List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[HunterClarksHeadband]

Too s**t for St Kilda.

Perfect for the Greatest coach in the modern era

I’ll be f*ckin shattered if Longy is gone.

 

[George]

The thing is you don't need to start from a full bottom out. You're better to hire the best recruiter available and have a no top ups policy. Draft and play kids. Move on guys like Butler, Wood or others who are good enough to be in the side but not going to be on the list that plays in the next premiership. Even keep some of them for depth but have a play the kids policy. Ideally with a coach that has some structure and systems.

I think we roll the dice for one more year and see what happens. If we miss finals I think we almost implode and start again anyway.

Sitting here right now I find it really difficult to see how we turn it around. I think we have good players we can build a side around but a lot who pick and choose when to show up. Again I think our biggest issue is between the ears and perhaps bringing in established players from other clubs has tarnished the culture. Perhaps getting a core group of young kids coming through together is what will build a stronger culture and get the side playing for one another - I don't see too much of that now.

I'm also worried about our form in the second half of the year as typically your formline to end one season continues on into the start of the next. If we don't start well next year it could go downhill quickly...we don't have much time to turn it around and it will be tough because all the work over the pre-season will ultimately show us nothing because we haven't tested it against opposition - whereas if we are shit during season we have the chance to turn that around and show the players some tangible evidence of it changing.

 

[Sunshine Sainter]

Saints on the front foot, re: Hill contract

Saints want Brad Hill to stay amid links to fourth club

Hill is contracted until the end of 2025.

www.sen.com.au

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Good move. If you want to sell something for the best price, do you tell possible purchasers that what you are desperate to get rid of the item, or do you tell all that you really want to keep it and extol its features. Points to the fact that the club want to trade Hill for the best outcome we can get.

 

[Mowman]

I’ll be f*ckin shattered if Longy is gone.

Yep same

But the season finished nearly 2 weeks ago and he hasn't signed, he will be at North imo

 

[XhazzafootyX]

I’ll be f*ckin shattered if Longy is gone.

Same.

He’s not perfect, but he is sometimes the only ones that gives a shit out there.

If they offer a better deal with a few more years I think we are in trouble.

 

[Joffaboy]

I’ll be f*ckin shattered if Longy is gone.

Long gone, NWM gone ( likely), Hill gone ( not bad but still a mess).
And people wonder I am down grading my membership.
The club, with its false dawns, it's weak mentality, it's haphazard game style, its lack of ball skills etc etc, now losing ,( possibly), the one of a few hard nuts in Long, and a talent ( maybe) in NWM, shows the club never learns.

 

[bergholt]

Good move. If you want to sell something for the best price, do you tell possible purchasers that what you are desperate to get rid of the item, or do you tell all that you really want to keep it and extol its features. Points to the fact that the club want to trade Hill for the best outcome we can get.

Yep all negotiation

 

[jh38]

Yep same

But the season finished nearly 2 weeks ago and he hasn't signed, he will be at North imo

Why would he stay, all we've done for the past year is play him as a medi-sub. He was solid for us in defence in 2020, so what do we do for the next 2 years? play him as a forward. I'd also want to move on if thats the treatment I'd copped.

 

[Miha]

That's crazy, we've lived through a pretty successful era in the clubs history I reckon. 90's were good, 00's were great, and the last ten not so much. Not much to complain about compared to the older supporters. I think also that since the AFL's inception we've been one of the more successful sides.

I try and get to a handful of games a year and I reckon I'm a pretty s**t supporter because of it. The stuff I post on here is just usually trying to find the positives (I try and keep the pessimism off the forum) but generally I'm pretty pessimistic about it all.

At this point I would prefer we do a North and bottom out to go through a traditional rebuild - that's not to say I think we're s**t, but we're just consistently average and so to me that's still reason to rebuild. Instead of moving on established players for other established players we should stock up on picks and bring the age of the list down. There is no evidence of the way we're going about things now having worked at other clubs in the past so I am worried.

It’s the manner of the losses that get to me, the consistent blow out and lack of effort is a real kick in the guts because we’ve seen it all before. It hit a little harder this year when coming up against the Dees in a “Top 4” clash we got shat on. Sydney game comes to mind too.

I’ve been thinking a lot about where to from here.. My focus has been the coaching which is why I’m actually excited about this review and Noble coming in. I told myself if there wasn’t any attempt to look at the coaching, I’m out! A review is exactly what I was hoping for.

We did well in the draft last season, I really want to hit the club hit the draft as hard as possible this year and maybe snag a FA so we hopefully have a core of good young players to reenergise the list. A North bottom out petrifies me with the coaches we have on board atm, would be a disaster. We would manage relegation some how. We need fresh eyes and ideas to help the youngsters develop and reinvigorate the older guys.

 

[gubby88]

Media - Another team has approaches some players

BigFooty - EvErYoNeS jUmPiNg ShIp AnD wE wIlL oNlY gEt PiCk 100 FoR tHeM.....

Think everyone just needs a flipping chill pill....it's not even trade time yet and everyone is leaving and no one is coming apparently......




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[gringo2011]

Sitting here right now I find it really difficult to see how we turn it around. I think we have good players we can build a side around but a lot who pick and choose when to show up. Again I think our biggest issue is between the ears and perhaps bringing in established players from other clubs has tarnished the culture. Perhaps getting a core group of young kids coming through together is what will build a stronger culture and get the side playing for one another - I don't see too much of that now.

I'm also worried about our form in the second half of the year as typically your formline to end one season continues on into the start of the next. If we don't start well next year it could go downhill quickly...we don't have much time to turn it around and it will be tough because all the work over the pre-season will ultimately show us nothing because we haven't tested it against opposition - whereas if we are s**t during season we have the chance to turn that around and show the players some tangible evidence of it changing.

Cohesion is hard to build with high turn over. To me with a good forward coach alone we could right the ship and stumble into finals. Heaps will come down to luck with injury and fixture. Then really need to hope for other sides not to step up. I don't think the current lot wanted a premiership, just a more competitive side.

 

[gringo2011]

Media - Another team has approaches some players

BigFooty - EvErYoNeS jUmPiNg ShIp AnD wE wIlL oNlY gEt PiCk 100 FoR tHeM.....

Think everyone just needs a *ing chill pill....it's not even trade time yet and everyone is leaving and no one is coming apparently......


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Still more of the same shit. The hope drains a little more every year and the messiahs never seem to arrive...or if the do they drink all our wine, bang our wives and run off after draining our bank accounts.

 

[gubby88]

Why would he stay, all we've done for the past year is play him as a medi-sub. He was solid for us in defence in 2020, so what do we do for the next 2 years? play him as a forward. I'd also want to move on if thats the treatment I'd copped.

Actually most people wanted him dropped in 2020. Said he wasn't reliable enough in defence and gave away too many silly free kicks.

He did well as a pressure forward the last 2 years, but people still wanted him dropped.

He had a very very good back end of the year....think you need to go back and have a look at the facts instead of remembering dreams.

I've got a feeling he will stay. Just negotiating a contract or there would be alot more than just "Clarko approached Hill, long and rioli"




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[gubby88]

Still more of the same s**t. The hope drains a little more every year and the messiahs never seem to arrive...or if the do they drink all our wine, bang our wives and run off after draining our bank accounts.

What messiahs though? Everyone including you wrote off hanners before he even got here....

We haven't traded for any messiahs since the mid 2000s....

You can't call Hill a messiah because he's never been a top 50 player....

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[gringo2011]

What messiahs though? Everyone including you wrote off hanners before he even got here....

We haven't traded for any messiahs since the mid 2000s....

You can't call Hill a messiah because he's never been a top 50 player....

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Players, coaches, administrators. The all bring in new ways to shit on us. Hill was a $900k lemon then, why the **** did we pay a king's ransom and superstar money to a shit truck that we knew was rubbish?

 

[Mowman]

You can't call Hill a messiah because he's never been a top 50 player....

so why did we pay 900k x 5 for him ? Club must of thought he was pretty special

 

[gubby88]

Players, coaches, administrators. The all bring in new ways to s**t on us. Hill was a $900k lemon then, why the * did we pay a king's ransom and superstar money to a s**t truck that we knew was rubbish?

Because at the time it's what we needed. Unfortunately gameplans and coaches changed, that's also what he cost. Even though he hasn't been a top 50 player, he has always been one of the best wingers.

Everyone in the media and on bigfooty said we needed a winger with excellent skills to deliver to Max and we would be on our way.

You're smarter than this Gringo. I think you just carry on because you like the reaction and heat you get from the others

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[t_94]

Too s**t for St Kilda.

Perfect for the Greatest coach in the modern era

Like Darren Minchington?

Long simply doesn’t get enough of the ball. That last game was good but huge stretches of games over his career he just goes missing. No great loss.

 

[gubby88]

so why did we pay 900k x 5 for him ? Club must of thought he was pretty special

See above

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[PandaG]

Our contested possession numbers would be through the roof.

Kicking efficiency 18%

 

[BrutThough]

I like Long but he is extremely replaceable.

If he has a better offer from North, he should take it.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Sitting here right now I find it really difficult to see how we turn it around. I think we have good players we can build a side around but a lot who pick and choose when to show up. Again I think our biggest issue is between the ears and perhaps bringing in established players from other clubs has tarnished the culture. Perhaps getting a core group of young kids coming through together is what will build a stronger culture and get the side playing for one another - I don't see too much of that now.

I'm also worried about our form in the second half of the year as typically your formline to end one season continues on into the start of the next. If we don't start well next year it could go downhill quickly...we don't have much time to turn it around and it will be tough because all the work over the pre-season will ultimately show us nothing because we haven't tested it against opposition - whereas if we are s**t during season we have the chance to turn that around and show the players some tangible evidence of it changing.

Watching Southampton last night .... a young supposedly inferior team beat up Chelsea was glorious ..... they absolutely hunted them down and a showed mental willingness to never give up and they didn't and probably should have won 4-1

We were definitely lacking a mental edge in the 2nd half of the season and even at times in the 1st half of the season we seemingly lost or lacked concentration and commitment

It's one area we could improve upon immensely

 

[George]

they drink all our wine, bang our wives and run off after draining our bank accounts.

Dard Ball Get stayed over at yours recently has he?

 

[puppy_dog7]

This could be a good pick up. Just fallen out of favour with plenty of ceiling to go.

Would love Tarryn Thomas! Straight swap for Hill

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Would love Tarryn Thomas! Straight swap for Hill

What's his headspace like .... seemed pretty fragile recently