List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

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There's a link in the post above

 

[Big Dub]

Which is ridiculous if McKay ends up in the top 5%

The top 6% is $880k (including the recent 10% 2023 uplift from the CBA).

Apparently Essendon's offer is less than the "up to $850k" offer from Hawthorn.

 

[Crow till I die]

The top 6% is $880k (including the recent 10% 2023 uplift from the CBA).

Apparently Essendon's offer is less than the "up to $850k" offer from Hawthorn.

yeah but age, contract length etc are extra factors they 'consider'

 

[PeterSalt]

yeah but age, contract length etc are extra factors they 'consider'

Only age .. contract just has to be a minimum of 2 years

 

[Golumless]

It's not incompetent to contract 200cm KPP that can also ruck at AFL level at a stretch if required, no doubt not breaking the bank for some pretty reasonable depth.

There is a pretty thick layer of mayo applied to say that we played some form of 3D chess to recontract a depth ruckman to lose him a year later for a third or (more likely) fourth round pick.

 

[MRB37]

There is a pretty thick layer of mayo applied to say that we played some form of 3D chess to recontract a depth ruckman to lose him a year later for a third or (more likely) fourth round pick.

We're only losing him if we have other people to bring in to replace him. Worst case scenario is we're in the exact same situation we are now.

 

[Crows I Am]

The top 6% is $880k (including the recent 10% 2023 uplift from the CBA).

Apparently Essendon's offer is less than the "up to $850k" offer from Hawthorn.

That is only if the AFL decide to include the uplift in their calculations when determining the compo pick for Mckay. I am sure they will find a way to work it so he gets band 1. They don't need to release any data to justify it so nobody can question the outcome with any certainty.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Sanders made a comment earlier that in the NFL they include easy to achieve incentives into the calculation for compensation.

I don't know what the right answer is

Weirdly, the AFL has never let clubs know the calculations used to reach a decision on FA compensation due to 'fear the clubs will manipulate the knowledge' to achieve favourable outcomes.

I think the AFC should ask for the "calculations used to reach a decision on FA compensation due to fear THE AFL will manipulate these to achieve a 'favourable' outcome".

 

[Gtowncrow]

We're only losing him if we have other people to bring in to replace him. Worst case scenario is we're in the exact same situation we are now.

Do the giants have a potential player swap option.
Flynn?

 

[MRB37]

Do the giants have a potential player swap option.
Flynn?

They want to add to their stocks, so don't think they'd be swapping him for one of thiers. Think it's entirely dependent on us nabbing at least 2 of Chol, Burgess and Kreuger.

 

[Crow till I die]

Do the giants have a potential player swap option.
Flynn?

West Coast bound apparently

 

[Big Dub]

That is only if the AFL decide to include the uplift in their calculations when determining the compo pick for Mckay. I am sure they will find a way to work it so he gets band 1. They don't need to release any data to justify it so nobody can question the outcome with any cecertainty.

I don't know that they want to. Even the vic clubs ate p*ssed off at North's current compo picks.

Gil made a point in his response to Scott and Lyon's negative comments about the pick package:
“None of them compromise the first round, they’re outside the first round where everyone is comfortable playing, because 19 or 20 it’s really about points. If you’re going to do it, do it properly, that’s the point."

I think that indicates that the AFL know a pick at the pointy end won't be received at all well by the clubs, and they would need to be able to absolutely defend any band 1 compo - ie above $900k.

 

[Soggy2112]

Disappointing that it's looking like we will be losing 2 experienced, bid bodied players with no replacements coming in other than picks in a poor draft.

After two decades and counting the "improvement from within" strategy is look abit infallible.

Average AFL career is something like 3 years.

Hardly a cause for concern that a couple players haven’t made it.

Jones, Thilthorpe, Rachele, Pedlar, Soligo, Michalanny, Worrell, Murray, Milera, Fogarty all key players who drove our improvement this year, and all players we drafted.

 

[conVINCEd]

Let’s not forget that Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

was also busted buying a few rounds of nose beers before the Free Agency period.

He probably got a decent enough deal with the bonuses but he absolutely stuffed us compo wise.

And cost us a future All Australian in Stengle for nothing.

Prick.

 

[whattagun07]

Let’s not forget that Brad Crouch was also busted buying a few rounds of nose beers before the Free Agency period.

He probably got a decent enough deal with the bonuses but he absolutely stuffed us compo wise.

And cost us a future All Australian in Stengle for nothing.

Prick.

Yep 70% of AFL players would love a sniff and yet he was the one who got caught. Fmd

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Yep, clearly Tyson Stengle

18

Tyson Stengle

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

led Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

astray

 

[Sanders]

Not sure I'd be 100% certain of their accuracy, given the massive lack of intel from AFL house, but these are the bands listed by Fox Sports in 2020 (AFL free agency compensation: The trade period’s most confusing and controversial rule):

• Top five per cent = first-round pick
• Top 15 per cent = end-of-first-round pick
• Top 30 per cent = second-round pick
• Top 50 per cent = end-of-second-round pick
• Top 70 per cent = third-round pick
• Below that = no pick

Believe at your own peril.

Top 5% of an unknown number is pretty opaque

 

[ABAB]

Disappointing that it's looking like we will be losing 2 experienced, bid bodied players with no replacements coming in other than picks in a poor draft.

After two decades and counting the "improvement from within" strategy is look abit infallible.

Yeah, it's not like we've brought in any decent players in the last few years or aren't you counting those years as "two decades and counting".......lol.

 

[UcantCme]

Disappointing that it's looking like we will be losing 2 experienced, bid bodied players with no replacements coming in other than picks in a poor draft.

After two decades and counting the "improvement from within" strategy is look abit infallible.

you do realise that trade period hasn’t even started yet, and just because targets and potential trades are not reported by the media at this early stage, it doesn’t mean there is other movements being planned across the comp that just haven’t hit the public forum yet




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[50BC]

Not sure I'd be 100% certain of their accuracy, given the massive lack of intel from AFL house, but these are the bands listed by Fox Sports in 2020 (AFL free agency compensation: The trade period’s most confusing and controversial rule):

• Top five per cent = first-round pick
• Top 15 per cent = end-of-first-round pick
• Top 30 per cent = second-round pick
• Top 50 per cent = end-of-second-round pick
• Top 70 per cent = third-round pick
• Below that = no pick

Believe at your own peril.

Not that simple, there's a weighting for age

 

[FR0GGY]

yeah but age, contract length etc are extra factors they 'consider'

I heard a new one this year, that type/availability of player comes into it (sounds made up for McKay)
So he’s the only key defender so that helps the equation.

 

[Crow till I die]

I heard a new one this year, that type/availability of player comes into it (sounds made up for McKay)
So he’s the only key defender so that helps the equation.

Absolutely nothing surprises me when it comes to the AFL and engineering outcomes they want

 

[spenze]

I heard a new one this year, that type/availability of player comes into it (sounds made up for McKay)
So he’s the only key defender so that helps the equation.

I think there is one about being a twin too

 

[spenze]

Yep, clearly Tyson Stengle led Brad Crouch astray

Crouch would have gotten away with it had it not been for that meddling Stengle kid

 

[Big Dub]

Top 5% of an unknown number is pretty opaque

To be fair, that's the least opaque part of the equation. It's everything else that gets murky.

 

[Mostyn]

Top 5% of an unknown number is pretty opaque

It's not opaque. All salaries are announced each season - they're just anonymized. You know how many people are at each band.