List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[Captain Paddy]

Horrible forward.
Well worth a punt as a key back.
McCartin style career turn around on the cards.
Dees have no need for Weid back there with Petty, May & Lever.
Reminds me a lot of Liam Jones, not as good overhead but bigger bodied.
Would take a punt if cheap as a chb, but not willing to cough up much.


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Hasn’t thought about this at all but I like the idea

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

$850k for two years, to get a potential gun for the next 15 years at pick 7....

I would do that EVERY SINGLE YEAR!!

Imagine buying an extra pick 7 every year for just $1.7mil on the books. You'd eventually get to the point of having too many stars to buy more pick 7s!

As many have said, seems like a no-brainer. We must be in some trouble if losing Hanners, Ryder, Geary, Kent, Long, and possibly some of Hill, Clark and Bytel.... and yet we can't buy pick 7? Spells trouble. Hopefully not another coach trying to save his own arse with a quick fix instead of bringing in quality early picks.

The mind boggles. There must be some criminally overpaid players in our list.

Pick 7 and a decent player is the ultimate trade period steal. Why the **** are we not taking it. If you can see Geelong or another good club taking this and reaping the rewards why would we not do it??

 

[CursingFijian]

One of the issues with sports journalism and $’s, sometimes they mix as well as oil and water. But I think you’re on the money here.
My reading is: Bowes is owed $850k and he is on a $500k pa contract with two years remaining.
Total cost to the new club is $1.85mill by taking on the existing contract over a two year period.
As the total salary cap over those two years is $26mill approximately, the Bowes contract by itself is in excess of 7% of the cap for those two years.
That is a big investment in one player given the pressure to fairly compensate others. Especially when the average is less than 2.5%, and this is compounded by the quality of the player concerned.
The impact of the $850k owed would be defrayed if the contract is extended, say by another year at $500k. But it’s still significant.
The question becomes: can the Club fit the impact of the new contract into the planned salary cap for the next two years? Maybe, maybe not.
You’d hate to lose a Windhager because of it.
But given these numbers, I can see why the Club might not be interested.
Even with #7 as incentive.

St Kilda Fans --> We need to offload Hill & Hanners because their contracts are locking up our ability to flex in trade week. We must never again overpay for troubled players, or on potential.

St Kilda Fans --> Oooooh. Look JDG & Jack Bowes. Must. Have. Now.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

St Kilda Fans --> We need to offload Hill & Hanners because their contracts are locking up our ability to flex in trade week. We must never again overpay for troubled players, or on potential.

St Kilda Fans --> Oooooh. Look JDG & Jack Bowes. Must. Have. Now.

Pick 7!

 

[Captain Paddy]

Trade Radio just said Hill leaving is looking more unlikely than likely.

There is a chance this off season is the best thing that could happen for us.

If Hill stays he’s gonna have to come back in absolutely ripping shape because if he comes back a little heavy again there will be no punches pulled from the playing group I think.

Same for Hunter, no doubt he doesn’t want to leave but the club absolutely floated his name. If this isn’t a shot in the arm to go away and get himself in the best shape possible than it’s never going to work for the kid

 

[CanadianSaint]

Trade Radio just said Hill leaving is looking more unlikely than likely.

There is a chance this off season is the best thing that could happen for us.

If Hill stays he’s gonna have to come back in absolutely ripping shape because if he comes back a little heavy again there will be no punches pulled from the playing group I think.

Same for Hunter, no doubt he doesn’t want to leave but the club absolutely floated his name. If this isn’t a shot in the arm to go away and get himself in the best shape possible than it’s never going to work for the kid

Couldn't agree more, This is what I hope all of this trading Hill and Hunter BS was, all along. Fingers crossed, and we will know a far bit about a few early next year!

 

[stavro#4]

Mindset from one of the best in the business with a proven track record.

I’d love for us to just be ambitious like this

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I know people have suggested that maybe Sexton has been there too long.
But i still remember when everything was Richo's fault, he went to a new club and Bingo....Premiership.

 

[hayes]

Mindset from one of the best in the business with a proven track record.

I’d love for us to just be ambitious like this

They have to want to come to us though. Let’s not forget the ridiculous Shiel offer, we offered an enormous amount of money and he still went elsewhere. Until we draft our way out of this we’ll never be able to do what Richmond and Geelong do.

 

[Veer Right]

I know people have suggested that maybe Sexton has been there too long.
But i still remember when everything was Richo's fault, he went to a new club and Bingo....Premiership.

That was Richos influence? Come now...

Also saints went from 14th to 6th after his departure.

One thing i will say in Richos defence, he never had the support around him he needed.

 

[ghostdog]

I come in peace.
Someone on our board just mentioned StK is into Nick Bryan. Any ITKs here with insight to truth?
Many on our board regard him more highly than Draper for his more pure ruck skills, and he's on the verge of blossoming into a very good ruckman. So, there is the question of value. At least one person on our board has already said Pick 9. I can't see that happening, but it would still have to be a decent return given the calibre he's projecting. A first rounder I think.
If you land Bowes, 7 mitigates the loss of 9. Or can another first rounder be found elsewhere?

 

[stavro#4]

They have to want to come to us though. Let’s not forget the ridiculous Shiel offer, we offered an enormous amount of money and he still went elsewhere. Until we draft our way out of this we’ll never be able to do what Richmond and Geelong do.

I don’t think we are too different to Richmond 2016.

Crossroads for our clubs.

 

[_Maximus_12]

I come in peace.
Someone on our board just mentioned StK is into Nick Bryan. Any ITKs here with insight to truth?
Many on our board regard him more highly than Draper for his more pure ruck skills, and he's on the verge of blossoming into a very good ruckman. So, there is the question of value. At least one person on our board has already said Pick 9. I can't see that happening, but it would still have to be a decent return given the calibre he's projecting. A first rounder I think.
If you land Bowes, 7 mitigates the loss of 9. Or can another first rounder be found elsewhere?

You’re not getting a first rounder for a ruckman playing reserves

 

[Minga]

I come in peace.
Someone on our board just mentioned StK is into Nick Bryan. Any ITKs here with insight to truth?
Many on our board regard him more highly than Draper for his more pure ruck skills, and he's on the verge of blossoming into a very good ruckman. So, there is the question of value. At least one person on our board has already said Pick 9. I can't see that happening, but it would still have to be a decent return given the calibre he's projecting. A first rounder I think.
If you land Bowes, 7 mitigates the loss of 9. Or can another first rounder be found elsewhere?

Heard that rumour a while ago. Seems like a good player and all but there is zero chance we are giving pick 9 to a ruck whose only played 6 games at AFL level and was drafted at pick 38.

You won’t get anywhere near a first rounder for him if the rumours are true. We’d be looking at him on potential and buying low.

 

[Veer Right]

I come in peace.
Someone on our board just mentioned StK is into Nick Bryan. Any ITKs here with insight to truth?
Many on our board regard him more highly than Draper for his more pure ruck skills, and he's on the verge of blossoming into a very good ruckman. So, there is the question of value. At least one person on our board has already said Pick 9. I can't see that happening, but it would still have to be a decent return given the calibre he's projecting. A first rounder I think.
If you land Bowes, 7 mitigates the loss of 9. Or can another first rounder be found elsewhere?

If Bryan is worth pick 9, then Meek is worth pick 1. Come on man, he averaged 45 supercoach with 10 hitouts average per game. What he can do without Draper in the side remains to be seen. Pick 9 though, wow. Mind boggles how fans of their own players see things.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Teams interested without pick 7.

 

[OxSaint]

I come in peace.
Someone on our board just mentioned StK is into Nick Bryan. Any ITKs here with insight to truth?
Many on our board regard him more highly than Draper for his more pure ruck skills, and he's on the verge of blossoming into a very good ruckman. So, there is the question of value. At least one person on our board has already said Pick 9. I can't see that happening, but it would still have to be a decent return given the calibre he's projecting. A first rounder I think.
If you land Bowes, 7 mitigates the loss of 9. Or can another first rounder be found elsewhere?

He was mentioned on here weeks ago as a potential target but nothing recent.

1st rounder is respectfully laughable. His value is late second or third round pick.

1st rounders aren’t paid for VFL players unfortunately for Essendon.

 

[Joffaboy]

???

The Sexton thing, or something else you'd like to tell us???

Nah, just wanted to post wow [emoji1787][emoji1787]

 

[Munga]

Someone on our board just mentioned StK is into Nick Bryan.

Never heard of him. Is Bwyan a wuck?

 

[botts]

I come in peace.
Someone on our board just mentioned StK is into Nick Bryan. Any ITKs here with insight to truth?
Many on our board regard him more highly than Draper for his more pure ruck skills, and he's on the verge of blossoming into a very good ruckman. So, there is the question of value. At least one person on our board has already said Pick 9. I can't see that happening, but it would still have to be a decent return given the calibre he's projecting. A first rounder I think.
If you land Bowes, 7 mitigates the loss of 9. Or can another first rounder be found elsewhere?

It would be highly unlikely we will offer up our first round pick. Is he contracted?

 

[bird_man]

I come in peace.
Someone on our board just mentioned StK is into Nick Bryan. Any ITKs here with insight to truth?
Many on our board regard him more highly than Draper for his more pure ruck skills, and he's on the verge of blossoming into a very good ruckman. So, there is the question of value. At least one person on our board has already said Pick 9. I can't see that happening, but it would still have to be a decent return given the calibre he's projecting. A first rounder I think.
If you land Bowes, 7 mitigates the loss of 9. Or can another first rounder be found elsewhere?

No way are we giving a top 10 pick for him

 

[hayes]

I come in peace.
Someone on our board just mentioned StK is into Nick Bryan. Any ITKs here with insight to truth?
Many on our board regard him more highly than Draper for his more pure ruck skills, and he's on the verge of blossoming into a very good ruckman. So, there is the question of value. At least one person on our board has already said Pick 9. I can't see that happening, but it would still have to be a decent return given the calibre he's projecting. A first rounder I think.
If you land Bowes, 7 mitigates the loss of 9. Or can another first rounder be found elsewhere?

Silly season has officially started.

 

[ghostdog]

You’re not getting a first rounder for a ruckman playing reserves

He was mentioned on here weeks ago as a potential target but nothing recent.

1st rounder is respectfully laughable. His value is late second or third round pick.

1st rounders aren’t paid for VFL players unfortunately for Essendon.

If Bryan is worth pick 9, then Meek is worth pick 1. Come on man, he averaged 45 supercoach with 10 hitouts average per game. What he can do without Draper in the side remains to be seen. Pick 9 though, wow. Mind boggles how fans of their own players see things.

Heard that rumour a while ago. Seems like a good player and all but there is zero chance we are giving pick 9 to a ruck whose only played 6 games at AFL level and was drafted at pick 38.

You won’t get anywhere near a first rounder for him if the rumours are true. We’d be looking at him on potential and buying low.

Yeah I didn't expect Pick 9. Obviously a first rounder would be a starting point if the question was asked though. I certainly wouldn't respond to suggestion of a 3rd round pick. The bulk of the development work is done. He'll be ready for consistent AFL time next year I think, and I'd actually prefer we kept him; he and Draper will make an awesome 1-2 punch and Wright wouldn't have to ruck.

Anyway, responses here make it seem like a 2nd rounder is probably more appropriate from your end. If Bryan wants out, of course I hope Dodoro squeezes a first out of you. A late first would be great.

 

[SaintWWodonga]

I hope we steer clear dealing with Essendon, Dodoro is shocking to deal with.

 

[gubby88]

Yeah I didn't expect Pick 9. Obviously a first rounder would be a starting point if the question was asked though. I certainly wouldn't respond to suggestion of a 3rd round pick. The bulk of the development work is done. He'll be ready for consistent AFL time next year I think, and I'd actually prefer we kept him; he and Draper will make an awesome 1-2 punch and Wright wouldn't have to ruck.

Anyway, responses here make it seem like a 2nd rounder is probably more appropriate from your end. If Bryan wants out, of course I hope Dodoro squeezes a first out of you. A late first would be great.

If Bryan is worth pick 9, the Bytel is worth 2 firsts....

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