Injury 2023 injury thread

[FredLeDeux]

I get it, but football clubs are commercial enterprises, members and supporters are large parts of their revenue stream. They are accountable. It’s just a matter of having the voice heard. Members Q&A or submissions would be the first stop. It’s not asking for much. I get sensitivity around your higher profile players and not playing your hand (Danger, Guthrie) But Conway, Neale and now Clark are the future, and to have almost zero communication around their injuries just isn’t acceptable.

So are gamblers.
This lack of information is not accepted in other gambling-based businesses.

 

[Mr Meow]

So are gamblers.
This lack of information is not accepted in other gambling-based businesses.

You have to be joking. I follow clubs in the NBA and English Premier League (and the competition pretty closely outside of my teams), and the information is far less than even what GFC provides. Especially anything that would be based around a timeline. Then you'll be told a player is ready and they're mysteriously left out of the squad, or vice versa. There is FAR more money going through those competitions too.

 

[Mr Meow]

They mentioned it in the Thursday night team announcement - obviously something from earlier in the week since they had received his scans back:

"Clark has suffered a navicular stress reaction. He was sent for scans after he presented to the medical team with foot soreness. The Club will take a conservative approach with Jhye and he will be sidelined for the short to medium term."

Yeah the updates we do get are brushed over or ridiculed. People expected Stengle and J.Henry in the side this week based on earlier updates and we have a pretty good idea about others before the bye. The more complicated, long term situations like C.Guthrie, Stanley and Neale we are a bit out of the loop with as of now. The tantrums are incredible.

 

[FredLeDeux]

You have to be joking. I follow clubs in the NBA and English Premier League (and the competition pretty closely outside of my teams), and the information is far less than even what GFC provides. Especially anything that would be based around a timeline. Then you'll be told a player is ready and they're mysteriously left out of the squad, or vice versa. There is FAR more money going through those competitions too.

They're not gambling-based businesses, such as horse-racing, where accurate and timely information is compulsory.

 

[cats_09]

Devil's advocate here, but my reading of how we've been reporting injuries this year is that we've been focusing on those the Club knows more about & has more answers to in regards to things like return to full training & playing

Thinking of someone like Jack Henry

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Jack Henry

Age

27

Ht

192cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

142.6

2star

D

8.6

2star

K

6.7

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

142.6

3star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

- we had the very early reports of injury, before he then went through the recovery & rehab process without updates as there likely wasn't much to say. Then updates when he was returning to training and more of a known timeline for his return to play

Where we don't get as many updates or regular information is those with longer term injuries, where the return date is likely indefinite and the Club isn't willing to list a return date - including the likes Neale, Conway, Guthrie & Kroeger

For Conway & Neale it may be about taking the pressure off them for a return timeframe, letting them go through recovery before ramping things up

For Guthrie, wouldn't be surprised if there's an element of unknown

While for young Kroeger, it's likely there's more at play than consideration of things like a return to training date, let alone pulling on the Hoops for a second VFL match - wouldn't be surprised if giving Flynn privacy while working through things is a key reason for keeping his name out of the injury reports

 

[Mr Meow]

They're not gambling-based businesses, such as horse-racing, where accurate and timely information is compulsory.

So horse racing and AFL are the two gambling-based businesses - the rest are not? Not sure I'm following and no I'm not trying to be obtuse.

 

[cat_shack]

You have to be joking. I follow clubs in the NBA and English Premier League (and the competition pretty closely outside of my teams), and the information is far less than even what GFC provides. Especially anything that would be based around a timeline. Then you'll be told a player is ready and they're mysteriously left out of the squad, or vice versa. There is FAR more money going through those competitions too.

Where the nfl, which is by far the most lucrative sport, has very strict guidelines on injuries and communication

 

[Mr Meow]

Where the nfl, which is by far the most lucrative sport, has very strict guidelines on injuries and communication

Yeah I'd say AFL as an organisation is closer to the two comps I mentioned than the NFL, yet provides more information than them (yes, including GFC). But you actually want NFL-level information. Interesting.

Also just above you there is bundles of commonsense, articulated in an easily digestible fashion by cats09.

 

[Boxhead_31]

No Harry Taylor
No Geelong

 

[CharacterFirst]

The most bizarre thing is the complete omission of C Guthrie in this week’s injury list. I’m pretty sure it’s not common for B&F-winning-in-a-premiership-year players to just vanish.

Is he in training? Has he had surgery? What is going on?!

Don't want to draw attention to him while he is receiving PED injury treatment.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

I posted this in the review thread but posting it here as well.

Scotty said that Danger, Rohan and SDK will be back for GWS.
Guthrie is close to return.
Duncan, Stanley a bit farther away.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I posted this in the review thread but posting it here as well.

Scotty said that Danger, Rohan and SDK will be back for GWS.
Guthrie is close to return.
Duncan, Stanley a bit farther away.

Duncan i think will be a while away given his last 12 months.

And i dont think we see stanley til after the bye which is a problem-we need him.

 

[catempire]

Devil's advocate here, but my reading of how we've been reporting injuries this year is that we've been focusing on those the Club knows more about & has more answers to in regards to things like return to full training & playing

Thinking of someone like Jack Henry - we had the very early reports of injury, before he then went through the recovery & rehab process without updates as there likely wasn't much to say. Then updates when he was returning to training and more of a known timeline for his return to play

Where we don't get as many updates or regular information is those with longer term injuries, where the return date is likely indefinite and the Club isn't willing to list a return date - including the likes Neale, Conway, Guthrie & Kroeger

For Conway & Neale it may be about taking the pressure off them for a return timeframe, letting them go through recovery before ramping things up

For Guthrie, wouldn't be surprised if there's an element of unknown

While for young Kroeger, it's likely there's more at play than consideration of things like a return to training date, let alone pulling on the Hoops for a second VFL match - wouldn't be surprised if giving Flynn privacy while working through things is a key reason for keeping his name out of the injury reports

I have no idea how this fits any definition of devils advocate.

 

[Romeoh1]

Bloody hell - I hate seeing the word 'navicular' anywhere in a conversation about injuries at Geelong. So much trauma there.

Yep-never quite get over the Matthew Egan situation.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

I posted this in the review thread but posting it here as well.

Scotty said that Danger, Rohan and SDK will be back for GWS.
Guthrie is close to return.
Duncan, Stanley a bit farther away.

We’ll account for gws and dogs based on these ins alone

 

[cats_09]

I have no idea how this fits any definition of devils advocate.

Maybe not the right term - I was sneakily writing up while at work, so maybe didn't review it as I normally would

I agree that it would be good if the club provided more regular updates & they seemed to start this season with a good injury update further before going away from it, but I can also understand why there's information that they're not as forthcoming with

 

[catempire]

Maybe not the right term - I was sneakily writing up while at work, so maybe didn't review it as I normally would

I agree that it would be good if the club provided more regular updates & they seemed to start this season with a good injury update further before going away from it, but I can also understand why there's information that they're not as forthcoming with

How do you square it with the approach 17 other clubs take?

 

[Baudolino]

I posted this in the review thread but posting it here as well.

Scotty said that Danger, Rohan and SDK will be back for GWS.
Guthrie is close to return.
Duncan, Stanley a bit farther away.

Geez I hope Danger is ready to pick up where he left off. We need him at his best for the Dogs game in particular.

It'll be interesting to see whether they use SDK in tandem with Blitz again or whether they just use him as a defender. I know people want Ceglar out of the side but our backline is a mess at the moment and now that we have a gun key defender available again, should we not be using SDK to address that issue?

SDK's return from injury and Henry's surprisingly early recovery also raises the selection issue we thought we wouldn't have to deal with until much later in the year: does Sav stay in the team when all of SDK, J. Henry and Kolo are available (assuming the latter three all play in defence rather than using J. Henry forward or SDK in the ruck)? If so, who misses out on selection to keep him in the side?

 

[cats_09]

How do you square it with the approach 17 other clubs take?

I don't pay attention to what the other 17 clubs do in regards to injury reports - can't remember the last time I would have read the injury updates from an opposition team

 

[catempire]

I don't pay attention to what the other 17 clubs do in regards to injury reports - can't remember the last time I would have read the injury updates from an opposition team

Cool. I do just to see how it contrasts. It’s very unflattering to our club.

 

[Sttew]

Geez I hope Danger is ready to pick up where he left off. We need him at his best for the Dogs game in particular.

It'll be interesting to see whether they use SDK in tandem with Blitz again or whether they just use him as a defender. I know people want Ceglar out of the side but our backline is a mess at the moment and now that we have a gun key defender available again, should we not be using SDK to address that issue?

SDK's return from injury and Henry's surprisingly early recovery also raises the selection issue we thought we wouldn't have to deal with until much later in the year: does Sav stay in the team when all of SDK, J. Henry and Kolo are available (assuming the latter three all play in defence rather than using J. Henry forward or SDK in the ruck)? If so, who misses out on selection to keep him in the side?

I reckon Ceglar stays in until a fit Stanley is ready.

 

[Seeds]

Duncan i think will be a while away given his last 12 months.

And i dont think we see stanley til after the bye which is a problem-we need him.

ceglar was pretty good yesterday. The week before as well. I think i even might prefer him to stanley.

 

[catsfootyfan89]

ceglar was pretty good yesterday. The week before as well. I think i even might prefer him to stanley.

The reason I'm on team Stanley is that Stanley offers more around the ground when not in the ruck. I know it's not often that he performs like he did on Grand Final day last year, but that game was beast-mode-Stanley, and Ceglar isn't capable of play like that.

When Stanley doesn't affect the hitouts, he often roves his own tap, blocking for team mates, offering a link-up handpass or even clearing the ball himself.

Angry Stanley is good. He's the better option in my opinion but Ceglar has been far more serviceable than most people gave him credit for.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We’ll account for gws and dogs based on these ins alone

We will need to play better but the ins will help a lot as will playing at home next week we wont get done on transition as much the way we set gmhba up.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

ceglar was pretty good yesterday. The week before as well. I think i even might prefer him to stanley.

He was better than i thought he would be both in his taps and post clearance follow up.

But he doesnt give us the same threat to push forward that stanley does (because he doesnt have the speed to get forward and then still get back to fill the d50 hole) which means the oppo ruckman can push forward into their f50 and get into more aggressive positions because they know ceglar cant hurt them the other way.
This is why we still need stanley.

Ceglar will also need a rest in the next couple of weeks which is where it will hurt us if stanley is not back post bye (unless we take a mature ruck in the msd and put him in round 14).