List Mgmt. 2022 Trade, Draft, etc thread

[Scythe]

Dory_77 – might be worth pinning this? Gets updated after every move.

 

[mrmonkey]

I wonder what the failure rate is for drafting key forwards (and then staying at the club).

Other than Swartz, Neitz (better defender) we haven't had much luck, it would have to be under 10%

revolving door of 195cm + players labelled as the one just to be washed out

Are you saying David Neitz was a better defender?

 

[stEdy]

Jefferson sounds like the opposite of a Jason Taylor pick - doubt we spend our first rounder on a skinny tall that lacks aggression/competitiveness.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

I haven't heard the Twomey link.

Jefferson doesn't do it for me at all. He's years away from impacting at senior level and there's a lot of Lucas Cook/Jack Watts laconic about him. Even watching him at under 18's level he was still getting brushed aside way too easily.

I rate Lemmey a much better prospect even thought he hasn't risen to expectations this year's.

At the start of thr year he was rated as genuine top 5 prospect and number 1 key forward at under 18 level but for some whatever reason he hasn't come on.

Yeah I’m not excited about us picking Jefferson. Under 18 footy tells you very little about who’s going to be a good key forward IMO. Picking someone like Jefferson seems like a flip of the coin whether they work out or not.

Feel like if Taylor picks a mid, back or medium forward at 13 he’s a much higher chance of getting us a star.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Jefferson is 194cms and 76kgs
Lemmey is 199cms and 94kgs

A dark horse or a smokey: Phoenix Foster @ 197cms and 87kgs

Foster is who I want with our 2nd pick.

 

[Demon 16]

I haven't heard the Twomey link.

Jefferson doesn't do it for me at all. He's years away from impacting at senior level and there's a lot of Lucas Cook/Jack Watts laconic about him. Even watching him at under 18's level he was still getting brushed aside way too easily.

I rate Lemmey a much better prospect even thought he hasn't risen to expectations this year's.

At the start of thr year he was rated as genuine top 5 prospect and number 1 key forward at under 18 level but for some whatever reason he hasn't come on.

I’ve said earlier that I think we are keen to move the pick - either up, or down.

So many mock drafts have us taking Jefferson but I think that’s more about our need for key forwards and him being rated in the 12-15 zone.

I’m pretty certain we won’t be taking Jefferson if we use pick 13. I can see him being a bit of a ‘slider’ and moving his way to the back of the first round or even early second.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Twomey does rate Jefferson though. 12th in his power rankings. Unless someone slides unexpectedly I think we’ll take him.

That's great that he rates him, but I just personally can't see it with Jefferson.

Tall skinny key forward who lacks aggression goes against everything we target as a players in terms of being competitive and physical.

In saying that, if we were to recruit him then I'll 100% back our development team.

 

[dazzledavey36]

I’ve said earlier that I think we are keen to move the pick - either up, or down.

So many mock drafts have us taking Jefferson but I think that’s more about our need for key forwards and him being rated in the 12-15 zone.

I’m pretty certain we won’t be taking Jefferson if we use pick 13. I can see him being a bit of a ‘slider’ and moving his way to the back of the first round or even early second.

I also think we'll just go best available around that pick which imo, is not Jefferson.

 

[Demon 16]

That's great that he rates him, but I just personally can't see it with Jefferson.

Tall skinny key forward who lacks aggression goes against everything we target as a players in terms of being competitive and physical.

In saying that, if we were to recruit him then I'll 100% back our development team.

He has a massive aerobic capacity apparently and huge x-factor so there is something to work with.

Can’t see us interested though, unless we trade the pick down and he’s still on the board at 20+.

 

[markm106]

That's great that he rates him, but I just personally can't see it with Jefferson.

Tall skinny key forward who lacks aggression goes against everything we target as a players in terms of being competitive and physical.

In saying that, if we were to recruit him then I'll 100% back our development team.

Ok cool. You mentioned Twomey so thought you must rate his ranking.
If he really lacks aggression and competitiveness then as someone mentioned maybe Taylor would bypass. Or yes back in our development which is eons ahead of Jack Watts era.
Maybe Taylor will jump early on Brayden George.

 

[adonski]

Bailey Fritsch doesn't seem like a JT pick

 

[MarcMaverick]

Bailey Fritsch doesn't seem like a JT pick

In terms of height and weight Bayley Fritsch is the same as Liam Jurrah. 188cms/84kgs.

 

[adonski]

In terms of height and weight Bayley Fritsch is the same as Liam Jurrah. 188cms/84kgs.

?

 

[MarcMaverick]

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I dunno. Just wanted to post something. As you were.

 

[schmuttt]

I’ve said earlier that I think we are keen to move the pick - either up, or down.

So many mock drafts have us taking Jefferson but I think that’s more about our need for key forwards and him being rated in the 12-15 zone.

I’m pretty certain we won’t be taking Jefferson if we use pick 13. I can see him being a bit of a ‘slider’ and moving his way to the back of the first round or even early second.

Yeah I think so too, I reckon we will move down as any attempt to move up would have happened by now, barring someone coming to us last minute because a player they rate fell to 13 we probably trade into next years draft.

 

[schmuttt]

I haven’t really followed the draft much but think we’d be happy to run it back with grundy instead of Jackson, a better game plan and a bit more adventurous selection.

 

[stEdy]

Bailey Fritsch doesn't seem like a JT pick

I thought of Fritsch when posting, but it isn't exactly equivalent

He's very courageous in the air for his size and goes when it's his turn. He also dominated against men in the VFL.

 

[dazzledavey36]

I thought of Fritsch when posting, but it isn't exactly equivalent

He's very courageous in the air for his size and goes when it's his turn. He also dominated against men in the VFL.

Agree. There's no comparisons to Fritsch.

I think we'll go best available for pick 13 or a slider.

I do know for a fact that we've put significant time into Brayden George and Ollie Hollands from the Murray Bushrangers. I'm sure we've done the same for a few other players around the mark but we've definitely got significant interest in these two.

 

[danster168]

Agree. There's no comparisons to Fritsch.

I think we'll go best available for pick 13 or a slider.

I do know for a fact that we've put significant time into Brayden George and Ollie Hollands from the Murray Bushrangers. I'm sure we've done the same for a few other players around the mark but we've definitely got significant interest in these two.

Let's say that we do go with a George or a Hollands. When do you think we will address our key forward woes? Next draft? Next trade period? Like it's getting dire.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Let's say that we do go with a George or a Hollands. When do you think we will address our key forward woes? Next draft? Next trade period? Like it's getting dire.

We have JVR ready to go.

Like it or not one of TMac or Brown are likely to play most games. A tall forward picked in this years draft is very unlikely to go past them this year.

Game plan and forward entries will determine if we have a good forward line in 2023.

Hoping a draftee tall will give us a better forward line in 2023 is madness.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Let's say that we do go with a George or a Hollands. When do you think we will address our key forward woes? Next draft? Next trade period? Like it's getting dire.

Picking up a young forward in the draft isn't going to fix your key forward woes immediately.

You do realise that right?

 

[Tulip]

Let's say that we do go with a George or a Hollands. When do you think we will address our key forward woes? Next draft? Next trade period? Like it's getting dire.

Probably, yeah. Kind of pointless just picking a tall kid who won't be ready for two years because he's tall enough.

 

[stEdy]

Agree. There's no comparisons to Fritsch.

I think we'll go best available for pick 13 or a slider.

I do know for a fact that we've put significant time into Brayden George and Ollie Hollands from the Murray Bushrangers. I'm sure we've done the same for a few other players around the mark but we've definitely got significant interest in these two.

Yeah, these are the two names that seem to stand out and matches up with old mates' mail that says we are looking at a Vic Country kid

 

[danster168]

We have JVR ready to go.

Like it or not one of TMac or Brown are likely to play most games. A tall forward picked in this years draft is very unlikely to go past them this year.

Game plan and forward entries will determine if we have a good forward line in 2023.

Hoping a draftee tall will give us a better forward line in 2023 is madness.

yeah, but we're not in the premiership window with Brown as our forward so how long will we keep stalling and delaying picking up a key forward?

 

[danster168]

Probably, yeah. Kind of pointless just picking a tall kid who won't be ready for two years because he's tall enough.

I guess it all comes down to if you think we're in the premiership window. Believe it or not Ben Brown and Tom Mcdonald are another year older so will be somehow even slower than last season. If you believe we're in the premiership window with this forward line then yeah it makes sense to pick someone who just may be able to help us.

 

[danster168]

Picking up a young forward in the draft isn't going to fix your key forward woes immediately.

You do realise that right?

well I would argue that basically any new draftee is better than Ben Brown but that's the story for another day. Yeah, it doesn't help our forward woes immediately but it helps our forward line list profile immediately. We literally have 2 key forwards on our list in JVR and Tom Mcdonald. Brown and Scache are too bad that they don't count. I'm all for going for best available, even if it isn't Jefferson, but what if there's no appropriate key forward in next years first round? Do we then delay it to 2024 before picking one up? I just think the urgency isn't where it needs to be at.

The fact that we haven't found a Brown replacement tells me that Goodwin simply doesn't get it.