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List Mgmt. 2023 List Management
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The shortcomings are in the players you continue to promote, that are either VFL standard, or when they do play AFL, fall short on a regular basis
LOB, Kemp, Dow, before that Fogarty. The rest have been constantly injured, so they aren't in the discussion
It's like Williamson supposedly being a better option than Newman
Cotts, compared to players you want in the side, does the basics, team ethos acts better, than guys that have more talent, but are currently incapable of delivering
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Makes us less capable in three positions?
Jack plays forward to a handy level and below average everywhere else. A major problem is we can’t cover the ground well enough as a side and Jack is part of that problem. Cottrell helps massively in that area and as long as JSOS isn’t hitting the scoreboard or being a meaningful link between forward and defence then I think we will favour runners over him.
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Was HBF in the Stingrays premiership side.
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Cheers mate, my views change day to day, it's all stream of consciousness stuff
You pose some valid questions. In regards to the structure of the side:
Newman, Young, Doc
McGovern, Weiters, Saad
Acres, Cripps, Hollands
TDK, Cerra, Walsh
Fisher, Curnow, Motlop
Durdin, Mackay, JSOS
I/C: Boyd, Williams, Hewett, Kennedy
Sub: Cottrell
I've got Boyd as the 7th defender, Hewett as the defensive mid/tagging option, Kennedy as the chop out for Cripps and potentially a marking forward rotation, and Williams as a genuine utility who could be employed off half back, in the middle or up forward as needed. Cottrell I see as a defensive forward or defensive wing, and that's an option I'm happy to leave on the bench until/if it's required.
Hollands vs Cottrell is probably something of a coin flip at the moment (if both fit). Cottrell better in the air and a sneaky avenue to goal, but Hollands has a higher ceiling and should have his development prioritised. He also works his arse off and makes repeat defensive efforts across four quarters, which is something that should be valued highly.
If I was going to squeeze Cottrell into that starting 22, it would either be at the expense of Fisher or JSOS (but if the latter, we run into the conundrum of who our second ruck is).
Which is what Honey, Cunners and Cotters have, shame only one of those three will probably get a look in.
I really wanted Honey to be something but every time I see him he just can't seem to impact a game in any way. Was wondering if he had a tank but I'm assuming he wouldn't be under any consideration for a go in the middle.
Cunners has once again disappeared off the face of the earth, played one vfl game for a few disposals but wasn't named for tonight's game and not on the official injured list either
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I've probably got little bit of a soft spot for him after watching him at U18 level.Cheers mate, my views change day to day, it's all stream of consciousness stuff
You pose some valid questions. In regards to the structure of the side:
Newman, Young, Doc
McGovern, Weiters, Saad
Acres, Cripps, Hollands
TDK, Cerra, Walsh
Fisher, Curnow, Motlop
Durdin, Mackay, JSOS
I/C: Boyd, Williams, Hewett, Kennedy
Sub: Cottrell
I've got Boyd as the 7th defender, Hewett as the defensive mid/tagging option, Kennedy as the chop out for Cripps and potentially a marking forward rotation, and Williams as a genuine utility who could be employed off half back, in the middle or up forward as needed. Cottrell I see as a defensive forward or defensive wing, and that's an option I'm happy to leave on the bench until/if it's required.
Hollands vs Cottrell is probably something of a coin flip at the moment (if both fit). Cottrell better in the air and a sneaky avenue to goal, but Hollands has a higher ceiling and should have his development prioritised. He also works his arse off and makes repeat defensive efforts across four quarters, which is something that should be valued highly.
If I was going to squeeze Cottrell into that starting 22, it would either be at the expense of Fisher or JSOS (but if the latter, we run into the conundrum of who our second ruck is).
I feel he is being played out of position with both these scenarios, it's a pity he is injured could have slotted straight into Williams position. Not as prolific as Zach but he can certainly create some electricity off the half back line from what I saw of him at the Stingrays.
Hewitt needs to play off half back with Doc out.
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Who's on the table? Full list of 2023 free agents revealed
The AFL has released the full free agents list for 2023www.afl.com.au
RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Tom Doedee (Adelaide)
Darcy Parish (Essendon)
Mason Redman (Essendon)
Harry Himmelberg (GWS)
Ben McKay (North Melbourne)
Charlie Dixon (Port Adelaide)
Jade Gresham (St Kilda)
CARLTON UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
David Cuningham
Ed Curnow
Sam Durdin
Lachie Plowman
Jack Silvagni
All of them should be delisted at the end of the season.
Some players need a functioning team around them to take advantage of their skills. Not all players are 'Roll the sleeves up' types. Honey was touted by quite a few here (I have NFI on what he was like prior to the handfull of games he's played at the top level) but whatever it is, we need more Oliver Hollands types, who are ready to step up, work hard both ways, and do the 1%-ers, not just wait for someone to give it to them.Which is what Honey, Cunners and Cotters have, shame only one of those three will probably get a look in.
I really wanted Honey to be something but every time I see him he just can't seem to impact a game in any way. Was wondering if he had a tank but I'm assuming he wouldn't be under any consideration for a go in the middle.
Cunners has once again disappeared off the face of the earth, played one vfl game for a few disposals but wasn't named for tonight's game and not on the official injured list either
Yeah look I agree and believe there are a number of players on the list currently that objectively shouldn't be there next year or when their current contract ends.
They have had plenty of time to show something or get their bodies right. I like the attributes guys like Honey and Cunners and Marchy have but we've essentially got no value from them for years now.
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I want Jade Gresham from the Saints who is a free agent, despite his injury concerns in the pass. He is an absolute jet and perfect for our list.
And I'm told his is from a family of Bluebaggers prior to him joining the Aints
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Looks good to me - If you could please arrange that team for next week - would be much appreciated.
OK This is how I see our list changes that need to happen at the end of the year (Some Mid-year recruitment?).
Unreliable (not a lock in 22) - Continue to monitor (short contract extension)
These guys aren't a lock for whatever reason - but it doesn't mean they aren't dependable players, but their bodies may be shot (ie. Marchy)
Ed is probably more reliable now than ever but obviously needs to be managed and short contracts.
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Number Name Contract Expiry 2023 List
1 Jack Silvagni 2023 Senior
11 Mitch McGovern 2023 Senior
16 Jack Carroll 2024 Senior
21 Jack Martin 2024 Senior
22 Caleb Marchbank 2023 Senior
27 Marc Pittonet 2023 Senior
35 Ed Curnow 2022 Rookie (A)
44 Matt Owies 2024 Senior
Trade (while they have currency) or Cut (Time's up - Need to be ruthless)
Not really much else to be said. O'Brien a bit unlucky here but if he's not a lock then it's pointless to persevere.
A couple here might go on another list but we can't hold on forever. Better to let them possibly continue their career at another club.
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Number Name Contract Expiry 2023 List
2 Paddy Dow 2023 Senior
4 Lochie O'Brien 2024 Rookie (A)
8 Lachie Fogarty Unknown Senior
17 Brodie Kemp 2023 Senior
20 Lachie Plowman 2023 Senior
25 Zac Fisher 2025 Senior
28 David Cuningham 2023 Senior
34 Sam Philp 2023 Senior
36 Josh Honey 2023 Senior
38 Sam Durdin 2023 Rookie (A)
I realize that this doesn't leave us with a lot of depth but if they aren't knocking on the door of the 22 then they aren't really depth.
Unreliable (not a lock in 22) - Continue to monitor (short contract extension)
These guys aren't a lock for whatever reason - but it doesn't mean they aren't dependable players, but their bodies may be shot (ie. Marchy)
Ed is probably more reliable now than ever but obviously needs to be managed and short contracts.
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Number Name Contract Expiry 2023 List
1 Jack Silvagni 2023 Senior
11 Mitch McGovern 2023 Senior
16 Jack Carroll 2024 Senior
21 Jack Martin 2024 Senior
22 Caleb Marchbank 2023 Senior
27 Marc Pittonet 2023 Senior
35 Ed Curnow 2022 Rookie (A)
44 Matt Owies 2024 Senior
Trade (while they have currency) or Cut (Time's up - Need to be ruthless)
Not really much else to be said. O'Brien a bit unlucky here but if he's not a lock then it's pointless to persevere.
A couple here might go on another list but we can't hold on forever. Better to let them possibly continue their career at another club.
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Number Name Contract Expiry 2023 List
2 Paddy Dow 2023 Senior
4 Lochie O'Brien 2024 Rookie (A)
8 Lachie Fogarty Unknown Senior
17 Brodie Kemp 2023 Senior
20 Lachie Plowman 2023 Senior
25 Zac Fisher 2025 Senior
28 David Cuningham 2023 Senior
34 Sam Philp 2023 Senior
36 Josh Honey 2023 Senior
38 Sam Durdin 2023 Rookie (A)
I realize that this doesn't leave us with a lot of depth but if they aren't knocking on the door of the 22 then they aren't really depth.
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Probably a little aggressive for me.
There’s some obvious OOC players who can’t stay on the park, if that doesn’t change over the rest of the season then it’s papers stamped.
I reckon Ed hangs them up at the end of the year.
I wouldn’t have Kemp in the 2nd list, at least not yet.
Fisher would likely need to request a trade back to Perth for that to happen, which likely means he’s got a better offer (and has value) or isn’t getting games with us (which means less trade value).
I also can’t see us delisting any contracted players and paying them out.
The big problem with your strategy of trading/delisting a bare minimum of 10 players is we then have to replace those list spots. We’re not getting a bucket load of good picks back, so we end up with a few decent draftees, then end up looking at the very late picks, a small free agent pool, delisted free agents and rookies. Which is bleak.
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Haven't looked at contract status, so some of these moves might not be realistic (plus it's 11 players and I doubt we cut that deep this year), but this is my hit list so far.
Fogarty (or Forgetty) - keep forgetting we've even got him. Is he injured?
Honey - high hopes in his first 6 games or whatever it was, but shown nothing at senior level since. I know he's had injury interruptions, but he's also had chances.
Cuningham - he's never going to play more than 12 games a year. I don't care how talented he is. He's 27 at the start of next year.
Marchbank - see Cuningham above, except he's 27 at the end of this year. Time to move on from both.
Next few on the cusp, but potentially handy for depth/VFL:
Dow - just not up to AFL level. Seen enough. Happy to keep him on in the VFL only, but if he wants to pursue another AFL team, best of luck.
SOS - tough call. Love his tenaciousness and smarts, but he's wearing thin a bit and I'm not sure of his ideal role - not a great return for a 3rd tall.
LOB - his best disposals are elite, but too up and down - with Acres, Hollands, Cerra and Walsh all better at the role.
Williams - I reckon he's an elite half back when he plays, but misses too much footy.
Martin - similar to Williams, but see less of his best side.
Ed - would love him to stay on in the VFL (not AFL listed - and captain the side).
Philp - when did we get him? Am I being harsh getting rid of him so quick? Just haven't seen anything worth pursuing, but I don't get to training sessions, or watch the VFL as regularly as others.
To be replaced with... (broken record time) speed and ball use, with a defensive edge.
Fogarty (or Forgetty) - keep forgetting we've even got him. Is he injured?
Honey - high hopes in his first 6 games or whatever it was, but shown nothing at senior level since. I know he's had injury interruptions, but he's also had chances.
Cuningham - he's never going to play more than 12 games a year. I don't care how talented he is. He's 27 at the start of next year.
Marchbank - see Cuningham above, except he's 27 at the end of this year. Time to move on from both.
Next few on the cusp, but potentially handy for depth/VFL:
Dow - just not up to AFL level. Seen enough. Happy to keep him on in the VFL only, but if he wants to pursue another AFL team, best of luck.
SOS - tough call. Love his tenaciousness and smarts, but he's wearing thin a bit and I'm not sure of his ideal role - not a great return for a 3rd tall.
LOB - his best disposals are elite, but too up and down - with Acres, Hollands, Cerra and Walsh all better at the role.
Williams - I reckon he's an elite half back when he plays, but misses too much footy.
Martin - similar to Williams, but see less of his best side.
Ed - would love him to stay on in the VFL (not AFL listed - and captain the side).
Philp - when did we get him? Am I being harsh getting rid of him so quick? Just haven't seen anything worth pursuing, but I don't get to training sessions, or watch the VFL as regularly as others.
To be replaced with... (broken record time) speed and ball use, with a defensive edge.
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Delist the guys made of glass and look for players from the draft/trade table with decent footy intelligence.
One thing we lack for certain is players who understand the game well enough to flex multiple positions and react to shit going sideways. Docherty aside I can't confidently name anyone in our team who could coach past their playing days.
One thing we lack for certain is players who understand the game well enough to flex multiple positions and react to shit going sideways. Docherty aside I can't confidently name anyone in our team who could coach past their playing days.
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Not sure why people are throwing up Sam Durdin as a delist. Bloke is our only KPD injury cover and hasn't put a foot wrong, Young and Weitering just better than him.
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Absolutely, Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell would be having aneurisms trying to direct half the blokes we have out there most weeks.
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Don't recall how he played the role, but when he's been dropped into deep defence at AFL level he's been picked apart.
Just a hypothetical
Would anyone contemplate TDK for Ben Ainsworth?
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