List Mgmt. 2022 Trade and Free Agency Thread

[Jivlain]

 

[Maverick]

On the Suns board, one of the biggest knock on Bowes is that he is slow.

Lions need more leg speed, not less.

Given he spent parts of the season out of the GC best 22, there is no certainty that he would be in our best 22.

I’ve always thought to trade in a player they really should be in your best 15 (or to fill a positional role). Otherwise, even if Bowes did play off the bench, and pushed out a similar quality player like an Ah Chee or Prior), you end up no better off, but actually worse off due to a greater salary cap squeeze.

 

[Hollow Knight]

On the Suns board, one of the biggest knock on Bowes is that he is slow.

Lions need more leg speed, not less.

Given he spent parts of the season out of the GC best 22, there is no certainty that he would be in our best 22.

I’ve always thought to trade in a player they really should be in your best 15 (or to fill a positional role). Otherwise, even if Bowes did play off the bench, and pushed out a similar quality player like an Ah Chee or Prior), you end up no better off, but actually worse off due to a greater salary cap squeeze.

Yep, give me Conor McKenna over Bowes.

 

[BangyBangy]

If we pull McKenna off then I wouldn't waste time on Bowes - who cares about next year's draft if we can bring in Dunkley, Ashcroft, Gunston, McKenna and Fletcher.

 

[briztoon]

On the Suns board, one of the biggest knock on Bowes is that he is slow.

Lions need more leg speed, not less.

Given he spent parts of the season out of the GC best 22, there is no certainty that he would be in our best 22.

I’ve always thought to trade in a player they really should be in your best 15 (or to fill a positional role). Otherwise, even if Bowes did play off the bench, and pushed out a similar quality player like an Ah Chee or Prior), you end up no better off, but actually worse off due to a greater salary cap squeeze.

He’s not slow. He moves somewhat like McCluggage. He’s more inside and not as silky.

The only time he missed last year from the Suns, was when he had shoulder surgery at the beginning of the year.

However he played predominantly half back, because of the Suns depth in their midfield, and them prioritising the development of other players, like Alex Davies and Elijah Hollands.

 

[Section 5]

This bit below from a ESPN article on Brisbane
They mention the known Dunkley, Gunston, Ashcroft & Fletcher
......
With Brisbane likely to be limited after matching bids on Ashcroft and Fletcher in who they can draft, Casey Voss, the son of Michael, is a budget friendly defender Brisbane are likely to be able to select as a rookie, given he was overlooked in last year's drafts and again this year during the mid-season draft. Winner of the Fos Williams Medal for best-on-ground in the annual SANFL vs. WAFL match, Voss is a plug-and-play defender who adds value as an intercepter, rebounder and competitor who can provide an immediate upgrade for Brisbane's defence.
....
Had a look at his 2022 SANFL stats
21 yrs, 182cm, 80kg, played 19 games in 2022
Average:- Disposals 23.8 (18K & 6H) @ 92% efficiency, Marks 8.8 Tackles 2.2

 

[Groo2]

This bit below from a ESPN article on Brisbane
They mention the known Dunkley, Gunston, Ashcroft & Fletcher
......
With Brisbane likely to be limited after matching bids on Ashcroft and Fletcher in who they can draft, Casey Voss, the son of Michael, is a budget friendly defender Brisbane are likely to be able to select as a rookie, given he was overlooked in last year's drafts and again this year during the mid-season draft. Winner of the Fos Williams Medal for best-on-ground in the annual SANFL vs. WAFL match, Voss is a plug-and-play defender who adds value as an intercepter, rebounder and competitor who can provide an immediate upgrade for Brisbane's defence.
....
Had a look at his 2022 SANFL stats
21 yrs, 182cm, 80kg, played 19 games in 2022
Average:- Disposals 23.8 (18K & 6H) @ 92% efficiency, Marks 8.8 Tackles 2.2

That’s Knightmare right?

 

[Nunez]

This bit below from a ESPN article on Brisbane
They mention the known Dunkley, Gunston, Ashcroft & Fletcher
......
With Brisbane likely to be limited after matching bids on Ashcroft and Fletcher in who they can draft, Casey Voss, the son of Michael, is a budget friendly defender Brisbane are likely to be able to select as a rookie, given he was overlooked in last year's drafts and again this year during the mid-season draft. Winner of the Fos Williams Medal for best-on-ground in the annual SANFL vs. WAFL match, Voss is a plug-and-play defender who adds value as an intercepter, rebounder and competitor who can provide an immediate upgrade for Brisbane's defence.
....
Had a look at his 2022 SANFL stats
21 yrs, 182cm, 80kg, played 19 games in 2022
Average:- Disposals 23.8 (18K & 6H) @ 92% efficiency, Marks 8.8 Tackles 2.2

Sounds like a great option for our VFL team. Sadly, I don't think Voss is an AFL calibre player.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Sounds like a great option for our VFL team. Sadly, I don't think Voss is an AFL calibre player.

It seems like every year we are always linked with him, given his father’s connection of course.

He’s been doing pretty well for Sturt for the past 2-3 years over here in the SANFL and even won the BOG medal in the SANFL vs WAFL match last year, but I just don’t we need another half-back at our club cause we are stacked with those type of players at the club.

He wouldn’t be the worst option to draft though for another club out there, just no need to draft that type of player.

 

[briztoon]

That’s Knightmare right?

Yep. He’s been pushing Casey Voss for a couple of years now, because he has great stats.

 

[Section 5]

He’s not slow. He moves somewhat like McCluggage. He’s more inside and not as silky.

The only time he missed last year from the Suns, was when he had shoulder surgery at the beginning of the year.

However he played predominantly half back, because of the Suns depth in their midfield, and them prioritising the development of other players, like Alex Davies and Elijah Hollands.

Briztoon regarding the bolded.
Just to be clear to others this is correct if you include VFL games
People could interpret the bolded as he only missed AFL games

His first game back from shoulder surgery was R6 VFL on 1st May
He then played VFL in rounds 7, 9, 10 & 11 that being on 5 th June 2022

He then got a run at AFL level for rounds 14 (June 19), 15, 16, 17 and 18 that being on 17th July his last AFL game for the season.

After being dropped to the VFL he played R18, 19, 21, 22, 23, SF & PF

All up 17 games, 5 AFL and 12 VFL games so his shoulder stood up well for the year

 

[Section 5]

It seems like every year we are always linked with him, given his father’s connection of course.

He’s been doing pretty well for Sturt for the past 2-3 years over here in the SANFL and even won the BOG medal in the SANFL vs WAFL match last year, but I just don’t we need another half-back at our club cause we are stacked with those type of players at the club.

He wouldn’t be the worst option to draft though for another club out there, just no need to draft that type of player.

Yes i just saw the article so thought i would post it seeing the Voss connection

I do think we need a defender but more a tall intercept type
See what happens regarding lists spots after the trade period

 

[Maverick]

He’s not slow. He moves somewhat like McCluggage. He’s more inside and not as silky.

The only time he missed last year from the Suns, was when he had shoulder surgery at the beginning of the year.

However he played predominantly half back, because of the Suns depth in their midfield, and them prioritising the development of other players, like Alex Davies and Elijah Hollands.

Yes, his shoulder did delay his season, he missed the first 5 rounds. But after just 5 senior appearances, he was dropped R19 and spent the final 5 rounds in the reserves.

Played 5 senior games and 12 in the reserves.

 

[Maverick]

Briztoon regarding the bolded.
Just to be clear to others this is correct if you include VFL games
People could interpret the bolded as he only missed AFL games

His first game back from shoulder surgery was R6 VFL on 1st May
He then played VFL in rounds 7, 9, 10 & 11 that being on 5 th June 2022

He then got a run at AFL level for rounds 14 (June 19), 15, 16, 17 and 18 that being on 17th July his last AFL game for the season.

After being dropped to the VFL he played R18, 19, 21, 22, 23, SF & PF

All up 17 games, 5 AFL and 12 VFL games sp his shoulder stood up well for the year

You bet me too it.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Yes i just saw the article so thought i would post it seeing the Voss connection

I do think we need a defender but more a tall intercept type
See what happens regarding lists spots after the trade period

As mentioned before, maybe we could look at either Riley Greene or Harrison Arnold from our VFL set-up to help our depth in that department (via rookie draft), as both looked really good down back in our VFL side and could easily fill a spot in our AFL team for 2023 and beyond (if needed).

 

[Nathan Barley]

Not sure we’ll have any rookie spots available

 

[dlanod]

It seems like every year we are always linked with him, given his father’s connection of course.

He's the Sam Power for the new generation.

 

[Surly Boy]

FWIW

GWS, Tigers agree on Taranto deal ahead of trade period start

A deal to send Tim Taranto to the Tigers has been agreed and is due to be formalised early when trading begins on Monday.

www.theage.com.au

"The Lions will offer the Bulldogs their future first-round pick to try to secure Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

. Gold Coast will discuss a trade with St Kilda for Ben Long

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Ben Long

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

166.8

3star

D

12.8

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

129.0

2star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.2

5star

MG

223.0

4star

as well as tying to secure a deal with Brisbane for forward Tom Berry to move to the Suns for a third- or fourth-round pick."

 

[Warwick]

Yeah I’m growing cold on Bowes as well. While 7 would help unlock multiple deals, that salary hit will be a factor for multiple years. The only way to get him you’d think, with the amount of competition, would be to offer $500k for ‘25 and ‘26 as well.

 

[Surly Boy]

Also:

 

[dkalphy]

Pick 15 is about 1.1k points, how many more points would you guys be looking to get back in from a deal? We might be a suitable team as we have pick 20, 26 and 27 from Rioli trade

 

[Saucery]

That’s Knightmare right?

Yep same guy who said we got the two best defenders (McStay and Gardiner) in a year of poor KP talent.

 

[BRAB]

Yep same guy who said we got the two best defenders (McStay and Gardiner) in a year of poor KP talent.

Other than his bizarre over rating of academy talent he is pretty good.

 

[ZoBlitz]

He's the Sam Power for the new generation.

Glad someone made that reference.

 

[JasRulz63]

Pick 15 is about 1.1k points, how many more points would you guys be looking to get back in from a deal? We might be a suitable team as we have pick 20, 26 and 27 from Rioli trade

Based on recent points trades for first round picks, I reckon we'd be aiming for a surplus around ~500 points.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I can’t see the Dogs taking just our future first rounder for Dunkley. We’ll need to find another pick for sure.