List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: Draft Pick order

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Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Roo202]

I don't know what the solution is, but doesn't it show that the system is broken when the premiers, full of stars, can have room for a salary cap dump?

It'll soon be a two, three tiered system of feeder clubs into the big clubs like we see in the EPL.

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It's pretty absurd that before it was decided, a mid-ish 1st round pick seemed like something that would be a possibility for making up some of our draft assistance. One of the reasons we supposedly didn't get it was to protect the integrity of the draft.

Now a team basically has to give away pick 7, as they can't afford to pay a player drafted with that pick and need to use it's value to create salary cap space. So a mid-ish first round pick is up for grabs.

I know the two situations aren't really related, but it seems so ridiculous that the wooden spooners, with 9 wins over three seasons, were denied access to a pick of a roughly similar value and now the reigning premiers are front runners to pick it up effectively for free. But the draft apparently is keeping its integrity intact

 

[Lomas]

They're likely to lose a few big names off their list in the coming days which might balance the books on that.

Whether that kind of trade will stuff them in the next couple of years with their younger guys coming out of contract is another kettle of fish.

The book balancing stuff cracks me up every time. We start off asking how can teams retain stars, and bring more in: we are told that they are all on unders to chase success. A couple retire and we are told that it frees up millions a year for the next decade. Carlton are still pointing to Judd no longer being on the books.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

The book balancing stuff cracks me up every time. We start off asking how can teams retain stars, and bring more in: we are told that they are all on unders to chase success. A couple retire and we are told that it frees up millions a year for the next decade. Carlton are still pointing to Judd no longer being on the books.

And thats why there needs to be more transparency around player wages.
I'm one that does not understand how Geelong can fit the players they have under the cap and an investigation would be welcome.

But if you have 3 top end stars retire that will free up at least 800k in the cap. For the sake of argument say Higgins, Selwood and one of Hawkins, Tuohy or smith are on 300k each, which would be low.

Whether giving 3 players worth of salaries to Bowes is responsible, is a different story.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Sillygit]

 

[lockheed]

It’s not about the listed salary, it’s all the off the book stuff that is making the comp so unbalanced.

If the system it worked as intended good players looking for a good contract would move to the clubs with the cap space. Instead these players move to the strong clubs for less on the books and the rest off the books.

The old line that they came here for less for success is a furphy. These blokes are getting the full whack, just off the books.

No argument. You're almost certainly right.

If only the AFL had a properly staffed, highly competent Integrity Unit that was genuinely serious about integrity. One can dream.

 

[PokerRoo]

Simple I wouldnt consider it if they wanted anything back


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you can't have a trade with nothing going back. Something would need to go to GC.

 

[New_Roo]

you can't have a trade with nothing going back. Something would need to go to GC.

Thought the rules had changed


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[The Anvil]

I don't know what the solution is, but doesn't it show that the system is broken when the premiers, full of stars, can have room for a salary cap dump?

It'll soon be a two, three tiered system of feeder clubs into the big clubs like we see in the EPL.

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Until the side agreements are prevented this will always be an issue.

Visy, Jeep, and Cotton On seem to have a bunch of non-participating executives who happen to play footy as well.

 

[shinboner magic]

"If a club tries to dud another, those who feel they’ve been on the wrong end of the bargain will remember. With live trading on draft night, you never know when you might need to call in a favour.

“The occurrence and the regularity of a win-loss scenario is very rare now".

^^^^

Good hope we remember that next time we're dealing with the Tigers!


oh well

Some on here would never want to win a trade - they’re use to getting torn a new one in every trade

Hard to believe Brent Harvey's son will be playing for us next year, the bloke only just retired.

Should of played another two years

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Excellent point! For those playing at home it was…View attachment 1519350

North out
Pick 42 (21)
47 (21)
54 (22)

North in
32 (21)
36 (21)


Those trades shouldve been further in north's favour if it was for not bidding, with the future 3rd never leaving in the first place.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Hazey1977]

Until the side agreements are prevented this will always be an issue.

Visy, Jeep, and Cotton On seem to have a bunch of non-participating executives who happen to play footy as well.

In US sports are sponsorship deals etc all included?

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[My Left Foote]

Until the side agreements are prevented this will always be an issue.

Visy, Jeep, and Cotton On seem to have a bunch of non-participating executives who happen to play footy as well.

We need to get on the blower to Aqium, Melbourne Airport Parking & Tasmanian Heritage Cheese – time to start mixing it with the big boys!

 

[Le Grille]

In US sports are sponsorship deals etc all included?

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No I don’t think so

 

[roos 10]

Nobel what a w***er have to get a first rounder st kilda should keep him

 

[DesertRoo]

Nobel what a w***er have to get a first rounder st kilda should keep him

CCJ trade comes to mind

 

[Shagga is all Class]

It's pretty absurd that before it was decided, a mid-ish 1st round pick seemed like something that would be a possibility for making up some of our draft assistance. One of the reasons we supposedly didn't get it was to protect the integrity of the draft.

Now a team basically has to give away pick 7, as they can't afford to pay a player drafted with that pick and need to use it's value to create salary cap space. So a mid-ish first round pick is up for grabs.

I know the two situations aren't really related, but it seems so ridiculous that the wooden spooners, with 9 wins over three seasons, were denied access to a pick of a roughly similar value and now the reigning premiers are front runners to pick it up effectively for free. But the draft apparently is keeping its integrity intact

Not really much different to Sydney winning a flag and singing Tippett and Franklin on massive long term deals in the next 2 off seasons.

Imagine our eyes bleeding if we had Buddy and got the same compo.

 

[Psicosis]

You would overpay with a first rounder, wouldn’t you David

 

[giantroo]

 

[Shermanator]

Not really much different to Sydney winning a flag and singing Tippett and Franklin on massive long term deals in the next 2 off seasons.

Imagine our eyes bleeding if we had Buddy and got the same compo.

 

[giantroo]

DOCKERS PAIR LIKELY TO RECEIVE SECOND-ROUND OFFERS​

FREMANTLE is expected to be offered second-round draft picks for wantaway pair Griffin Logue

19

Griffin Logue

Age

27

Ht

193cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

115.4

2star

D

9.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

115.4

2star

D

9.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

115.4

2star

and Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

32

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

174.6

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

228.6

3star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.0

3star

.

Logue is keen to join North Melbourne on a five-year offer, with the Roos set to offer a future second-round pick to the Dockers for the defender who they have pegged for a key backline position.

Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

32

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

174.6

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

228.6

3star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.0

3star

and Griffin Logue

19

Griffin Logue

Age

27

Ht

193cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

115.4

2star

D

9.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

115.4

2star

D

9.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

115.4

2star

after Fremantle's R12 clash with Brisbane. Picture: Getty Images
The AFL handed the Roos a second-round pick and third-round pick for next year's draft under the proviso they are used in a trade to land at least one player in this year's period. They can't be held over to stockpile for North Melbourne but are tied to the Kangaroos' ladder position next year.

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Lobb has requested a trade to the Western Bulldogs despite being contracted to Fremantle for next year, but the Dockers have said the key forward will not be traded.

The Dogs are expected to present a second-round pick to the Dockers in exchange for the 29-year-old. Their second-round selection this season sits at No.29, or they could look at a future second-round pick.

AFL.com.au reported on Monday that Carlton's trade for Dockers wingman Blake Acres

13

Blake Acres

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

would centre on a future third-round pick. – Callum Twomey

 

[The Anvil]

In US sports are sponsorship deals etc all included?

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It doesn't appear so: Which players are making the most money off endorsements?

Similar to here though, it's why players want to get to big market teams so they can increase their sponsorship deals.

 

[wazza03]

I’d be going after Narkle, stiff to be delisted. Pressure forward is what we’re crying out for. He’s great around the goals and can accumulate the possessions too. DFA come on down.
Make it happen Clarko.


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[Shinboner1]

Brockman and Jeka have signed 1 year deals at the Hawks.