List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[CCurnow3picks]

Between him and Gov they'd give the local KFC chefs a serious workout

Nothing left for Gov

 

[Arr0w]

Darcy would be too expensive for that type of ruckman

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Darcy would be too expensive for that type of ruckman

Most likely, but it would be interesting to see what his price would be given the Jackson deal is clearly intertwined with his position at the club.

That being said I don't think I'd trade for him with the role players and draft crop this available this year. Not the right time

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Keith’s Pastie’s in Brighton are the best ever - one of this would be worth the trade

Also have a shop at Burnley Street Richmond, their web page looked impressive I’ll have to check it out…

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Players in limbo: Kemp, S Durdin, Cincotta, Akuei.

I can see kemp having a good year of development in VFL/maybe some AFL and requesting a trade.. with a full pre season new start probably surprise a few people at carlton ..
surely durdin and cincotta stay --
Aku

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I can see kemp having a good year of development in VFL/maybe some AFL and requesting a trade.. with a full pre season new start probably surprise a few people at carlton ..
surely durdin and cincotta stay --
Aku

I'd be very disappointed if we lost Kemp. I think he's going to end up a good player and have long dismayed the sight of Plowman ahead of him. Don't reckon he's really disappointed in his appearances at AFL level either, just hasn't had luck go his way it seems.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Crazy to think the Dees could take the chocolates again this year and end up with a top 5 pick in a ridiculously stacked draft. Zane Duursma, Watson, Moir... That will hurt Freo and AFL fans alike to see if any of them end up in Dees colours come end of year.

All for Freo capitulating but if they could lift enough to get the Dees out of the top 5 that would be lovely.

 

[Garters]

You reckon we should have cut them pre-ACLs?
Or post ACLs?

Pre ACL Marchbank, Post ACL Cunningham.

Marchbank
2015 - 5 games (knee and shoulder issues (GWS)
2016 - 2 games (continuing serious knee and shoulder issues (GWS)

Hence we get a v highly touted key position no 6 draft pick for only a handful of pick swaps and salary dumps 2 yrs into his career because of injury concerns from GWS. (That right there is a significant red flag)

2017 - 16 games - His first yr at Carlton (best season) before hairline fractures in his shoulder in July finished it. Came back for a few toward the end.

2018 - 12 games for the season ankle & shoulder issues interrupting that season

2019 - 13 games then fractured vertebrae in july rest of the season out.

2020 - 0 games, missed entire season due to bone bruising in the knee

2021 - 0 games, coming back via VFL from bone bruising ruptures his acl. Season out

2022 - 4 games. Returns rnd 13 from ACL, 1st game back - meniscus tear 2 months out 4 games back end of season.

2023 - 0 games - Calf, no timeline of return

GWS saw the writing on the wall after 2 years we have persisted for 7 yrs. For no return as yet.

The ACL was just a compound of an existing mulriple seasons old form line in terms of injury.

When in that time line would you have drawn the line, or are you still comfortable waiting for something to change. Given 30 of those 40 games were in the first 2 years.

Cunningham much the same but would give him the benefit of the doubt re ACL. Only for it to turn into a 2.5 yr ordeal and haven't seen him since.

Both talents however the cold hard light of day would illustrate their bodies were not and will not handle AFL. That is a lot of resources, time and 2 list spots for 7 odd seasons coming into the 8th that has left us at the starting line. Can't have it if we are to continue building a finals capable list.

 

[The Bighouse]

Crazy to think the Dees could take the chocolates again this year and end up with a top 5 pick in a ridiculously stacked draft. Zane Duursma, Watson, Moir... That will hurt Freo and AFL fans alike to see if any of them end up in Dees colours come end of year.

All for Freo capitulating but if they could lift enough to get the Dees out of the top 5 that would be lovely.

Better in the Dees’ hands than Freo. Capitulate away.

Though MFC is still to lock away K.Pickett.

 

[BlueTongue]

Working through our OOC list it’s plausible we see quite a few changes at the end of the year but of course this needs to be tempered by what we can bring in to fill the list.

Players heading for delisting: Dow, Fogarty, Plowman, Marchbank, Cunners, Philp, Honey.

Players heading for retirement: Ed.

Players heading for an extension: McGovern, TDK, Newman, JSOS, Motlop, Pitto.

Players in limbo: Kemp, S Durdin, Cincotta, Akuei.

Of course we could see players who we’d like to contract leave - such as McGovern or TDK.

We could delist all 7 of those players with zero impact to our best 22. They are already giving us nothing and even green players have the potential to blossom.

 

[Juddrockz]

Be interesting if Sean Darcy did request to come home what he'd actually be worth. He's like an AA version of Pitto.

Im not convinced with Darcy. Caleb Daniels knocked him to the ground last night with a hip bump. Looked ordinary.

 

[Juddrockz]

we've been saying 'hopefully his calves hold up' every month for the last three years now...

send him overseas or wherever and get the problem fixed. Nothing is working for him within the club. Can't believe this wasn't done 18 months ago..

This! An at his own expense.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Im not convinced with Darcy. Caleb Daniels knocked him to the ground last night with a hip bump. Looked ordinary.

He's workmanlike. Got tidied up by English last night which was instrumental in the outcome.

Hardly AA.

 

[Juddernaut08]

one thing with english v tdk comparisons - they both struggled to win ruck contests and are mobile

english however has a cox like ability to find the ball. would be surprised if tdk ever averages anywhere close to 20possesions

 

[Juddernaut08]

This! An at his own expense.

no. this is just spiteful

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

He's workmanlike. Got tidied up by English last night which was instrumental in the outcome.

Hardly AA.

Darcy had 53 hit outs, 12 possessions and kicked a goal.. Sure English was good but hardly horrific from Darcy, and a sh1te load better than our 2 would give us.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

Also have a shop at Burnley Street Richmond, their web page looked impressive I’ll have to check it out…

Seriously amazing Cornish pasties - church at Brighton.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

Also have a shop at Burnley Street Richmond, their web page looked impressive I’ll have to check it out…

Hey there - I think the Richmond mob are a different lot. It’s worth the extra 20min trip to Brighton for these things trust me

 

[Coops93]

Teams with ruckmen like Darcy/Pittonet win more flags than those with the theoretical unicorn types.

2022 Geelong - Rhys Stanley

1

Rhys Stanley

Age

35

Ht

200cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.4

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

27.6

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.5

3star

CL

5.0

5star

HO

21.5

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.4

4star

CL

3.0

5star

HO

33.0

5star

(used to be quite athletic but now isn't much)
2021 Melbourne - Gawn, probably the only exception to the list. Even he is most effective at marking and tap work, though, rather than the extra midfielder type.
Richmond (x3) - Nankervis
2018 West Coast (Naitanui injured) - Scott Lycett

29

Scott Lycett

Age

33

Ht

203cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

6.3

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.0

5star

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.7

3star

CL

4.2

5star

HO

24.7

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

5.0

5star

2016 Western Bulldogs - Jordan Roughead

23

Jordan Roughead

Age

35

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

132.4

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.1

2star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.1

2star

MG

82.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

4.4

2star

HB

8.0

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

Hawthorn (x3) - David Hale

David Hale

Age

41

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.4

3star

(x2) & Max Bailey

Max Bailey

Age

39

Ht

206cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

4.5

3star

CL

2.5

4star

HO

19.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

5.8

2star

K

1.6

1star

HB

4.2

4star

HO

9.2

5star

2012 Sydney - Shane Mumford

41

Shane Mumford

Age

39

Ht

198cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

8.0

5star

CL

3.0

4star

HO

29.9

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

1.3

1star

HB

6.0

3star

CL

2.3

4star

HO

18.5

5star

D

6.2

2star

K

1.6

1star

HB

4.6

4star

HO

12.4

5star

2011 Geelong - Brad Ottens

Brad Ottens

Age

45

Ht

202cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.3

4star

CL

2.7

4star

HO

16.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

7.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.6

3star

HO

7.4

5star

Of that whole list of premiers only 1 could arguably be the prototype athletic ruckman, but like I said there his best contribution is when doing the ruckman things the best. They could lose his other skills and still not be impacted all that much.

We see the same thing with our own ruckmen, our plodding, not very skilled ruckman contributes far, far more than our super athletic, quick and exciting ruckman to wins.

 

[Juddrockz]

no. this is just spiteful

Spiteful? Come on....How many games has he actually played throughout the exuberant contact he has with us?
A he's not on his own either.

 

[BlueJet]

He's workmanlike. Got tidied up by English last night which was instrumental in the outcome.

Hardly AA.

English got towelled in the ruck, did less around the stoppage but provided more around the ground.
Much like the Pitt/TDK discussion, it comes down to what you want from your ruckmen.

 

[Arr0w]

I want ruckmen that can genuinely compete away from a stoppage and be a threat forward

These types don't cost you high draft picks or salary

 

[Jimmyonesix]

English got towelled in the ruck, did less around the stoppage but provided more around the ground.
Much like the Pitt/TDK discussion, it comes down to what you want from your ruckmen.

I want taps to advantage - him busting bodies taking marks around the ground and kicking a goal here or there .. I'd take the mullet from essendon can't believe I said that

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Teams with ruckmen like Darcy/Pittonet win more flags than those with the theoretical unicorn types.

2022 Geelong - Rhys Stanley (used to be quite athletic but now isn't much)
2021 Melbourne - Gawn, probably the only exception to the list. Even he is most effective at marking and tap work, though, rather than the extra midfielder type.
Richmond (x3) - Nankervis
2018 West Coast (Naitanui injured) - Scott Lycett
2016 Western Bulldogs - Jordan Roughead
Hawthorn (x3) - David Hale (x2) & Max Bailey
2012 Sydney - Shane Mumford
2011 Geelong - Brad Ottens

Of that whole list of premiers only 1 could arguably be the prototype athletic ruckman, but like I said there his best contribution is when doing the ruckman things the best. They could lose his other skills and still not be impacted all that much.

We see the same thing with our own ruckmen, our plodding, not very skilled ruckman contributes far, far more than our super athletic, quick and exciting ruckman to wins.

Tend to agree, although is only recently that the athletic ruck has become a thing, prob hasn’t been a good one since Adam Goodes. However when our midfield is firing we are clearance strong, to do that we need first possession and a ruck that can feed our mids is critical.. prob the annoying thing is this has been an obvious flaw in our list for min 3 years yet we have done sfa about it.

if TDK leaves it frees up about $500k we would have spent on him, lose Dow and Jack Martin, Fogarty, Plowman & March and then offering $800k to Darcy seems viable.

 

[Accidental genius]

Tend to agree, although is only recently that the athletic ruck has become a thing, prob hasn’t been a good one since Adam Goodes. However when our midfield is firing we are clearance strong, to do that we need first possession and a ruck that can feed our mids is critical.. prob the annoying thing is this has been an obvious flaw in our list for min 3 years yet we have done sfa about it.

if TDK leaves it frees up about $500k we would have spent on him, lose Dow and Jack Martin then offering $800k to Darcy seems viable.

isnt martin contracted till end of 2024 ?