List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[Shuestar13]

Even if they did, I'd give them a D. They are needs based players but they sold way too much draft capital they needed to get C grade players in.

Cornes would give them an A

Oh absolutely

Funnily enough, Cornes has called Rat and Zerk Thatcher overrated. I’m sure that will change once they are actually traded to Port and the PR Machine is called into action.

Unfortunately, our clubs have to work doubly hard to attract players.
In your case, you don’t have the anonymity that Brisbane or Sydney will bring. And the (wrong!) perception of Adelaide as a place. Going to play for the biggest sporting organisation in a football state invites pressure and expectation.

A big step forward next year - making finals (with a much better draw, prime time home games at your great ground, a more fairer away schedule) will help. Showing that the AFC is a great place to be at and going places

 

[Sanders]

20 will get us a top shelf ruck.

Grundy has already been traded. Otherwise… No

 

[Sanders]

Like Burgess? I don’t just want to add players for the sake of it, they need to fill a need. We usually pick up one or two of these types most off seasons, some has been great success stories (Hinge and Keays), some haven’t worked out (Crocker). I have confidence that Burgess can fill a role with us.

The price for Chol ended up being far too high for a fringe player.

Do we not have needs?

6 years isn’t it?

 

[Sanders]

You don't think adding three first round picks strengthens our list?

Cook is a first rounder

Not all firsts are created equal

 

[Sanders]

Do you think they just thought 2 weeks ago ‘oh, do you reckon we should offer Petty $800k a year?’

Yes. 100%

 

[Shuestar13]

Don’t get me wrong, in theory we should be a better side next year. Growth of the players currently on our list should continue to a point where we make the 8. The players we’re losing barely played a season between them, we’ve already covered Doedee’s loss with Worrell, McAdam as a medium forward is a loss that’d I’d like to find a replacement for over the next couple of years (Hayward?) but I don’t think in reality it’ll make a huge difference

The idea that we haven’t had a backup plan beyond targeting seemingly un-gettable players just irks me a little, as has been said we haven’t really upgraded our current-day talent (overall) going into a contention window. Just smells a little of complacency

Yeah I get it. If the expectation (internally) was to lure a player through trade then for sure, it is a fail. I would imagine there has been some back up “plans” as such, but haven’t come to fruition. It’s a year long process now, constant communication between agents etc. knowing who may be gettable. Groundwork done now for next year. That’s where I rate Reid. I don’t think it is complacency, there does seem to be an understanding about where the deficiencies are (hence the targeting of Day, Oliver).

I see your “competitors” for the 5-8 spots and there hasn’t been a huge improvement overall. Sydney the big winners even if Port do get all their players in. I think you are still well positioned for next season

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Which player movement are we exactly envying? Especially for their reported contract? This board has short memory, as I seem to remember myself and many others calling for Doedee to be dropped for Worrell. Suddenly he’s a first 22 player that we’re weaker without.

I know it’s a tired term but considering how young our list still is you can back “organic growth” to be a genuine factor in our improvement. It’s how a rebuild works. I get that we have the potential to enter a premature window with Tex, Laird and a peak Dawson, but we’ve thrown everything we can at Oliver, Petty, Redman etc (who mind you are bigger gets than any club has gotten this trade period). The strategy is clearly there but it’s much easier said than done to add players that will break us into our premiership window this trade period, as reflected by other teams acquisitions.

 

[Sanders]

I know it’s a tired term but considering how young our list still is you can back “organic growth” to be a genuine factor in our improvement.

It’s a tired term because it doesn’t work. It didn’t work before either

You can’t get everything you need by sitting quietly and waiting for your internal shoots to sprout

 

[George CantStandYa]

What did I think of Bobby Hill?

I thought he was promising and he's been through some real emotional and physical battles. I'm glad to see him have success.

I don't think anyone else has done anything drastic to move the needle. Adams and Grundy are near the end; Gresham isn't a massive improvement on who he's replacing, and McKay is absolutely mediocre. Port have shuffled folks around - and Schultz is the best player traded and he's an improvement on Ginnivan.

I think those moves will have almost no impact on whether these sides go forward or backwards. Every year people go half crazed during trade period, and it's really rare that the moves mean anything really to the success and failure of any team.

So last year you wouldn’t have talked him down like you’ve just done with the other players listed?

And what’s the chances had we recruited any of the players you mentioned your tune would be different

 

[Eddie Murphy]

It’s a tired term because it doesn’t work. It didn’t work before either

You can’t get everything you need by sitting quietly and waiting for your internal shoots to sprout

What was the plan with the rebuild then? That our young players would immediately turn into guns without any development track?

 

[Mostyn]

Grundy has already been traded. Otherwise… No

It's not 2018 anymore.

Anyway, this is a good year to grab a young ruck - there's four or five excellent prospects.

 

[George CantStandYa]

What was the plan with the rebuild then? That our young players would immediately turn into guns without any development track?

The plan for the rebuild as stated by the club is at this stage of the rebuild we would be bringing in quality experienced players rather than the draft, that was the plan for the early part of the rebuild. I’ll repeat, it was the clubs strategy.

What I don’t get is with all the cap space and trade capital, that some are just accepting of a trade period where we are going backwards on quality experience. Oh well, we tried.

 

[Mostyn]

It’s a tired term because it doesn’t work. It didn’t work before either

You can’t get everything you need by sitting quietly and waiting for your internal shoots to sprout

The main thing that improves sides is time spent together by a talented group. It's not a magic bullet.

 

[Sanders]

What was the plan with the rebuild then? That our young players would immediately turn into guns without any development track?

Sorry, what?

It’s standard operating procedure; the blueprint is 3 years to the draft and the fill gaps with experienced recruits

We’ve said ourselves, many times, that’s our plan

 

[Eddie Murphy]

The plan for the rebuild as stated by the club is at this stage of the rebuild we would be bringing in quality experienced players rather than the draft, that was the plan for the early part of the rebuild. I’ll repeat, it was the clubs strategy.

What I don’t get is with all the cap space and trade capital, that some are just accepting of a trade period where we are going backwards on quality experience. Oh well, we tried.

Who was genuinely there to get that was attainable for even a slightly responsible price. That’s 1/3 trade periods where we have misfired with that strategy, but considering how no other teams have made big name acquisitions I don’t think it’s the end of the world.

I’ll be more frustrated if we sit with our current hand and just draft best available, as I’ve been vocal about on this board, but in terms of trading in a player I don’t know what else Reid could have done. Still plenty of time to be aggressive in using our hand to trade up this year or next.

 

[Sanders]

It's not 2018 anymore.

Anyway, this is a good year to grab a young ruck - there's four or five excellent prospects.

It’s the season for name bingo.

 

[Mostyn]

The plan for the rebuild as stated by the club is at this stage of the rebuild we would be bringing in quality experienced players rather than the draft, that was the plan for the early part of the rebuild. I’ll repeat, it was the clubs strategy.

What I don’t get is with all the cap space and trade capital, that some are just accepting of a trade period where we are going backwards on quality experience. Oh well, we tried.

Yes, it's disappointing that we didn't get our targets. Day especially.

 

[Mostyn]

So last year you wouldn’t have talked him down like you’ve just done with the other players listed?

And what’s the chances had we recruited any of the players you mentioned your tune would be different

Last year I would have said that Bobby Hill had talent but probably wasn't going to mean much either way to Essendon or Collingwood.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Sorry, what?

It’s standard operating procedure; the blueprint is 3 years to the draft and the fill gaps with experienced recruits

We’ve said ourselves, many times, that’s our plan

Yes but we’re talking about 1 out of our last 3 off-seasons where we, like every other club, haven’t brought in a big name. IMO the idea our squad next year will be worse off when almost half our best 22 are sub 50 games with plenty of natural development left is reaching.

If we fail again next year then I agree scrutiny is deserved. But one underwhelming trade period, considering it has been underwhelming across the league, isn’t panic stations.

 

[jackster83]

Frustrating thing is we failed to identify and out of contract player who might want to join us with a large offer end of last year.
That's when the leg work needs to happen.

Looking at the 2024 list, the following are who I'd like us to be chasing:

Hugh McCluggage (RFA)
Keidean Coleman
Andrew McGrath (RFA)
Max Holmes
Ben Ainsworth (RFA)
Harry Perryman (RFA)
Isaac Cumming (RFA)
Josh Fahey
Sean Darcy (RFA)
Tom Sparrow
Tarryn Thomas
Mattaes Phillipou
James Rowbottom
Will Hayward (RFA)
Liam Duggan (RFA)

Need to be chasing them now though, instead of just before/after they sign a contract.

 

[rabidcrow]

Frustrating thing is we failed to identify and out of contract player who might want to join us with a large offer end of last year.
That's when the leg work needs to happen.

Not sure that is accurate. We clearly did some work on Day and Redman - they seemed to be the targets but their clubs offered big long term contracts and sold a vision to get them to stay. It is usually easy to keep a player than extract a player.

We clearly have decided to be targeted though. We still have kids to develop as role players so targeting the top end


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[George CantStandYa]

Last year I would have said that Bobby Hill had talent but probably wasn't going to mean much either way to Essendon or Collingwood.

So this year when you’re saying these other club recruits aren’t going to mean much, any part of you think maybe you should hold fire and not use this analysis to defend our lack of recruiting?

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yes, it's disappointing that we didn't get our targets. Day especially.

So maybe you should just let us express our disappointment at our lack of recruitment?

 

[Danger Zone]

Looking at the 2024 list, the following are who I'd like us to be chasing:

Hugh McCluggage (RFA)
Keidean Coleman
Andrew McGrath (RFA)
Max Holmes
Ben Ainsworth (RFA)
Harry Perryman (RFA)
Isaac Cumming (RFA)
Josh Fahey
Sean Darcy (RFA)
Tom Sparrow
Tarryn Thomas
Mattaes Phillipou
James Rowbottom
Will Hayward (RFA)
Liam Duggan (RFA)

Need to be chasing them now though, instead of just before/after they sign a contract.

The three in bold please!

 

[Bearded Clam]

The three in bold please!

I’d pay that Coleman lad a million a year.

can Isaac cumming move into the centre?.. is he a potential CB midfielder thats stuck elsewhere due to GWS’s plethora of elite mids?…The kid loves Tex.. get him over for sure.