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Analysis 2023 Draft Watch

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marleyblue said:
He's the one - if he slips due to his height, I hope we offer 16 and our future first to try and trade up. He would play round 1 and immediately make our forward line more dynamic and more dangerous.


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I don't, I hope we find two quality players with our two first round picks.
 
DangerousD said:
A lot has been said about Collards off field issues, but what are the issues specifically?
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No first hand experience with the bloke but supposedly:

Homesickness
Work rate
Training standards
Professionalism
Toxicity towards teammates
Selfishness
Family issues of some kind which effected him during the champs according to reports. May have just been a sick relative or something of that nature idk
 

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DangerousD said:
I’d say that Fish has realised he’s not in our best 25 and is looking at a team that will give him first team football.

I think 39 for a player as far down the pecking order as Fish is, is a good deal.

I wouldn’t discount the idea that we will be happy to get some $$$ off the books.
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Whatever we get for Fish we will probably use to trade in Hollands. They're both fringe players. Fish a lot more proven quality and years on his contract but Hollands potentiallymore upside.
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
No first hand experience with the bloke but supposedly:

Homesickness
Work rate
Training standards
Professionalism
Toxicity towards teammates
Selfishness
Family issues of some kind which effected him during the champs according to reports. May have just been a sick relative or something of that nature idk
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When we talk about these things, some are serious and some not so much. The family issues to me is a lot more important and a bigger deal than say, selfishness, homesickness if it means serious cases are a bigger issue toxicity towards team mates.

Some of those are a lot easier to work through than others is my point.

At what stage do you ignore what you’ve heard and take a punt?
 
DangerousD said:
At what stage do you ignore what you’ve heard and take a punt?
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About a round later than you would with no issues?

A late first rounder becomes a viable risk for a late 2nd round pick.

A late ND pick becomes a viable rookie punt.

A rookie candidate becomes a pass....
 
DangerousD said:
When we talk about these things, some are serious and some not so much. The family issues to me is a lot more important and a bigger deal than say, selfishness, homesickness if it means serious cases are a bigger issue toxicity towards team mates.

Some of those are a lot easier to work through than others is my point.

At what stage do you ignore what you’ve heard and take a punt?
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I'd be taking a punt. Premiership teams often have a few of these high risk high reward players. Don't believe the club has been set up well enough off field to handle them before now but with our pressing need of a talented small forward I think he'd be worth the gamble.
 
Kreuuuzeurns said:
I mostly agree with what you’re saying, but the draft is a crapshoot every year. If we feel our future first can be used on the right player this year, and we have reason to believe that player will be a fair trade off on the value we lose next season, then pull the trigger.

We haven’t taken a heap of young talent over the last few years. We’ve taken enough, but with two locked in next season I don’t see an issue in bringing some assets forward, for the right type.
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Fair take.
The notion that we have to move it because of the Camporeale brothers is problematic IMO.
Anything can happen over the next 12 months & you routinely see players values skyrocket or drop away.
If any move is made, it likely comes on draft night.
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
No first hand experience with the bloke but supposedly:

Homesickness - Yes
Work rate - No
Training standards - No
Professionalism - No
Toxicity towards teammates - No
Selfishness - No
Family issues of some kind which effected him during the champs according to reports. May have just been a sick relative or something of that nature idk - See first point
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Just added what I was told. Unlikely to get drafted outside of WA and will be a late pick-up if drafted
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
I'd be taking a punt. Premiership teams often have a few of these high risk high reward players. Don't believe the club has been set up well enough off field to handle them before now but with our pressing need of a talented small forward I think he'd be worth the gamble.
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Looks like he can seriously play.
We have an army of development/assistant coaches and football department support staff.
What’s the point of them if we’re frightened to draft anyone outside of the Walsh mould.
Can the meat and potatoes Fogarty type variety help take us to the next level ?
The bulk of the team is in place, sometimes you’ve got to have the courage to make your own luck and finish the job …
 
Arr0w said:
Just added what I was told. Unlikely to get drafted outside of WA and will be a late pick-up if drafted
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What I've been told re his training and professionalism standards, toxicity etc is from a close relative who's a recruiter in WA for a VIC club. Life member at the club he works for and all that, so I generally take his info at face value on anything draft related.

Either way I still think Collard is worth a punt, he's got immense upside if he buys into a professional AFL lifestyle.
 

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Someone sell me on Tholstrup.

Seems to be an OK high forward option, but not especially quick, nor an especially good kick. Wins a fair bit of his ball up the ground and bombs it long to contests.

Tackles with intent, which is good. Hands seem OK. Has a good little shimmy but doesn't seem to have great acceleration.

I'm just seeing a Beau McCreery type, which is fine, but not what I'd like to be getting with a first rounder.
 
Blue__Balls said:
Someone sell me on Tholstrup.

Seems to be an OK high forward option, but not especially quick, nor an especially good kick. Wins a fair bit of his ball up the ground and bombs it long to contests.

Tackles with intent, which is good. Hands seem OK. Has a good little shimmy but doesn't seem to have great acceleration.

I'm just seeing a Beau McCreery type, which is fine, but not what I'd like to be getting with a first rounder.
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Seen comparisons to Zac Bailey, I see Neal Bullen
 
bradfisher14 said:
How do we feel about Koltyn Tholstrup?
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Like, but don’t love. Keep trying to talk myself in to him, without success. Plenty to like, elements verging on x-factor, Cam Zurhaar comparisons abound. Tholstrup is highly regarded, played WAFL not Colts for the season. Have been watching for a while and do like him.

Just a gut feel he is not for us, sometimes not definitive reasoning. Perhaps it is the haircut?
 
Assuming our pick will stay as is, and given the mantra of taking best available pick, but also assuming our pick gives us options of either a midfielder (inside or outside) of a HFF or a KPD, which would be best option? My opinion, but if player wasn't ready to go in 2024 (eg, Ollie Hollands type), then wouldn't a KPD be best (to develop behind Weitering and McGovern)?
 

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Interesting Draft analysis from the Hun...

CARLTON​

Draft picks before Trade Period: 16, 65, 73
Carlton’s draft hand could look very different come the end of the trade period. The Blues gave up 2023 selections for Lachie Cowan and Blake Acres last year, but trade moves for Paddy Dow and Zac Fisher, who has been linked to North Melbourne, may see the club re-enter the middle section of the draft. Carlton is set to take up to four picks and is open to splitting its first round pick, which has been pushed out to 16 after the club’s stunning end to the season. The Blues’ list is well settled but one area for improvement is their outside polish, with the club ranking 11th in the home-and-away season for defensive 50 to inside 50 percentage and 12th for kick rating. Rebounding defenders Riley Hardeman and Archie Roberts are around the mark at their first pick and would help address this. Outside runners Darcy Wilson and Caleb Windsor are also classy ball-users who can be used as attacking wingmen or at half forward. Alternatively, 188cm swingman James Leake could compliment Carlton’s bookends into the future with his spring and overhead marking, while lean key defender Olli Murphy is a prospect who can develop underneath Jacob Weitering. The Blues will also have to keep an eye on their draft points for next year with Scott Camporeale’s twins, Lucas and Ben, both tied to them as father-son prospects. Ben took out the best on ground medal in the U17 Futures match on grand final day with an inspired performance.
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WalshistheGOAT said:
No first hand experience with the bloke but supposedly:

Homesickness
Work rate
Training standards
Professionalism
Toxicity towards teammates
Selfishness
Family issues of some kind which effected him during the champs according to reports. May have just been a sick relative or something of that nature idk
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But apart from that ... he's good?
 

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