two years, I reckon the majority of Melburnians don't give a damn about it either.
So bottom line: if various levels of government have to bend over backwards to keep it, meh, just let it go. Same goes for the grand prix, same goes for any sporting event. They really aren't worth all the trouble.
It's not as big a deal as many make out, and those who lobby for it are generally going to be self-serving types in any case.
Government should be focusing on health, education, employment, welfare and defence, matters of real public interest. Circuses should not really come into consideration.
If the circuses are that great, let the private sector put up all the investment.
 

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Yeh, but then again, so what?
The majority of Australians don't actually care about it. And given what Melburnians have put up with the last two years, I reckon the majority of Melburnians don't give a damn about it either.
So bottom line: if various levels of government have to bend over backwards to keep it, meh, just let it go. Same goes for the grand prix, same goes for any sporting event. They really aren't worth all the trouble.
It's not as big a deal as many make out, and those who lobby for it are generally going to be self-serving types in any case.
Government should be focusing on health, education, employment, welfare and defence, matters of real public interest. Circuses should not really come into consideration.
If the circuses are that great, let the private sector put up all the investment.
Sport is health. It gets people active. Sport gets people out and to spend money. Sport gets people visiting locations they normally wouldn't.

Sure, a majority of people couldn't be able to tell which Josh Kennedy plays for Sydney and which plays for the eagles. but a minority does and they spend money or just knowledge.

I don't get MONA, but enough do and it is a big drawcard for this state because of it.
 

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Sport is health. It gets people active. Sport gets people out and to spend money. Sport gets people visiting locations they normally wouldn't.

Sure, a majority of people couldn't be able to tell which Josh Kennedy plays for Sydney and which plays for the eagles. but a minority does and they spend money or just knowledge.

I don't get MONA, but enough do and it is a big drawcard for this state because of it.

Personally, I don't believe elite professional sport has anything to do with achieving broader societal health outcomes.
 

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