List Mgmt. 2022 Trade, Draft, etc thread

[Scythe]

Dory_77 – might be worth pinning this? Gets updated after every move.

 

[stEdy]

If Melbourne cough up a 1st round pick for an ageing Brodie Grundy with a bung ankle then I'll be incredibly angry. Getting Grundy at all in a mind boggling decision. And the fact that we are even interested in him is incredibly unsettling as it shows that someone (most likely Goodwin) has a terrible read on our list.

So let me get this straight, we are going to lose one of the best young players in the league (Jackson) for unders (most likely 2 first rounders) and then potentially spend half of our compensation on a ruckman who does not solve any of our problems? A guy that cannot play any other position (other than ruck) and is considered behind Darcy Cameron? What a great idea. Also, let's play arguably the best ruckman of all time (Gawn) in the forward line for longer, reducing his impact on games in the ruck. Let's play him in a position where he has shown to be one of the worst shots at goal in the afl. Smart. Missing goals is no biggie. Momentum in games don't matter.

Even better, let's pay Grundy 700k and think that we're getting value because the pies pay 300k only to realise that 700k is actually 1.1million a season because it's a 5 year contract and he likely only has 3 years left. The fact that no-one is even mentioning this is highly concerning. Not just from our list management but also from supporters who say 'pies will pay 300k'. Completely overlooking that Grundy only has 3 seasons left maximum.

Tom Mcdonald and Ben Brown are cooked. JVR is showing promise as an undersized key forward. We realistically need to hit the draft hard for 2 years and pick up 5-6 key forwards and hope that at least 2 of them stick. This solution of Grundy and Gawn is the opposite of a solution.

Go off queen

 

[CWaffles]

Grundy is a better tap ruckman than Gawn, In form he will be palming the ball down our mids throats….. How healthy is he seems to be the main question.

 

[danster168]

Grundy is a better tap ruckman than Gawn, In form he will be palming the ball down our mids throats….. How healthy is he seems to be the main question.

so you'll pay Grundy 1.1m for 3 years to put Gawn forward?

 

[CWaffles]

so you'll pay Grundy 1.1m for 3 years to put Gawn forward?

Yeah, why not.

 

[danster168]

Epic troll post, keep up the good work.

I'm sorry but I'm not sure if you realise what the word troll means? I stand by everything I said. 700k for 5 years equates to 1.1m for the 3 years that Grundy will be playing AFL. Does he solve our drastic key forward issues? no. does he help with sustained success? no. he hinders that.

So do you want Grundy? You want to spend 1.1m over 3 years on him? If you think he'll play until he is 34 then that's fine. I Just don't think he will.

Also, what happened to all of this talk about sustained success? I'm all for winning another flag but not at the expense of killing our future.

 

[danster168]

Grundy is a better tap ruckman than Gawn, In form he will be palming the ball down our mids throats….. How healthy is he seems to be the main question.

How long do you think he's got left?

Obviously Collingwood don't rate him if they're willing to spend 1.5m for him to play for another team (300k for 5 seasons)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Obviously Collingwood don't rate him if they're willing to spend 1.5m for him to play for another team (300k for 5 seasons)

More so different coaching staff to the one he had when they re-signed him, different priorities.

Treloar hasn't been a bad pick for the Dogs has he after Collingwood did pretty much exactly the same?

 

[CWaffles]

Obviously Collingwood don't rate him if they're willing to spend 1.5m for him to play for another team (300k for 5 seasons)

I I’m no doctor so I’m not sure how bad his injuries are and what the outlook is, but If our medical staff tick it off then I’ll back their judgement.

He will be 29 by the start of next season if his body is ok there is no reason he can’t play until he is 34

 

[netslave]

I'm sorry but I'm not sure if you realise what the word troll means? I stand by everything I said. 700k for 5 years equates to 1.1m for the 3 years that Grundy will be playing AFL. Does he solve our drastic key forward issues? no. does he help with sustained success? no. he hinders that.

So do you want Grundy? You want to spend 1.1m over 3 years on him? If you think he'll play until he is 34 then that's fine. I Just don't think he will.

Also, what happened to all of this talk about sustained success? I'm all for winning another flag but not at the expense of killing our future.

I think we both know what the word troll means...

I could see Gawn and Grundy both playing til they are 34, if they give each other a chop out.
We need to strike while the iron is hot, not wait around for possible draft picks to mature, I'd happily sit mid ladder for a while if we can snag some more premierships in the very near future. Premiership windows are a real thing and we would be silly to waste ours.

Is your knock on Grundy purely financial? His ankle injury is completely separate from his previous knee troubles and I'm sure our doctors do their due diligence.

 

[The Dr]

I think we both know what the word troll means...

I could see Gawn and Grundy both playing til they are 34, if they give each other a chop out.
We need to strike while the iron is hot, not wait around for possible draft picks to mature, I'd happily sit mid ladder for a while if we can snag some more premierships in the very near future. Premiership windows are a real thing and we would be silly to waste ours.

Is your knock on Grundy purely financial? His ankle injury is completely separate from his previous knee troubles and I'm sure our doctors do their due diligence.

Don't you know Danster is a doctor with intimate knowledge of Grundy's medical situation and therefore knows for an absolute fact that Grundy only has three years left.



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[danster168]

I think we both know what the word troll means...

I could see Gawn and Grundy both playing til they are 34, if they give each other a chop out.
We need to strike while the iron is hot, not wait around for possible draft picks to mature, I'd happily sit mid ladder for a while if we can snag some more premierships in the very near future. Premiership windows are a real thing and we would be silly to waste ours.

Is your knock on Grundy purely financial? His ankle injury is completely separate from his previous knee troubles and I'm sure our doctors do their due diligence.

Well I agree in that we need to strike while the iron is hot, but how does grundy help our key forward woes?

My knock on Grundy is 1) financial and 2) draft picks we lose and 3) Gawn playing fwd more and him missing simple goals.

Also, I don't want to bottom out again.

Also, my general held belief that you can win flags without any decent ruckman.

I'd rather stock up on forwards. Even life after Steven May. This is a massive opportunity to hit the draft and use the Jackson loss to generate some sustained success.

 

[danster168]

Don't you know Danster is a doctor with intimate knowledge of Grundy's medical situation and therefore knows for an absolute fact that Grundy only has three years left.



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How long do you think he'll play for?

 

[Johnny Karate]

We should just tank for picks again.

 

[mrmonkey]

More so different coaching staff to the one he had when they re-signed him, different priorities.

Treloar hasn't been a bad pick for the Dogs has he after Collingwood did pretty much exactly the same?

Yeah change of regime, they feel that Cameron/cox combination is good enough and want to free some cash as they feel it's better spent on taranto (which they've cooled on apparently) or Bobby Hill.

 

[danster168]

We should just tank for picks again.

Spending up big on grundy is a form of tanking away future success. I'm not against bringing grundy in, but only at 400k a year over 5 seasons, which equates to his market value of about 700k for 3 years.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Spending up big on grundy is a form of tanking away future success. I'm not against bringing grundy in, but only at 400k a year over 5 seasons, which equates to his market value of about 700k for 3 years.

Sounds like youre sitting on the fence mate.

 

[The Dr]

How long do you think he'll play for?

I've got no idea. Therefore I'm not qualified to speak in absolutes about his medical situation


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[Proper Gander]

picks outside the first round have a 60% fail rate based on the last 10 years of data across all clubs so 5-6 key forwards drafted becomes 2-3 forwards. We're not going to hit on every pick in the draft.

No, really?

 

[danster168]

I've got no idea. Therefore I'm not qualified to speak in absolutes about his medical situation


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I'm not even referring to his medical condition. Just the fact that once you hit your 30's it's downhill pretty rapidly. Sure there are exceptions to every rule.

 

[Jimi]

I'm not even referring to his medical condition. Just the fact that once you hit your 30's it's downhill pretty rapidly. Sure there are exceptions to every rule.

Ryder, Goldstein, Sandilands … there’s plenty of big blokes who play good football well in to their 30s.

 

[Daemon]

I'm not a fan of getting Grundy but if he is healthy and the right deal is struck, why not? Fact is we like playing with 2 rucks and it works well. We will need a second ruck if Jacko leaves. There's not many on the market at the moment.

As for forwards, yes we should draught a key forward, which I'm sure we will. 5-6 is just silly. We also have JVR coming on nicely who will probably play seniors next year. He will replace Brown/TMac in the current side.

Overall I think our list is tracking nicely. We have some good young talent and some other backups in the VFL. I trust our recruiting and trading team to continue to do a good job as they have done for the last few years.

TLDR - we should continue to be pragmatic with trading and drafting.

 

[mrmonkey]

The thing is we are in the window now, initially I'm not the biggest fan off getting Grundy but reality is Jackson is most likely gone, for structure getting Grundy makes sense. If his body is right which I'm sure we will do due diligence then why not.

 

[CWaffles]

Can we get a cheaper ruckman? Absolutely but there is a chance that cheaper ruckman is no good and we are then in a situation like we were when Preuss tried to play alongside Gawn.

Grundy is a proven talent, you don’t become a 2x All Australian by accident, will he be as good as his prime, maybe not but if he is then we have two very talented big men both of which can push back of forward to help out.

Our game is based around having 2 rucks and it worked perfectly last year so let’s not chance the recipe, even if getting Grundy means that we prolong Maxs career then it’s a great move

 

[Bluelegs]

That danster is so certain about Grundy only having three years left in him makes me confident that he is going to go on to surpass Boomer Harvey's record

 

[adonski]

If we can snag him for a 2nd rounder in a cap dump situation we should be aggressive & do it

I understand the reservations on his body but he's been ultra durable outside of this year

Those questioning the fit probably did the same when we drafted Jackson too, ultimately Gawn will play well with just about anyone I reckon

In R22, Gawn only had 56% CBA's but had 31 touches, he'll do his thing in any role