List Mgmt. 2022 Trade, Draft, etc thread

[Scythe]

Dory_77 – might be worth pinning this? Gets updated after every move.

 

[Topkent]

Come on, the two options aren't get Grundy or have to ruck Weid/Tmac. Second rucks get traded for peanuts every year - if we don't go for Grundy we'll get someone to support Gawn for a third round pick.

And yes, we'll get at least one first rounder for Jackson and we should take it to the draft. You don't give up first round picks for salary dump players.

*Edit - actually I'll correct myself here, I'd be more than happy to use the pick we get for Jackson to bring in an established gun forward. We just shouldn't need to use it to get Grundy.

Forget the pic involved then because I can't be a stuffed debating that especially as we don't even know what we will have and what Collingwood will have in return.

Our game style doesn't suit a plodding ruckman matched with Gawn. We had it with Preuss and it was terrible. Our ruck needs to be a mobile ruck who moves from contest to contest which lets Gawn position himself all over the field where needed. We cant just get a 5 disposal tap ruck who can't go forward because they basically replace Gawn.

 

[CWaffles]

fair call. I respect your post because you're happy to discuss the matter at hand. If we think he's going to play til 34 then it's a good deal.
I hope he has longevity.

And not just longevity but to be playing at the worth of a 700k player. Injuries hit hard after 30 and nic nat, martin, ryder and mcevoy have all missed large chunks with injury.

There is always going to be a risk there, he could suffer a career ending injury but so could Jackson.

At the end of the day there is no doubting the bloke is a talented footballer, if the club feels he can come in a play the role along side Gawn then we genuinely have a super Ruck pairing.

The question is can either have a impact in front of goals? At least it will give us the ability to put max behind the ball and take intercept marks in the backline.

 

[danster168]

There is always going to be a risk there, he could suffer a career ending injury but so could Jackson.

At the end of the day there is no doubting the bloke is a talented footballer, if the club feels he can come in a play the role along side Gawn then we genuinely have a super Ruck pairing.

The question is can either have a impact in front of goals? At least it will give us the ability to put max behind the ball and take intercept marks in the backline

There's no evidence in 12 years of their respective careers that either Grundy or Gawn can be played in the fwd line. Putting Max behind the ball is definitely the way to go but unfortunately doesn't help our forward woes.

 

[danster168]

Forget the pic involved then because I can't be a stuffed debating that especially as we don't even know what we will have and what Collingwood will have in return.

Our game style doesn't suit a plodding ruckman matched with Gawn. We had it with Preuss and it was terrible. Our ruck needs to be a mobile ruck who moves from contest to contest which lets Gawn position himself all over the field where needed. We cant just get a 5 disposal tap ruck who can't go forward because they basically replace Gawn.

so you don't want Grundy after all?

Grundy isn't mobile. Yeah, he finds the ball but he is by no stretch a mobile ruckman.

 

[CWaffles]

There's no evidence in 12 years of their respective careers that either Grundy or Gawn can be played in the fwd line. Putting Max behind the ball is definitely the way to go but unfortunately doesn't help our forward woes.

Well if we stop the opposition kicking and extra 2-3 goals a game that 2-3 goals our forwards don’t have to kick.

 

[knackers29]

So Geelong are failures and North Melbourne are equally the same? I disagree.

Both failures, just different levels of failure!

 

[CWaffles]

Jesus we need 6-8 forwards, can’t win with these useless pricks

 

[danster168]

Also anyone who keeps banging the key forward drum over and over is a *******. Brown and Tmac have looked more than capable when we move the ball properly and Fritsch plays as a second key tall. He's too good to not have a heap of footy going through him.

Will you concede that the 'key forward drum' needs to be louder than ever? Brown was horrific last night. As usual. Worst on ground, followed by melksham. Not only is he a liability up forward, he's now incapable of even halving a ruck contest. He gets pushed completely out of the way and we lose the clearance straight away, losing costly ground advantage.

What's the point in having a key forward if they need the ball basically placed in their lap in order to get a kick? It's always a very comfortable position to say 'when the ball is kicked to them properly' but at the end of the day, if you're a key forward, you're there to have a presence, crunch packs, take the odd contested mark, kick 2-3 goals a games, hustle and chase despite your size etc. Brown doesn't none of these things, other than kick a Sherrin straight once every 90 minutes of football.

 

[danster168]

Jesus we need 6-8 forwards, can’t win with these useless pricks

Can't say I didn't say so. but yes, draft 6, hopefully nail 3 of those 6. Both Brown's and Weideman are goneski.

Tonight showed just how severe our forward line issues are. And I will be banging on about it until we get a key forward on our list that is AFL calibre whether it be via trade or draft.

Getting Grundy really limits our ability to do that.

 

[00Stinger]

Did flogster set his alarm for 5.45 just to come on here a spew his shit again?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Did flogster set his alarm for 5.45 just to come on here a spew his s**t again?

If last night didnt prove to you that Maffew Jetherson solves all our problems nothing will

A 194cm KPF who weighs 76 kgs would have made all the difference out there.

 

[Crusty Demon]

God we need a couple of blokes in the middle who can hit a target!!

Need to trade out our gameplan and bring another one in. It's exposed and it's boring..

 

[danster168]

If last night didnt prove to you that Maffew Jetherson solves all our problems nothing will

A 194cm KPF who weighs 76 kgs would have made all the difference out there.

when did I say Jefferson would help us? I said he would help us in a few years. I said I don't want to throw our draft picks away to pick up Grundy. Last night should've shown just how bad Ben Brown is.

I know one thing. Jefferson would already be a better player than Brown. he is more agile and a better mark. What has weight got to do with anything? Ben Brown has 0 presence anyway despite weighing 100kg. Not to mention Aaron Cadman would comfortably be a better player.

Do you honestly think Grundy helps our issues? So instead of Ben Brown and Jackson dropping marks and offering nothing in the fwd line it becomes Gawn/Grundy and Ben Brown?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

What has weight got to do with anything?

With our bomb it into the 50 game style I would think weight plays a significant part in a KPF being effective, friend

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Until we have guys who can use the ball and we move it with speed it wont matter who is down there. Unless Wayne Carey or Jonathan Brown is available in this free agency period.

 

[danster168]

With our bomb it into the 50 game style I would think weight plays a significant part in a KPF being effective, friend

Jye Amiss says hello. 196cm, 83kg and in his 2nd game had more impact in a final than Brown has had all season and had more presence.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Jye Amiss says hello. 196cm, 83kg and in his 2nd game had more impact in a final than Brown has had all season and had more presence.

Youre Jye Amissing the point completely as usual.

Freo weren't bombing it to him, they hit him up on the lead a lot with decent disposal.

 

[danster168]

Youre Jye Amissing the point completely as usual.

Freo weren't bombing it to him, they hit him up on the lead a lot with decent disposal.

I respect your Amiss pun.

So basically you're saying Brown has to get laced out on an uncontested lead in order to have any sort of impact?

Also, our game plan is to bomb it high to the pockets yeah? we've done it all year. So if Brown is useless with this gamestyle then it's either drop Brown or drop Goodwin. Which is it?

There's a lot of good forwards in the league that can impact a game despite having the ball kicked to their disadvantage.

Also what about Browns non existent defensive work and his ground ball? How about his pathetic ruckwork where he gets placed aside by the opposition ruck.
Even against Carlton he was monster's and rag dolled by Lewis Young.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I respect your Amiss pun.

So basically you're saying Brown has to get laced out on an uncontested lead in order to have any sort of impact?

Also, our game plan is to bomb it high to the pockets yeah? we've done it all year. So if Brown is useless with this gamestyle then it's either drop Brown or drop Goodwin. Which is it?

There's a lot of good forwards in the league that can impact a game despite having the ball kicked to their disadvantage.

Also what about Browns non existent defensive work and his ground ball? How about his pathetic ruckwork where he gets placed aside by the opposition ruck.
Even against Carlton he was monster's and rag dolled by Lewis Young.

Im not saying Brown is good so stop banging on with that , Brown sucks, something ive said pretty much from day one last year. Id absolutely prefer to play JVR over him. What have we got to lose at this point.

What im saying is unless we have a contested marking beast they really aren't going to make much of difference with how we currently deliver the ball inside forward 50.

 

[danster168]

Im not saying Brown is good so stop banging on with that , Brown sucks, something ive said pretty much from day one last year. Id absolutely prefer to play JVR over him. What have we got to lose at this point.

What im saying is unless we have a contested marking beast they really aren't going to make much of difference with how we currently deliver the ball inside forward 50.

don't tell me after all of this time we are actually agreeing. I agree, that it will make no difference so how does Grundy help us? It's a lot to pay to have the luxury of a 2nd ruck.

 

[Headless]

danster168 and A11dAtP0w3R always seem to have the same opinions.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

danster168 and A11dAtP0w3R always seem to have the same opinions.

We get to the same conclusion but my way of getting there is the correct way, unlike Danny.

 

[netslave]

Grundy helps us if you believe he is a good replacement for Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

24

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

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F/R

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8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

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M

1.5

2star

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1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

don't tell me after all of this time we are actually agreeing. I agree, that it will make no difference so how does Grundy help us? It's a lot to pay to have the luxury of a 2nd ruck.

I really havent put enough thought into it, but if we are going to play two lumbering rucks we need to change our game style. Im sick of the overusing Gawn as a full time forward, its a novelty that we have got far too carried away with, it should be something we do occasionally, not build a game plan around it, if we got Grundy him and Gawn need to rotate off the bench imo.

 

[Johnny Karate]

After seeing week one of the finals it’s clear that we need a radical change up. Convince De Goey to come to us for unders, no more than 400k or else. Zach Guthrie

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Zach Guthrie

Age

27

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

90.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

2star

MG

90.0

2star

D

10.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

should also be a target, he has improved his game, used to barrack for Melbourne and could make Cam Guthrie sad if he no longer plays at the same club as his relative. I’m worried about how Petracca recovers from his broken leg, so we should consider trading him to North for all of their draft picks and Jason Horne-Francis and Nick Larkey

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Nick Larkey

Age

27

Ht

198cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

. I’m very concerned that Pickett is not a finals performer and think we should trade him to Freo for Jye Amiss and Sean Darcy

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Sean Darcy

Age

27

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

. We also need to get in Jamie Elliot’s ear and look him straight in the eye.