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List Mgmt. 2023 Draft Thread - Part I

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gringo2011 said:
Phillipou has the frame that looks like it will fill out nicely. Fyfe looked like an angry pipe-cleaner in his draft year. I can see the opposite with Mattaes with him bulking too much to be a full time mid. Reckon if he works in the gym he could end up with a Kouta type build.
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With good trainers, he can build the type of body required for the midfield. He could alternatively build a bigger body to play mainly as a forward.
 
Sniffy Jenkins said:
If the Tholstrup to Melbourne rumours come true and one of Wilson or Windsor slides to us, do we call their name out?

I get a feeling Wilson could slide. Think he has more productivity than Windsor but Windsor looks to have the better skills, speed.

Wilson reminds me of Acres getting up and down the ground all day involved in everything.

Windsor reminds me of Isaac Smith the way he glides across the ground.
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I'd be going Wilson over Windsor any day of the week
 
bird_man said:
I'd be going Wilson over Windsor any day of the week
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OxSaint said:
I can see us going best available at our first pick and needs from our second pick onwards. Let’s not forget the our 2nd pick may be a “1st rounder” but it looks like it will be after the mid point in this draft and closer to a traditional mid second round pick.
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I’d be taking best available for our first 2 picks!
 
Sniffy Jenkins said:
If the Tholstrup to Melbourne rumours come true and one of Wilson or Windsor slides to us, do we call their name out?

I get a feeling Wilson could slide. Think he has more productivity than Windsor but Windsor looks to have the better skills, speed.

Wilson reminds me of Acres getting up and down the ground all day involved in everything.

Windsor reminds me of Isaac Smith the way he glides across the ground.
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I think Toce would be happy with either!
 
Significant said:
A bit of ducks and drakes happening behind the shadows me feels, particularly Hawks who are synonymous with last week meetings and throwing the scent a bit. Wouldn't say the news means it's a fait accompli.

They are small forwards, hardest position on the park to play, as their play is dictated by the full ground defense and backline structure of the opponent, and reliant on our offense ball movement being able to overcome this.

On Higgins, like Gresh, he was an AA mid in the U18s. Not saying it translates, but maybe a few stints on ball and even as that high half forward could be an alternative.
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Honestly doubt Higgins would have the tank or spread capabilities for the midfield.
 
Parkysp said:
Edwards and Delean for first two for me*. At the picks we have they seem a fair and reasonable swing for the fences with need. sure in 5 years we should have done something else but at pick 13 (16ish) and 21 (24ish) you can't hang your recruiters.

In the EPL managers bring in players to keep the incumbents honest. Our small forwards need to be given a rocket. Delean can take a mark and also get into 'Joe the goose' position. That seems to be the intersection point of what we have that a new guy would catch the eye of coaches which the senior players should notice.

* worth less than a pinch of !@#$
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I thought Delean was meant to go quite late in the draft? Where are they thinking that he goes?
 
Sniffy Jenkins said:
If the Tholstrup to Melbourne rumours come true and one of Wilson or Windsor slides to us, do we call their name out?

I get a feeling Wilson could slide. Think he has more productivity than Windsor but Windsor looks to have the better skills, speed.

Wilson reminds me of Acres getting up and down the ground all day involved in everything.

Windsor reminds me of Isaac Smith the way he glides across the ground.
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Wilson has some moves. I reckon he moves like Lenny Hayes and likes a blind turn and side-step. Windsor looks very good but outside players can struggle to translate to AFL. Both look good to me, both have some risk attached. Edwards and Simpson are the two who I think have the highest ceiling and the right skill set to be low risk and suit needs.
 
tomjoad said:
Not sure Max has it in him to be scary or intimidating. He's got that racehorse build, like Rooey. He's the type of guy to develop boobs and a vestigial tail by taking 'roids rather than developing shoulder boulders...so perhaps better to leave him galloping wild and clunking marks.
Jack Hayes however...now, he has the bulk and mad head, to pull off a G-train vibe. If he can sort out his injuries, I think he'd look good as a bollocking FF.
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That moustache intimidates nobody.
 
bird_man said:
I'd be going Wilson over Windsor any day of the week
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If things pan out like it's being suggested it looks like we just end up with the last player of that recognized 2nd teir.
Windsor is my least favorite but not a bad result given the pick number.
Alternatively we might even sell that pick for a future first. Also not a bad outcome.
 

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gringo2011 said:
Wilson has some moves. I reckon he moves like Lenny Hayes and likes a blind turn and side-step. Windsor looks very good but outside players can struggle to translate to AFL. Both look good to me, both have some risk attached. Edwards and Simpson are the two who I think have the highest ceiling and the right skill set to be low risk and suit needs.
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Of the realistic possibilities Edwards and Simpson with our first 2 picks would make me the happiest.
There's opportunity for another 2 best availables and maybe Docking slips through which would be a good haul all things considered.
Still want Neddy Long training with us over preseason and Stewart makes sense if he's fit.

Dow 24yo
Henry 22yo
Edwards
Simpson
Mannagh ? 26yo
Visentini ?
Docking ?
Long ? 21yo
Stewart ? 30yo
 
ScrappyDo said:
If things pan out like it's being suggested it looks like we just end up with the last player of that recognized 2nd teir.
Windsor is my least favorite but not a bad result given the pick number.
Alternatively we might even sell that pick for a future first. Also not a bad outcome.
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Windsor reminds me a lot of Lachie O'Brien. Looks really good with ball in hand but rarely can he find his own footy and doesn't seem to get a huge amount of it.

I just can't get excited about him.
 
Looking less likely that WC will trade Pick 1 (still might happen) but the Age suggesting they are definitely looking at trading their next years first to get Curtain.

If that happens, who knows what the draft order will end up looking like.
 

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Compromised drafts are totally ****ing the whole show.
 
pebblesofsand said:
Looking less likely that WC will trade Pick 1 (still might happen) but the Age suggesting they are definitely looking at trading their next years first to get Curtain.

If that happens, who knows what the draft order will end up looking like.
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Weather it's orchestrated or not l still think we'll see Norff cave in and pay for pick 1.
 
Hun's mock draft is out, has us bid on Croft, take Tholstrup, then take Dawson (over Roberts!)

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AFL Mock Draft: Our experts play the role of club recruiters in live draft​

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Jordan Pinto, Chris Cavanagh and Dan Batten


Our draft experts Chris Cavanagh, Jordan Pinto and Dan Batten played the role of club recruiters and ran through their very own live mock draft.

The exercise includes father-son and academy bids and provide an insight into what clubs might be thinking on the night.
The mock draft will be based on club needs and who would be a good fit for your side, rather than a actual prediction on where each prospect will be taken.
We will be unveiling our phantom draft later this week, which will predict who is going where, based on the latest intel – so stay tuned for that.
WHO WE’RE PICKING FOR
Chris Cavanagh — Collingwood, GWS, St Kilda, West Coast, Western Bulldogs
Jordan Pinto — Adelaide, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne
Dan Batten — Essendon, Geelong, North Melbourne, Richmond, Sydney
Note: We took turns matching Academy and father-son bids

2023 AFL MOCK DRAFT​

1. West Coast (Chris Cavanagh)​

Harley Reid​

Bendigo Pioneers/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 187cm, 85kg
Chris Cavanagh says: Unless North Melbourne is giving me picks 2 and 3, I’m bringing Reid west. After some dismal years, the Eagles need an injection of hope and that will come by selecting Reid at No.1 – a player who could change the face of the club over coming years. He’s ready to go at AFL level next season and under the new collective bargaining agreement, the Eagles will have him locked in for at least three years. Perth might be a long way from Tongala, but West Coast is a big and powerful club which should back itself to make the move work.

2. Gold Coast (Jordan Pinto)​

Jed Walter​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Forward, 194cm, 97kg
Matching North Melbourne’s bid
Jordan Pinto says: Held out faint hope that North might let him through but, like Gold Coast will on Monday night, had no hesitation in matching the bid. Attacks the body just as ferociously as he attacks the ball in the air. There haven’t been too many key-forwards come through the draft like Walter in recent times.

3. North Melbourne (Dan Batten)​

Colby McKercher​

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Midfielder, 180cm, 76kg
Dan Batten says: The Roos aren’t exactly short on blue chip midfielders, but at this range you have to draft the best available talent and that’s McKercher with Jed Walter matched by Gold Coast. The Tasmanian oozes class, has blistering speed, finds the footy for fun and can launch long range goals on the run.

4. North Melbourne (Dan)​

Daniel Curtin​

Claremont/WA, Defender/Midfielder, 197cm, 95kg
Dan says: North Melbourne is crying out for a key defender and Curtin is the best of the lot in the draft. Thought hard about taking Zane Duursma, but Curtin is No.4 on my draft board anyway. Love his intercepting, tidy skills by foot and his potential to be used in the midfield or up forward.

5. Hawthorn (Jordan)​

Zane Duursma​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Midfielder/Forward, 189cm, 79kg
Jordan says: The Crows called after Duursma got past North Melbourne, but it was a brief conversation. The smooth-mover is dynamic – and often unstoppable – in the forward-half and has serious potential as a tall, goalkicking midfielder. A great result for Hawthorn here.

6. Western Bulldogs (Chris)​

Nick Watson​

Eastern Ranges/VIC, Forward, 170cm, 68kg
Chris says: There are plenty of talented talls in the Bulldogs forward line, but there is a void of good smalls. Cody Weightman kicked 34 goals this year, but played a lone hand as a specialist in an attack that was otherwise filled by midfielders resting forward. Watson looks the perfect partner for Weightman, as a clever pressure forward who can weave some magic and hit the scoreboard with ease.

7. Gold Coast (Dan)​

Ethan Read​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Ruck, 202cm, 92kg
Matching Melbourne’s bid
Dan says: We were hoping Read would receive a bid a bit later, but he’ll be worth the extra draft points. Read finished third in the entire pool for the 2km time trial and it shows in his game, working his backside off around the ground where he becomes a fourth midfielder. See definite similarities to Tim English, and his running gives him the potential to play as a key position player at either end of the ground.

8. Melbourne (Jordan)​

Nate Caddy​

Northern Knights/VIC, Forward, 193cm, 88kg
Jordan says: Ethan Read was too good not to bid on. After the Suns matched, I looked very, very closely at on-ball star Ryley Sanders, but there isn’t a player in the draft like Caddy. His upside is as high as any and he’d be a great addition to the Demons’ front-half, if not the midfield down the track.

9. GWS (Chris)​

Ryley Sanders​

Sandringham Dragons/TAS, Midfielder, 186cm, 86kg
Chris says: Jordan (Crows) came calling with two of Adelaide’s first-round calls, but I couldn’t overlook Sanders here. The Giants should be looking to bolster their midfield and Sanders is the clear pick of the remaining onballers. Callan Ward and Stephen Coniglio were still playing some great footy this year, but Ward is 33 and Coniglio turns 30 next month. Sanders is a midfield bull who finds plenty of the footy inside and outside the contest and uses it well. He would pair nicely with Tom Green in the Giants’ midfield of the future.

10. Geelong (Dan)​

Connor O’Sullivan​

Murray Bushrangers/NSW-ACT, Defender, 198cm, 92kg
Dan says: We were hoping the Sanders slide would continue, but we’re more than happy to pick up O’Sullivan. The strong-marking key defender is an upgrade on Esava Ratugolea and could play a role for the Cats next year with his size and elite running capacity.

11. Gold Coast (Chris)​

Jake Rogers​

Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Midfielder, 170cm, 68kg
Matching Essendon’s bid
Chris says: He’s on the smaller side for AFL midfielders these days, but the Suns would not be the slightest bit put off by that. Rogers is right up there among the top tier of players in this year’s draft, as a quick, agile, clean and tough inside midfielder. Touk Miller has been an outstanding player for Gold Coast over the years and Rogers is a very similar type.

12. Essendon (Dan)​

Darcy Wilson​

Murray Bushrangers/VIC, Wing/forward, 185cm, 74kg
Dan says: A tough choice beween Wilson, Caleb Windsor and James Leake, but I settled for the attacking outside player in Wilson. Feel his elite speed-endurance mix will compliment Essendon’s engine room, and he can make a serious impact forward of centre as a winger or half forward.

13. Adelaide (Jordan)​

Caleb Windsor​

Eastern Ranges/VIC, midfielder, 184cm, 76kg
Jordan says: After being knocked back by GWS for what would’ve been Ryley Sanders, the cheers rang out in Adelaide’s (mock) draft room after the Bombers overlooked the classy mover, Windsor, who has a great turn of speed, which helps him get out of trouble, break lines and kick goals on the outside. He’s shown enough to suggest he can develop into the smart, all-round midfielder – one with clean hands at ground level who finds targets under pressure – the Crows need.

14. Melbourne (Jordan)​

James Leake​

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 187cm, 77kg
Jordan says: I would’ve considered Windsor but a good result for the Dees here. There’s a lot to like in the air and on the ground – and in multiple positions – about Leake, who Melbourne would probably look to start forward early on.

15. Hawthorn (Jordan)​

Will McCabe​

Central Districts/SA, Defender, 197cm, 86kg
Matching Sydney’s bid
Jordan says: The bid is a bit earlier than expected, but I’m matching it, bringing the son of 138-game Hawk, Luke, to the club. McCabe is terrific at winning the ball back off the opposition in the air and attacking, but he’s also very good one-on-one.

16. Sydney (Dan)​

Ollie Murphy​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 200cm, 85kg
Dan says: After yet another Sydney first-round bid, I have gone with Murphy. The Swans lack key defensive depth and Murphy is not much further back on my board than McCabe. Will take some time, but Murphy is an elite runner with go-go gadget arms that can clunk marks and spoil. Not bad for a player standing 200cm.

17. Western Bulldogs (Chris)​

Jordan Croft​

Calder Cannons/VIC, Forward, 200cm, 81kg
Matching St Kilda bid
Chris says: If I’m the Saints, I’m thinking that Croft should not slip any further. I’m also thinking he would look good in my forward line alongside Max King. But the Bulldogs will clearly be matching the bid wherever it comes for their father-son. Jordan’s dad Matthew was a defender, but his son is a hard-working, mobile, marking tall forward who showed some significant growth in his game this year.
St Kilda’s new cult hero Koltyn Tholstrup? Picture: Will Russell/AFL Photos

St Kilda’s new cult hero Koltyn Tholstrup? Picture: Will Russell/AFL Photos

18. St Kilda (Chris)​

Koltyn Tholstrup​

Subiaco/WA, Forward/Midfielder, 186cm, 86kg
Chris says: The Saints added a little X-Factor to their forward half last year in Mattaes Phillipou, but could do with some more after losing Jade Gresham to free agency. Tholstrup is a dynamic forward who can also pinch-hit in the midfield and have an impact with his agility and running power. Having played a significant amount of senior WAFL football this year, he’s also a player capable of making an immediate impact.

19. Adelaide (Jordan)​

Charlie Edwards​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Midfielder, 191cm, 85kg
Jordan says: The class and smarts of Windsor at 13, now the height and explosiveness of Edwards here, in a haul that could seriously change the look of the Crows’ midfield in the coming years. Edwards has played across half-back but it’s the way he put his big body, clean hands and breakaway speed to great effect in the midfield that caught the eye.

20. North Melbourne (Dan)​

Lance Collard​

Subiaco/WA, Forward, 180cm, 65kg
Dan says: North Melbourne can afford to take a punt with one of these end-of-first-round picks, and Collard has freakish ability as a small forward. The difference between his best and worst was stark this year, but his upside is as high as any in the draft pool. His exciting potential has seen the Eagles Next Generation Academy prospect bolt into first-round contention.

21. GWS (Chris)​

Riley Hardeman​

Swan Districts/WA, Defender, 185cm, 75kg
Chris says: The Giants don’t have too many immediate list holes, but they wouldn’t be unhappy to snag Hardeman at this selection. He’s got some great athletic traits – including line-breaking speed coming out of the backline – and is a nice left-foot kick who can also have a run through the midfield.

22. North Melbourne (Dan)​

Harry DeMattia​

Dandenong Stingrays/VIC, Midfielder/Forward/Defender, 185cm, 78kg
Dan says: We thought GWS had enough halfbacks, but Cav has pinched Hardeman away from us. Instead of Hardeman, we’ll go with the versatile DeMattia, who could be used as a rebounding defender or just about anywhere on the ground. An elite cricketer before choosing footy, DeMattia would be a lock for North Melbourne’s leadership group in the future with his character, and his speed and agility can inject some spark into the Roos side.

23. North Melbourne (Dan)​

Will Green​

Northern Knights/VIC, Ruck, 204cm, 93kg
Dan says: After Todd Goldstein’s departure, the Roos have just three recognized rucks on their list, and none under the age of 24. Green is very mobile for a player standing 204cm and his follow up work and clean hands at ground level mean he can impact once the ball hits the deck. Has great scope and can learn the ropes under Tristan Xerri for a few years as he builds size.

24. Collingwood (Chris)​

Arie Schoenmaker​

Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 194cm, 91kg
Chris says: The reigning premiers have clearly got a pretty rock-solid defence already. However, Jeremy Howe is 33 and Nathan Murphy has had his concussion issues. So I’d be looking at bolstering the backline just a touch with Schoenmaker. The Tasmanian is a good size and has a booming left-foot kick to provide some rebound out of the back half. So I could picture him fitting in nicely at the Pies.

25. Adelaide (Jordan)​

Taylor Goad​

South Adelaide/SA, Ruck, 206cm, 97kg
Jordan says: The Pies jumped me here – I would’ve taken, arguably, the best kick in the draft Schoenmaker at this pick. But the Crows need to find their next No. 1 ruckman for the future and South Australian Goad could be it. He’s raw but the former basketballer is the tallest and quickest in this year’s SA crop, making him unlike any prospect to ever come out of the state.

26. St Kilda (Chris)​

Wil Dawson​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Defender/Ruck/Forward, 200cm, 86kg
Chris says: Having picked a smaller player in Tholstrup first up, the Saints should be looking for some height and Dawson looks a good fit. He’s played a range of positions but settled primarily down back this year. While Dawson still has a few areas of his game to work on, he’s a good size, competitive and takes intercept marks so there’s a lot to like.

27. Carlton (Jordan)​

Archie Roberts​

Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 184cm, 79kg
Jordan says: With the Blues list in great shape, and stars on every line, I’m going best available here and that’s Roberts, who is very good at what he does. He’s a neat ball-user who backs himself and takes the game on, setting up play from the back-half as creatively as anyone in the pool. Would slot in nicely alongside the elite running of Ollie Hollands and the line-breaking traits of Lachie Cowan on the outside for Carlton in years to come.

28. West Coast (Chris)​

Clay Hall​

Peel Thunder/WA, Midfielder, 189cm, 87kg
Chris says: The Eagles hold the first pick of the second night of the draft, which is always an interesting selection. If there’s a surprise slider from night one, other clubs might look to trade for it. But based on what we have here, I’d be looking local at Clay Hall. He’s a hard-working onballer who is a good size and has a nice mix between his inside and outside game. There’s also a bit of romance involved, given Clay’s father Derek played a couple of games for the Eagles 30 years ago in 1993.

29. Geelong (Dan)​

Angus Hastie​

Geelong Falcons/VIC, Defender, 190cm, 74kg
Dan says: We weighed up Luamon Lual and Cats VFL debutant George Stevens, but we are a sucker for a local Geelong product. He fills a need, too, with Zach Tuohy entering what is likely to be his final season. The balanced defender takes the game on with his run and sidestep and can also perform lockdown roles on smalls and talls.

30. Carlton (Jordan)​

Mitchell Edwards​

Peel Thunder/WA, Ruck, 206cm, 89kg
Jordan says: The goal sense and footy smarts of Phoenix Gothard put him right in the mix here but, like the previous Carlton selection, WA ruckman Mitch Edwards is just too good a prospect to pass up. As a great tap ruckman, who marks strongly around the ground, Edwards proved his worth with a number of standout showings across multiple levels this year. And the Blues wouldn’t need to rush his development.

31. Richmond (Dan)​

Archer Reid​

Gippsland Power/VIC, Forward/Ruck, 203cm, 94kg
Dan says: The Tigers need a developing key forward after Jack Riewoldt’s retirement and Reid looks to be the next best on offer. Is quite athletic for his size and also can pinch hit in the ruck, which is handy considering Ivan Soldo’s departure.
 
Here is my consensus phantom , taking into account Fox, Twomey, Sporting News, ESPN, and House of Footy.
The range is the earliest and latest they are tipped to be taken.
I added some big footy drafts for the second range, just in case someone wants to hope we can get Ollie Murphy with our second pick, pinning their hopes to what some lunatic posted on big footy.


Team ------------------------------- Player ------------------------------------ Range ------------------ ( Inc BigFooty Phantoms)

WCReid11
SunsWalter22
NorthMcKercher3-53-6
NorthDuursma3-43-4
HawksWatson5-74-8
BulldogsCurtin4-83-8
DemonsSanders6-85-11
SunsRead6-96-11
GWSO'Sullivan9-108-10
CatsCaddy8-118-14
EssendonLeake11-1311-16
CrowsWilson10-1510-15
SunsRogers12-1412-20
BuldogsCroft11-1410-23
DemonsWindsor11-158-15
SwansMurphy15-2415-28
SaintsCollard14-2414-24
CrowsTholstrup16-2415-24
HawksMcCabe16-1916-25
NorthHardeman17-2117-21
GWSDeMattia18-2913-29
NorthC Edwards21-2613-30
NorthRoberts20-2520-27+
CollingwoodGreen20-27+15-27+
CrowsSchoenmaker21-27+21-27+
SaintsJiath22-3122-31
BluesA Reid24-2721-27
 
stfan said:
It is indeed.

Reading that it suggests when he was young he was very skinny and lacked the body to compete as a mid.

But later as he filled out, and became stronger, that all changed!

I am hoping for same with Phillipou. This year playing in the seniors against men and mature bodies when in the midfield he struggled and was often shunted out of the way. You could always still see Phillipou's quick mind and hands at work, but his boyish body limited his ability to impact in 2023 in the midfield. Hoping to see him stronger in 2024. By 2025 watch out
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i think it shows that you need scope for improvement. usually around fitness or getting your body right.
 
Joffaboy said:
I have a feeling we will regret not drafting DiMattio.
Hope I am wrong

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app
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I view any of these kids that have developed facial hair as likely being more physically developed than their peers who can’t even grow bum fluff. Thus getting a temporary physical advantage.
HUGE stereotype I know, but something to think about still.
 

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