News 2022 St Kilda Media Thread

[gringo2011]

Not sure we were trying to play perfect football. We were very stagnant and 1 dimensional with King as you said our main target. I think only Peter Wright was targeted more for a forward in the comp. I'm confident our structure and movement will be much better with our new coaching group. Steele and Gresh, can also rotate forward more and hopefully hit the scoreboard. Higgins has shown he can be a gun small forward. I think we actually need a 2nd key forward to be a serious threat - hopefully Battle / Hayes or Sharman can do that next year

Having King run leads would make a huge difference. It's like making a golfer play every shot with his putter at the moment.

 

[phantom13]

Having King run leads would make a huge difference. It's like making a golfer play every shot with his putter at the moment.

Imagine the space he’d leave when 3 blokes go with him on the lead.

Kozi was maligned for a long time but he tore out of the square when he led and left a massive hole behind him (which Roo was often drifting back into from burning a defender up and back).

 

[FQFjt]

Someone else has mentioned this but I reckon Jones is worth a crack as a small forward. Has the speed and tenacity to put on good forward pressure, and decent goal sense too.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Cornes’ job is literally to create headlines like he did there. Pretty much everything he says should be disregarded.

To be fair, there is a lot of pressure on him to keep producing a high volume of his signature crap.

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[Dard Ball Get]

Having King run leads would make a huge difference. It's like making a golfer play every shot with his putter at the moment.

Leave the golf talk to Mowman and I mate, just focus on getting past the Ladies Tees

 

[tomjoad]

I get your point my frustration with the media especially people like Cornes and Barrett is they have created this narrative which at times I agree is warranted but we are constantly put in this position as a club with no clue or idea regardless of what we do. I would hate to see what this negative media has done to us in terms of member and potentially trades..

Barrett goes for North. He bags the Saints because it deflects from his s**t show of a club. Bear in mind he has to wear that face of his until the day he dies. It must be hard for him. Show compassion.
Cornes is going through some sort of crisis, is more blonde than Barbie, and more orange than an oompah-lumpa...I suspect his hormones are everywhere. It must be difficult for him, we should be sympathetic or whatever.

 

[GYoung]

22/11/2022
This is The Inner Sanctum’s top 50 power rankings for 2022.

1. Will Ashcroft – Vic Metro
2. Aaron Cadman – Vic Country
3. George Wardlaw – Vic Metro
4. Harry Sheezel – Vic Metro
5. Bailey Humphrey – Vic Country
6. Elijah Tsatas – Vic Metro
7. Reuben Ginbey – WA
8. Jedd Busslinger – WA
9. Mattaes Phillipou – SA
10. Jhye Clark – Vic Country
11. Cam Mackenzie – Vic Metro
12. Elijah Hewett – WA
13. Oliver Hollands – Vic Country
14. Josh Weddle – Vic Metro
15. Isaac Keeler – SA
16. Brayden George – Vic Country
17. Henry Hustwaite – Vic Country
18. Lewis Hayes – Vic Metro
19. Alwyn Davey Jnr – Vic Metro
20. Jaspa Fletcher – Allies
21. Matthew Jefferson – Vic Metro
22. Lachlan Cowan – Allies
23. Jacob Konstanty – Vic Country
24. Ed Allan – WA
25. Harry Barnett – SA
26. Darcy Jones – WA
27. Jakob Ryan – SA
28. Olli Hotton – Vic Metro
29. Charlie Clarke – Vic Metro
30. Anthony Munkara – Allies
31. Jaxon Binns – Vic Country
32. Max Gruzewski – Vic Country
33. Adam D’Aloia – SA
34. Mitch Szybkowski – Vic Country
35. Coby Burgiel – Vic Country
36. Max Michalanney – SA
37. Jed Hagan – WA
38. Harry Rowston – Allies
39. Sam Gilbey – WA
40. Tom McCallum – Allies
41. Billy Dowling – SA
42. James Van Es – Vic Country
43. Cooper Harvey – Vic Metro
44. Jackson Broadbent – WA
45. Jason Gillbee – Allies
46. Jaiden Magor – SA
47. Blake Drury – Vic Metro
48. Kaleb Smith – WA
49. Harvey Gallagher – Vic Country
50. Tom Scully – SA

 

[phantom13]

Someone else has mentioned this but I reckon Jones is worth a crack as a small forward. Has the speed and tenacity to put on good forward pressure, and decent goal sense too.

As in Zac Jones?

 

[phantom13]

I wasn’t being a smart ass I was checking it’s not some free agent etc I didn’t know of!

 

[FQFjt]

As in Zac Jones?

Lol yes. Disagree?

 

[CaptainRisky]

I get your point my frustration with the media especially people like Cornes and Barrett is they have created this narrative which at times I agree is warranted but we are constantly put in this position as a club with no clue or idea regardless of what we do. I would hate to see what this negative media has done to us in terms of member and potentially trades..

So take it out of the media's hands and win some games then they wont be relevant , its about time this club and supporters stop blaming everyone else and just do what they are supposed to do ,,,, win games and flags

 

[phantom13]

Lol yes. Disagree?

Hahahaha no no agree wholeheartedly.

I think i mentioned somewhere that our permanent forwards should probably be King, Hayes/Marshall/Membrey (as in one of them parked forward one in the ruck and one floating as a high half forward) then Butler.

IMO, Higgins, Gresh, Jones, Owens, Steele, Windy, Nas, Wood all roll between forward and mid at different times. The bolded spending more time forward than the non bolded.

Crouch, Ross and whoever is on the wings (assume Hill, D-Mac swapping with Nas and Wood) essentially stay as "full time" mids.

This means we have fresh mids, were constantly rotating and not letting the backline settle on opponents and structure and we get confusion in the defence.

It probably seems more complex than intended but rolling changes based on the 6-10 minute spells and rests its actually pretty simple.

 

[phantom13]

FWIW i think we also have a backline/midfield rotation too, far less numbers and complexity but essentially Sinclair, Clark, Coff, Paton (depending on progress from his leg etc) spend some time in the midfield too but essentially move off the loose half back role. Dont want as many changes cause we want to settle back there but use the different strengths in the midfield from half back too.

 

[Red White Black]

One step at a time: Behind Hayes' resilient journey back from injury

Despite having his debut season wiped through an ACL injury, Jack Hayes' gratitude for being on an AFL list hasn't wavered as he closes in on a return.

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[SteeleSaints]

FWIW i think we also have a backline/midfield rotation too, far less numbers and complexity but essentially Sinclair, Clark, Coff, Paton (depending on progress from his leg etc) spend some time in the midfield too but essentially move off the loose half back role. Dont want as many changes cause we want to settle back there but use the different strengths in the midfield from half back too.

Not that Im an AFL expert, but I coached a lot of years in country footy and from my experience rotating players from defence to midfield never seemed to work, unless they were taggers.

It is a completely different mind set, midfielders are see ball get ball types where as defenders have to be thinking about where their opponent are before they bounce off.

Sinclair maybe one player who can do both as he reads the play so well, but I wouldnt be doing it with others.

 

[phantom13]

Not that Im an AFL expert, but I coached a lot of years in country footy and from my experience rotating players from defence to midfield never seemed to work, unless they were taggers.

It is a completely different mind set, midfielders are see ball get ball types where as defenders have to be thinking about where their opponent are before they bounce off.

Sinclair maybe one player who can do both as he reads the play so well, but I wouldnt be doing it with others.

So i played a reasonable level of footy and have a couple of mates in the afl system in different capacities.

Its not complex for those guys now, its actually pretty bog standard. Truthfully very few mids are see ball get ball types now. That sort of stuff is reserved for Cripps, Martin, Steele types. The rest all have a role. Inside, Outside, Defensive, Spacer, Tagger.

Take Windy as an example, hed be defensive/tag then as a forward hed be pressure.
Jones is a spacer/outside then a s a forward pressure, goal sneak.

Its not hard for the mid/fwds but that much movement makes it really had for the oppo defence.


EDIT - Just read your talking defenders... Yeh thats fair but i am also talking about one position for defenders (Sinclair/Coff and Clark/Paton as the more loosish defenders anyway). Im not wedded to the idea and if we want a more settled back 6 id be totally fine with that too. Just think those four guys could offer the midfield something as well.

 

[ScrappyDo]

FWIW i think we also have a backline/midfield rotation too, far less numbers and complexity but essentially Sinclair, Clark, Coff, Paton (depending on progress from his leg etc) spend some time in the midfield too but essentially move off the loose half back role. Dont want as many changes cause we want to settle back there but use the different strengths in the midfield from half back too.

I actually think the opposite will be true. The lack of a genuine CHB has meant they've utilized a swarm of mediums to get the job done in particular to contest the incoming high ball. I might be over playing what use Cordy might be, but getting a bigger unit to contests lets the others slip off and become attacking, which in turn allows for the use of midfileders rotating in that role.
Pato Cordy Wilkie
Coff Doogs Batts

Sincs, Ross, Jones, Clark

 

[phantom13]

I actually think the opposite will be true. The lack of a genuine CHB has meant they've utilized a swarm of mediums to get the job done in particular to contest the incoming high ball. I might be over playing what use Cordy might be, but getting a bigger unit to contests lets the others slip off and become attacking, which in turn allows for the use of midfileders rotating in that role.
Pato Cordy Wilkie
Coff Doogs Batts

Sincs, Ross, Jones, Clark

Don’t hate it but honestly think Cordy isn’t best 22.

 

[phantom13]

I don’t get this idea that Cordy is a bigger body than Battle or a more “true” CHB/FB.

Depending where you look he’s somewhere between 1 and 4 cms taller and 1 and 4 kgs heavier.

Battle looks stronger in the contest (seriously he’s an absolute prick in a one on one, scraps, scrags, holds, claws) he’s quicker a better mark, more mobile, better by foot.

I can’t understand anyone who thinks Cordy takes his spot and I can’t see how we play Howard, Cordy and Battle (I’m happy to be proven wrong and if Cordy frees up Howard and Battle I will happily eat my words) but if those three are in

Sinclair, Coff, Clark, Paton, Wilkie, Webster are fighting for 3 spots…

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Imagine the space he’d leave when 3 blokes go with him on the lead.

Kozi was maligned for a long time but he tore out of the square when he led and left a massive hole behind him (which Roo was often drifting back into from burning a defender up and back).

Bloody great point Phanto...

One of my pet hates is how chronically disrespected Kosi is by StK supporters.

 

[phantom13]

Bloody great point Phanto...

One of my pet hates is how chronically disrespected Kosi is by StK supporters.

He could have been absolutely anything. Unfortunately not a guy played "well" in a structure and the head injury really stifled him.

If hed played country footy he would have kicked 150 a year for 20 years i reckon.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Don’t hate it but honestly think Cordy isn’t best 22.

Yeah there is that. I really haven't ever noticed him play so I'm not gonna argue but l guess my point was that solving the KPD shortage opens the options fir the choice and role of the smalls.
My No1 wish next year is Ben McKay who'll be an UFA. I think he'll be very hot property.

 

[phantom13]

Yeah there is that. I really haven't ever noticed him play so I'm not gonna argue but l guess my point was that solving the KPD shortage opens the options fir the choice and role of the smalls.
My No1 wish next year is Ben McKay who'll be an UFA. I think he'll be very hot property.

But I don’t think we’re short a KPD. We have Howard at FB, Battle at CHB and Wilkie/Coff for third (or Wilkie at CHB and Battle/Coff for third if you prefer).

Getting McKay would be different, that’s an elite FB that you build the structure around.

Cordy should be at Sandy imo.

 

[ScrappyDo]

But I don’t think we’re short a KPD. We have Howard at FB, Battle at CHB and Wilkie/Coff for third (or Wilkie at CHB and Battle/Coff for third if you prefer).

Getting McKay would be different, that’s an elite FB that you build the structure around.

Cordy should be at Sandy imo.

Agreed. Perhaps Cordy is just replacing the Irish l dunno. I would personally prefer Coff and Batts be less accountable so they can intercept.

 

[phantom13]

Agreed. Perhaps Cordy is just replacing the Irish l dunno. I would personally prefer Coff and Batts be less accountable so they can intercept.

Thats not a bad option but then were a bit top heavy with Battle, Cordy and Howard all playing back IMO.

Its good we have options. Cordy is absolutely better than Darragh.