List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

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Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Makeshift Park]

So, the difference is:

- Sheezel/Tsatas & Port's F1
or
- sooky bum & pick 12 in a weaker draft

I'd rather just move on from the sook. I don't want a year if him sooking around and ruining moral. Give me Sheezel and lets start getting 12 months of development into him.

I agree that yes there is a risk attached.

But if the offer is just 2 and F1 I can't see next year's offer being worth so much less that its not worth holding onto him.
If Noble was still our coach, I'd agree with you that its not worth it.
But if the kid's ever gonna find his groove at the AFL level, there's a very good chance its under Clarkson and Viney.

Unless there's some really bad shit the public don't know about JHF and his situation which means the coaches are very happy to offload him, on the basis of the open source information available the deal has to involve one of their untouchables to be worth our while.

 

[Makeshift Park]

He's gotta go 100%.
Will be toxic all year. We don't need that s**t.

He's 19 and he's not some evil sociopathic genius capable of pitting team mates against each other.

 

[justroyal]

Who do GWS want with Pick 1? If it’s for the best midfielder other than Ashcroft. WHY THE **** WOULDNT WE BE STICKING WITH THET PICK?

 

[Shagga is all Class]

He's gotta go 100%.
Will be toxic all year. We don't need that s**t.

Your are probably right.

I can already see see the media articles of how big bad Clarko oversaw training sessions where man child was Shane Strempled by the other players.

Imagine poor JHF actually getting body contact in a drill by Zurhaar and Cunners?

He'd go down like an Italian soccer player and play the mental health card that he created.

 

[buttox]

Port taking on Haynes as a salary dump may get them a pick. That part is not a bad move. But it wont be enough to get pick 2 and then get jhf.
It could 100% be done on it's own.
They will still need more.
I doubt this happens.

 

[JGreezy]

I agree that yes there is a risk attached.

But if the offer is just 2 and F1 I can't see next year's offer being worth so much less that its not worth holding onto him.
If Noble was still our coach, I'd agree with you that its not worth it.
But if the kid's ever gonna find his groove at the AFL level, there's a very good chance its under Clarkson and Viney.

Unless there's some really bad s**t the public don't know about JHF and his situation which means the coaches are very happy to offload him, on the basis of the open source information available the deal has to involve one of their untouchables to be worth our while.

I think that the way that it has happened, after 1 year and as the number 1 pick, I don't see it changing. I think his step-father has a fair bit or control in the situation. Just my opinion.

He has also shown that he lets these feelings alter his play. Thats okay, he is young. But he will still be young in 12 months. I don't expect this to change overnight.

Clarko might turn him around. If it was either keep him or give him away for a late pick then I'd give him a chance.

However, a big factor in this for me is that I rate Sheezel as a talent and as a personality. He seems quality. Silky smooth operator like Pendles and with elite endurance. I also rate Tsatas.

I would just turn the page and start again now, rather than in 12 months.

 

[tiltraise]

Port will be far more likely to finish top four than down the bottom next year.

I never mentioned Port.

Im talking of targeting what I believe to be the most valuable selection on the board.

WC f1

 

[Makeshift Park]

I think that the way that it has happened, after 1 year and as the number 1 pick, I don't see it changing. I think his step-father has a fair bit or control in the situation. Just my opinion.

He has also shown that he lets these feelings alter his play. Thats okay, he is young. But he will still be young in 12 months. I don't expect this to change overnight.

Clarko might turn him around. If it was either keep him or give him away for a late pick then I'd give him a chance.

However, a big factor in this for me is that I rate Sheezel as a talent and as a personality. He seems quality. Silky smooth operator like Pendles and with elite endurance. I also rate Tsatas.

I would just turn the page and start again now, rather than in 12 months.

Totally see where you're coming from.

I would prefer if someone found him a new gig too.

But not at the expense of extracting proper value.

Besides, even if it went 1: Ashcroft (BL), 2: Cadman (GWS), 3: Wardlaw (WC, who need young elite mids most of all), we'd still get Sheezel at pick 3 anyway.

 

[Agenda 21]

Far out. I can vividly remember the pure joy I felt when Jason Horne-Francis snagged 2 goals v Sydney, in the pre-season. I was with my old man (who played for the club) and he shed a tear, watching our future. It brought me to tears, in all honesty. I had to leave the room, pretending to do something.

Then in round one, we were again full of optimism. Watching Jase in the pre-game, run onto the G, then kick his first ever AFL goal, made the hairs stand up. The NMFC was on the right track, and this kid was to lead the way. We lost, but so what?

The following week was magnificent. The game didn't reach any great heights, but we won and JHF was brilliant, after copping a massive hit. He put his body on the line, Archer style. I remember the crowd, albeit small, cheering LOUDLY, when he went near it. He chased, tackled and looked every bit, a future captain. Plus, it was the first win many of us had seen, in a few years. My Brother was battling cancer, but he made it there and sank a few beers, throughout the game.

The Sydney game, wowee. That's when we knew that we had a future champion, in the making. JHF was playing, like he was already the captain. Sydney had no answers, so they had to throw Callum Mills

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onto him, in a run-with role. I had the pigeon chest puffed out, after this game. He was a Shinboner, to the core. Or, so it looked.

I don't know where it went wrong, but it's sad. My old man is disillusioned, so it's tough. Yes, the Bris game was tough. But, it wasn't the reason. It's almost like things went downhill, after JHF accidentally kneed Switkowski, in the head. I remember watching his body language, after that. I don't think I saw him fly for another mark, all season.

Anyway, that's me done.

 

[Roadrunner]

The mega trade is so insanely stupid and definitely another port leak.

If we trade #1 it's because GWS really really want it, and we can leverage that into an overpay. Ideally it's for #3 + #18 + F1, but I can see that F1 being #12 instead.

They key is that both us and GWS don't need any other teams involved to get this done.

Making it a "mega" deal literally only benefits Port, because they want to disguise the same garbage offer they started with.

My thought exactly.

 

[tiltraise]

How so?

We still get more picks if JHF wants to leave and our picks are based on ladder position.

If we are still bottom, we might get something from the AFL.

All I ever read, is Port get 3 players they want and any future pick we get from them is then diluted, along with other picks we gave away.

If we trade JFH next year all we might get are picks from Adelaide teams.

This mega trade gives us much more options of getting targeted picks any where we like.

We must target WC f1.

 

[Jasemon]

A lot of media in the last 6 hours with GWS making a very strong play for our pick 1. Also that we may consider it.

I just don't get this. We'll only have 4 list spots maximum to fill. Our greatest list need by a mile is a key position player.
The best key position player in the draft is Cadman. For me, it's a no brainer. We keep our no.1 pick and take Cadman.

We then get the best possible deal from Port and ream them in the process if they really want JHF.
I really do get tired of people saying every year, next year is going to be a strong draft. Honestly guys this gets said every year.
Port will end up coming to the party because in their minds they have to. They'll attempt to bluff us all the way but we're holding all the cards on this one.
We'll get an elite midfielder with the first round pick they provide us.

 

[JGreezy]

Totally see where you're coming from.

I would prefer if someone found him a new gig too.

But not at the expense of extracting proper value.

Besides, even if it went 1: Ashcroft (BL), 2: Cadman (GWS), 3: Wardlaw (WC, who need young elite mids most of all), we'd still get Sheezel at pick 3 anyway.

From what I've been told, Wardlaw is an absolute gun and if his hammies are okay then he should be at the top of this draft. So I would also prefer him.

And, an extra thought on Clarko/JHF. He is a young Indigenous kid who might have an issue with his Indigenous father in his ear about Port (my opinion). I don't know that the timing is great for Clarko to be the guy to get inbetween that. I wonder if Clarko is keen to avoid it and move on.

 

[DocSholl]

I never mentioned Port.

Im talking of targeting what I believe to be the most valuable selection on the board.

WC f1

Fair enough. I can't see any situation where West Coast is trading their future first at the start of their rebuild.

 

[North1411]

If we trade JFH next year all we might get are picks from Adelaide teams.

This mega trade gives us much more options of getting targeted picks any where we like.

We must target WC f1.

Next year has a lot of WA talent, WC will not trade their f1 unless it is ridiculous overs

 

[JGreezy]

Far out. I can vividly remember the pure joy I felt when Jason Horne-Francis snagged 2 goals v Sydney, in the pre-season. I was with my old man (who played for the club) and he shed a tear, watching our future. It brought me to tears, in all honesty. I had to leave the room, pretending to do something.

Then in round one, we were again full of optimism. Watching Jase in the pre-game, run onto the G, then kick his first ever AFL goal, made the hairs stand up. The NMFC was on the right track, and this kid was to lead the way. We lost, but so what?

The following week was magnificent. The game didn't reach any great heights, but we won and JHF was brilliant, after copping a massive hit. He put his body on the line, Archer style. I remember the crowd, albeit small, cheering LOUDLY, when he went near it. He chased, tackled and looked every bit, a future captain. Plus, it was the first win many of us had seen, in a few years. My Brother was battling cancer, but he made it there and sank a few beers, throughout the game.

The Sydney game, wowee. That's when we knew that we had a future champion, in the making. JHF was playing, like he was already the captain. Sydney had no answers, so they had to throw Callum Mills onto him, in a run-with role. I had the pigeon chest puffed out, after this game. He was a Shinboner, to the core. Or, so it looked.

I don't know where it went wrong, but it's sad. My old man is disillusioned, so it's tough. Yes, the Bris game was tough. But, it wasn't the reason. It's almost like things went downhill, after JHF accidentally kneed Switkowski, in the head. I remember watching his body language, after that. I don't think I saw him fly for another mark, all season.

Anyway, that's me done.

I definitely thought that we had a future brownlow medalist after a couple of rounds.

But, in hindsight, later in the year I was really working hard to excuse what I was seeing.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

If we trade JFH next year all we might get are picks from Adelaide teams.

This mega trade gives us much more options of getting targeted picks any where we like.

We must target WC f1.

My main problem with keeping JHF is that I don't actually think he has the champion mindset to prove that he is a pick 1 whereas Daicos delivered as advertised on #4.

He might do a Capper at Brisbane and start blaming his team mates, or belt some opposition players who get into his head on field.

You would hope he would act like a professional in his contract year but I am somewhat skeptical the application would remotely match the talent.

 

[Psicosis]

Only positive of dealing with Port supporters, is that we haven’t been dealing with Saints supporters…

 

[Makeshift Park]

From what I've been told, Wardlaw is an absolute gun and if his hammies are okay then he should be at the top of this draft. So I would also prefer him.

And, an extra thought on Clarko/JHF. He is a young Indigenous kid who might have an issue with his Indigenous father in his ear about Port (my opinion). I don't know that the timing is great for Clarko to be the guy to get inbetween that. I wonder if Clarko is keen to avoid it and move on.

Sure. I can understand that hypothesis too.
I just don't understand why the GWS deal requires the Port deal when Sheezel + Busslinger or Jefferson + Hunter Clark is pretty damn compelling against just Cadman. (with Cooper in the final list spot too)
And I say this as someone who's been gunning for Cadman as the missing piece of our spine.

 

[benbanjo]

Only positive of dealing with Port supporters, is that we haven’t been dealing with Saints supporters…

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Who the feck is this handglider guy?

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

I’m not sure why we haven’t just gone to Port and told them don’t even bother until you have moved on a player to get the necessary capital.

Why start involving other clubs to accomodate their wishes to not have to trade a player.

I swear if Rawlings does any deal like this and comes out and claims we want to be known as good to deal with, the club will be getting a nasty email from myself.

Settle there is a bloke called Todd Viney and another named Clarkson who will have veto on this - please stop having a go at Rawlings every 5 minutes. Viney is a good operator and I can see him sitting back laughing at Tom Brownes suggested trade.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

We are being Rawlingsed again.

Give it a spell - constantly repeating the same thing doesn’t make it true.

 

[JGreezy]

Sure. I can understand that hypothesis too.
I just don't understand why the GWS deal requires the Port deal when Sheezel + Busslinger or Jefferson + Hunter Clark is pretty damn compelling against just Cadman. (with Cooper in the final list spot too)
And I say this as someone who's been gunning for Cadman as the missing piece of our spine.

I like the trade built around pick 2 (Wardlaw) and Port's F1 for Horne-Francis. I want that to happen.

We were looking at pick two and sweetners for JHF. We were never getting 2 + Port's F1 in that 3 way. That was going to WC.

I rate Port's F1 above pick 12, given the relative draft strengths. Maybe WC rate pick 12 higher and that gets the deal done where it didn't before.

And, maybe as a result, Port are giving us more sweetners. Either a player or more picks. Or they are absorbing Haynes, with the extra GWS pick going to us.

We would need to see the full trade.

 

[buttox]

Settle there is a bloke called Todd Viney and another named Clarkson who will have veto on this - please stop having a go at Rawlings every 5 minutes. Viney is a good operator and I can see him sitting back laughing at Tom Brownes suggested trade.

I was hoping you would say that mate
Cheers.

 

[R00StaR]

That isnt a strong hand in next years draft.

We need an extra pick at the pointy end to increase our chances of pick 1.

Trading out both JHF and pick 1 this year is the perfect opportunity.

Nobody will trade pick1 next year or for the next decade most likely. Hopefully we dont either.