Rumour 2022 Rumour Discussion Thread

[Scorpus]

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[LeftyLuke]

This is a myth. An ACL and a shoulder reco. These aren't durability issues.

So many short memories on this board regarding Doedee.

Doedee has had soft tissue injuries as well. Was ruled out of the 2nd half of the abridged 2020 season with a bad hamstring. Some of his injuries like the finger wasn't his fault but his body is far from durable.

 

[feenix67]

How could 2019 have possibly cut the mustard when he missed basically the entire season with an ACL?

These are the types of short memories I'm referring to. Stats wise, he has been particularly consistent across all years aside from his ACL season. You could argue that he was less effective in 2022, bur you could also make a case for the type of role he was playing, the relative weakness of our side and his obvious injury concerns. He neither lacks durability nor talent, despite what the naysayers peddle.

 

[feenix67]

Doedee has had soft tissue injuries as well. Was ruled out of the 2nd half of the abridged 2020 season with a bad hamstring. Some of his injuries like the finger wasn't his fault but his body is far from durable.

Yeah, never heard of a bloke having soft tissue problems the year after an ACL. How many games has he subsequently missed with soft tissue problems?

 

[AFC979810]

Another myth, show your work.

If you watched the Crows with your eyes should know that 2018 he was far better than any of his next 4 seasons.

But if its Stats is what you are after?

Has played 5 seasons. 2018 was his best for Disposals / Marks / I50's / DE%. 2nd best season for Score Involvements / Metres Gained / contested marks.

His first 20 games were better than he has produced over his next 50 games.

Its pretty sad that he not only failed to improve, but has regressed over the past 4 seasons.

 

[AFC979810]

How could 2019 have possibly cut the mustard when he missed basically the entire season with an ACL?

Cause he missed the whole season? This is a results based game - not an excuse based game.

 

[feenix67]

If you watched the Crows with your eyes should know that 2018 he was far better than any of his next 4 seasons.

But if its Stats is what you are after?

Has played 5 seasons. 2018 was his best for Disposals / Marks / I50's / DE%. 2nd best season for Score Involvements / Metres Gained / contested marks.

His first 20 games were better than he has produced over his next 50 games.

Its pretty sad that he not only failed to improve, but has regressed over the past 4 seasons.

If you watched with your own eyes, you'd note the complete reconfiguration of our defence since 2018 and the subsequent change in his role.

And if you looked at stats with your eyes you'd note that the gap between his best and worst, year on year, is marginal. He's been crazily consistent stats wise.

 

[AFC979810]

Seems a bit unfair to say you’d like to see something and at the same time there’s no one on our list yiu think fits the bill for it

Really the only left field risky options I can see are a Thilthorpe, berry, soligo type but that’s not Tex type risk that’s Grimes Trengove stuff

Look - I don't know the inner workings. Perhaps Dawson is the right choice.

I don't think it's an unfair position as a fan to point out an issue, without knowing the solution. I am not paid the big bucks to figure that shit out.

Perhaps waiting another year and leaving Sloane as the Captain gives someone from the Berry/Tilthorpe/Rankine/Dawson/Doedee/Butts/Soligio group a chance to step up. Perhaps leaving Sloane as captain gives us another year to work out whether Nicks is a donkey or can be a goat.

 

[Danger in Texas]

This whole captaincy discussion is a bit whatever to me, as long as Sloane doesn’t keep it. Needs to be a transition year, before we make our way up the ladder

Either Dawson or Doedee would be fine for me, both would bring something different to the role

I would have had Keays in contention as well, had his performance not fallen off over the course of 2022

 

[AFC979810]

If you watched with your own eyes, you'd note the complete reconfiguration of our defence since 2018 and the subsequent change in his role.

And if you looked at stats with your eyes you'd note that the gap between his best and worst, year on year, is marginal. He's been crazily consistent stats wise.

Disregarding 2019 (ACL), 2020 (Recovery) - where has Doedee's improvement come? You talk of his consistency - thats one way to put it. I say he peaked in 2018 and hasn't improved over the next 4 years.

In 2018 - Talia took the #1 defender. In 2021/2022 Butts took the #1 Defender.
In 2018 - Keath/Hartigan were the #2 Defender for the majority of the games. In 2021/2022 Murray was the #2 defender for the majority of the games.

I will say - he slips over about 4,000 more times per game in 2021/2022 than he did in 2018. (not an exaggeration).

 

[AFC979810]

This whole captaincy discussion is a bit whatever to me, as long as Sloane doesn’t keep it. Needs to be a transition year, before we make our way up the ladder

Either Dawson or Doedee would be fine for me, both would bring something different to the role

I would have had Keays in contention as well, had his performance not fallen off over the course of 2022

If its a transition year - why not keep the incumbent?

Why risk pissing off a Doedee / Dawson by giving them a taste and taking it away with the possibility of going a different direction during the transition.

 

[Scorpus]

Cause he missed the whole season? This is a results based game - not an excuse based game.

So are you suggesting his lack of improvement in 2019 due to his ACL injury is his fault? In other words his ACL injury was his fault?

 

[LeftyLuke]

If its a transition year - why not keep the incumbent?

Why risk pissing off a Doedee / Dawson by giving them a taste and taking it away with the possibility of going a different direction during the transition.

Because someone like Dawson may want the captaincy and be good at it unlike Sloane. Sloane's time has passed, he isn't even best 22 anymore.

 

[Danger in Texas]

If its a transition year - why not keep the incumbent?

Why risk pissing off a Doedee / Dawson by giving them a taste and taking it away with the possibility of going a different direction during the transition.

1) not sure if Sloane’s spot is/should be guaranteed
2) you’d appoint Dawson/Doedee with the intention of giving them about a five-year term, I reckon. Someone like Berry or Soligo won’t be ready for the role at the end of 2023, anyway - they’d be primed by the time 2027 comes around, though

 

[George CantStandYa]

This is a myth. An ACL and a shoulder reco. These aren't durability issues.

So many short memories on this board regarding Doedee.

Of course they are, he had injuries when we grabbed him took, some blokes just find a way to get injured.

In 2019 he played 1, 2020 9, he played most games but was playing injured from round 5. If I remember correctly he was carrying injuries last year too.

 

[AFC979810]

So are you suggesting his lack of improvement in 2019 due to his ACL injury is his fault? In other words his ACL injury was his fault?

No - I am suggesting he hasn't improved on his 2018 season.

Why - is irrelevant. His best season was 2018. His next 4 seasons he didn't improve.

 

[weekend at bernies]

Disregarding 2019 (ACL), 2020 (Recovery) - where has Doedee's improvement come? You talk of his consistency - thats one way to put it. I say he peaked in 2018 and hasn't improved over the next 4 years.

In 2018 - Talia took the #1 defender. In 2021/2022 Butts took the #1 Defender.
In 2018 - Keath/Hartigan were the #2 Defender for the majority of the games. In 2021/2022 Murray was the #2 defender for the majority of the games.

I will say - he slips over about 4,000 more times per game in 2021/2022 than he did in 2018. (not an exaggeration).

So he has gone from having solid experienced defenders next to him to flaky kids.. no wonder his stats have dropped off.

 

[AFC979810]

So he has gone from having solid experienced defenders next to him to flaky kids.. no wonder his stats have dropped off.

So he has dropped off?

 

[feenix67]

Disregarding 2019 (ACL), 2020 (Recovery) - where has Doedee's improvement come? You talk of his consistency - thats one way to put it. I say he peaked in 2018 and hasn't improved over the next 4 years.

In 2018 - Talia took the #1 defender. In 2021/2022 Butts took the #1 Defender.
In 2018 - Keath/Hartigan were the #2 Defender for the majority of the games. In 2021/2022 Murray was the #2 defender for the majority of the games.

I will say - he slips over about 4,000 more times per game in 2021/2022 than he did in 2018. (not an exaggeration).

What a shock, 187cm player isn't a key defender. What a shock, 22 year old struggles with soft tissue injuries the year after he returns from an ACL. FMD.

His role (and the make-up of the defence) has changed considerably since his first season. You could argue that he isn't being used correctly and shouldn't have been selected at times due to the shoulder this season, and I'd agree. But you just don't know football if you think Tom Doedee isn't best 22 and probably in the first half a dozen picked in our side every week.

 

[thebirdman 24]

was playing with one arm. if you cant see hes a warrior you are blind. i assure you the other two things do matter.

who do you suggest?

Dawson clearly.

We are bereft of other good options though. It's a two horse race.

Playing injured doesn't make one a 'warrior' it can make them a liability and selfish. We have seen countless examples of over the past 5 years at the club.

Injuries doesn't give him an excuse to play poorly. Know your limits, take a couple of weeks off and get right. Don't drag down the team because you like continuity.

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[AFC979810]

What a shock, 187cm player isn't a key defender. What a shock, 22 year old struggles with soft tissue injuries the year after he returns from an ACL. FMD.

His role (and the make-up of the defence) has changed considerably since his first season. You could argue that he isn't being used correctly and shouldn't have been selected at times due to the shoulder this season, and I'd agree. But you just don't know football if you think Tom Doedee isn't best 22 and probably in the first half a dozen picked in our side every week.

Thats a lot of words you tried to put in my mouth.

Never said any of those things.

 

[CROW in BALI]

I did hear that Rachele is insanely strong. Apparently lifts weights that guys who have been at the club for many years struggle to get near.
Very explosive in his strength.

Young Italian kid from the fruit blocks who started as a star forward with a bit of attitude pushing big tin went ok last time .

 

[spenze]

Still think Ned ticks all the boxes for being a great decade long captain.

I can picture him and the opposition captain walking up for the coin toss, the oppo captain sticks his hand out to shake hands and Ned staring at him and saying "**** off, I don't shake hands with dickheads".

 

[MRB37]

Disregarding 2019 (ACL), 2020 (Recovery) - where has Doedee's improvement come? You talk of his consistency - thats one way to put it. I say he peaked in 2018 and hasn't improved over the next 4 years.

In 2018 - Talia took the #1 defender. In 2021/2022 Butts took the #1 Defender.
In 2018 - Keath/Hartigan were the #2 Defender for the majority of the games. In 2021/2022 Murray was the #2 defender for the majority of the games.

I will say - he slips over about 4,000 more times per game in 2021/2022 than he did in 2018. (not an exaggeration).

That's our entire team.

 

[Jello_B]

Dawson is the sensible choice otherwise you have to wait for someone to show consistency (Berry) or wait for someone to emerge (Thithorpe), anyway you just need to be patient here. With such a young list someone will hopefully boil up.

 

[AFC979810]

That's our entire team.

Joint Captains?