List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Dockeroo]

I did a rough projection there and I predict our pick 21 will actually be pick 29 by draft night.

 

[Joao]

I did a rough projection there and I predict our pick 21 will actually be pick 29 by draft night.

It will depend a lot on where the picks used for points are which we won't know in full until draft night.

 

[DragoDelph]

Will be delisted

So if we are interested, can get him as a train on, and add him in SSP if needed. (Kuek)

No need to waste a pre-draft selection on a maybe.

 

[DragoDelph]

Also, don’t see north going after Hamling. Would affect their compensation pick for McKay. That can be put to bed now, surely?

Jeka delisted by hawks, likely to make room for Chol. 198cm, but apparently with as much, if not less, heart as Dixon.

 

[Purple Suit]

Also, don’t see north going after Hamling. Would affect their compensation pick for McKay. That can be put to bed now, surely?

Jeka delisted by hawks, likely to make room for Chol. 198cm, but apparently with as much, if not less, heart as Dixon.

They can trade for him. I would suspect if there is a bidding war, they offer their end of first round pick for 2024 they got given for free. The AFL will then cancel it when they improve in 2024.

 

[rgauci]

They can trade for him. I would suspect if there is a bidding war, they offer their end of first round pick for 2024 they got given for free. The AFL will then cancel it when they improve in 2024.

I can see North trading both future end of first round 2024 picks.

 

[Joao]

I can see North trading both future end of first round 2024 picks.

100% they will since the AFL as the discretion to remove them next year if they improve.

 

[Taylor]

The AFL will only cancel the picks if North still hold them. The threat of them being reviewed is the PR campaign to justify North trading them this year, since the "must be traded for players" frustrated their fans so much last year.

Dumping them this season in trades that look uneven will carry the rider that the pick being removed next year made it worthless anyway.

Think Gold Coast trading future pick #11 for current pick #27 and taking Jeremy Sharp with it.

 

[Dockeroo]

It will depend a lot on where the picks used for points are which we won't know in full until draft night.

I’m not sure there has ever been a pick before pick 28 used for points to match a bid higher than it, in the entire history of bid matching. Certainly a very rare occurrence.
At the end of the day, if I’m a club matching a bid at 10, and I hold pick 27, 17 other clubs will happily trade me two picks in the late 30s and pick 55 in exchange for it, so I can increase my total points number. Everyone wins.

We will see what happens on draft night but I will be very surprised if anyone uses a pick inside 30 to match a bid.
Hence I’m pretty confident about my pick 21 sliding to 29 projection.

 

[Joao]

I’m not sure there has ever been a pick before pick 28 used for points to match a bid higher than it, in the entire history of bid matching. Certainly a very rare occurrence.
At the end of the day, if I’m a club matching a bid at 10, and I hold pick 27, 17 other clubs will happily trade me two picks in the late 30s and pick 55 in exchange for it, so I can increase my total points number. Everyone wins.

We will see what happens on draft night but I will be very surprised if anyone uses a pick inside 30 to match a bid.
Hence I’m pretty confident about my pick 21 sliding to 29 projection.

Normally you'd be right but I don't think GC will have enough points to match a top 4 bid and two other top 15 bids with just picks in the 30s and list spot caps on picks heading into a draft. Reckon they have to use at least a couple inside 30.

 

[Dockeroo]

Normally you'd be right but I don't think GC will have enough points to match a top 4 bid and two other top 15 bids with just picks in the 30s and list spot caps on picks heading into a draft. Reckon they have to use at least a couple inside 30.

Yeah you might be correct I think the Walter bid at pick 2 or 3 is the one most likely to use higher picks to match it.
Read and Rogers could be around 10 or 12 and they will shuffle around a few things to match those bids easily enough.
I expect hawks and dogs to really have their homework done and match their players with low value late picks.

 

[freo_leo29]

The real lesson is don't let good players go as you basically always end up with unders

 

[Joao]

Can I just reiterate how happy I am that Coxy signed on? I know we might still have some (unlikely) Darcy shenanigans but having our KPP at both ends set makes a big difference.

 

[Taylor]

Might be some contract extension announcements soon on the likes of Knobel, Emmett, Walker

 

[Joao]

Might be some contract extension announcements soon on the likes of Knobel, Emmett, Walker

Williams?

 

[Taylor]

Williams?

I've mentally allocated both Williams and Reidy in the group that will have no announcement of an extension at all, but still be on our list next year - I'm just waiting for list lodgement to extend them on my spreadsheet.

 

[Superkoops]

I’ll move it when I get to work unless Van_Dyke or Tonga Bob get here first

Sorry

 

[wakojako]

New draft rankings per Central Rookie Me:

AFL Draft Power Rankings: September 2023

It's relatively steady at the top, but bolters are making their moves among our top 40 in the September Power Rankings instalment.

central.rookieme.com

Notable players:
18. Harry DeMattia
23. Koltyn Tholstrup
24. Charlie Edwards
26. Mitchell Edwards
27. Lance Collard
29. Jack Delean
30. Ashton Moir

 

[freo_leo29]

Might be some contract extension announcements soon on the likes of Knobel, Emmett, Walker

They all have a year left though, don't see the needed to lock any of them in except walker

Even walker can wait to see how his pace is affected post injury

 

[Taylor]

They all have a year left though, don't see the needed to lock any of them in except walker

Even walker can wait to see how his pace is affected post injury

Which is an entirely fair position to take, but I put it to you that if any of those three are to be retained beyond end of 2024 then they won't be cheaper to sign for 2025 than this off season. Knobel particularly should be locked in for another two years purely because of his body shape development required and if Walker is our best small lock down defender then he is worth extending by a year to make sure we have the rights to his recovered output.

I can see the argument that locking him in early might be a risk but his commitment to his rehab will already be known by now.

 

[Swiggy]

whats peoples thought on jack Billings

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Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

? I no he’s 28 & injury prone but thats the kind of player freo lacks. Some outside skill could be cheap in the Henry deal?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

whats peoples thought on jack Billings? I no he’s 28 & injury prone but thats the kind of player freo lacks. Some outside skill could be cheap in the Henry deal?

I know a lot will write it off but I wouldnt mind him. Some potential to be a nice low risk pick-up. As others have said though, money is the problem. He's probably overpaid by like at least 300k at the moment and we wouldnt be in a position to take on salary dumps

 

[Joao]

Yeah I'd take Billings because Noddy has fallen off a cliff and it gives Stanley and/or Williams time to come on but it seems kind of hilarious to let Acres go and get Billings the year after for more.

He's definitely a better player than any wing option we have to replace Henry atm.

 

[Taylor]

I know a lot will write it off but I wouldnt mind him. Some potential to be a nice low risk pick-up. As others have said though, money is the problem. He's probably overpaid by like at least 300k at the moment and we wouldnt be in a position to take on salary dumps

Does it open the door for Fremantle to access that pick #12/13 to take Billings as a salary dump from St Kilda in the Henry exchange?

Pick #12 and Billings for Henry?

And then we extend Billings beyond his already contracted 2025 to even it out? He might be that medium forward, mid to fwd connection player we have lacked.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Does it open the door for Fremantle to access that pick #12/13 to take Billings as a salary dump from St Kilda in the Henry exchange?

Pick #12 and Billings for Henry?

And then we extend Billings beyond his already contracted 2025 to even it out? He might be that medium forward, mid to fwd connection player we have lacked.

I'd prefer no salary dump and they'd pay whatever required to bring his payments down to his actual value. Any dead contract we take on is a Schultz level player we lose down the track