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Agreed, but they are being greedy then wanting the very next pick as well. That’s just arrogance IMO.

The good thing is we've been pretty clear we won't part with 2 and 3.
 

Pick 3 - North Melbourne: Zane Duursma

Position: Midfielder-Forward
Height: 189cm
Weight: 79kg
State: Victoria
Club: Foster

North Melbourne will have an enticing decision to make when they're on the clock given they hold a pair of successive selections in the opening four slots.

Their opening selection could be to add Duursma to their emerging list, with the brother of new Essendon recruit Xavier and Port Adelaide's Yasmin an astute pickup for a side likely wanting to bolster its attack while also adding some midfielder support.

Duursma's best position is at half-forward, where he can work up the ground and impact the engine room before flicking the switch and being a lethal presence in attack.

Another to consider: Dan Curtin

Pick 4 - North Melbourne: Colby McKercher

Position: Midfielder
Height: 180cm
Weight: 76kg
State: Tasmania
Club: Launceston

The Roos' second selection will likely come down to either McKercher or Western Australia's Dan Curtin. While the Roos have been closely tied to the latter, there's every chance they roll the dice on McKercher in a scenario that seems them select the best talent still available.

Although they're home to the likes of Luke Davies-Uniacke, George Wardlaw, Jy Simpkin and Tarryn Thomas, the Kangaroos add a new edge to their midfield mix with the addition of McKercher, who has pace to burn and a match-winning attitude like no other in this year's count.

His move into Alastair Clarkson's midfield mix would give the Roos some exciting excite run, much like a Chad Warner or Errol Gulden at Sydney, while allowing Rising Star winner Harry Sheezel to play across half-back or in the forward line.

Another to consider: Ryley Sanders

Pick 20 - North Melbourne: Lance Collard

Position: Forward
Height: 180cm
Weight: 65kg
State: Western Australia
Club: North Beach

What's West Coast's loss will be North Melbourne's gain as the Roos bid for the Eagles Next Generation Academy talent Lance Collard in the opening round and prior to the Pick 40 cutoff for matched NGA bids.

Collard steadily built up stocks this year at the WAFL Colts level with Subiaco, booting 32 goals from his 11 games. But it would be his combine testing that pushed him further up the rankings.

The pacey small forward took out the quickest time for the agility test this month ahead of Lions teammate Koltyn Tholstrup and would also finish with the fourth-best time for the 20m sprint.

Another to consider: George Stevens

Pick 22 - North Melbourne: Archer Reid

Position: Key Forward
Height: 203cm
Weight: 94kg
State: Victoria
Club: Inverloch-Kongwak

A key area of focus for North Melbourne at this year's draft will be adding to their key forward depth, with Reid likely the leading tall attacker on offer at the back-end of the opening round.

The aforementioned Caddy is perhaps the only available key forward ahead of Reid, with Walter and Croft tied to the Suns and Dogs respectively.

Reid, the younger brother of Essendon defender Zach, came into the season as a potential top 10 prospect and was still able to piece together a good year, booting 16 goals for Gippsland in a forward line shared with Zane Duursma and West Coast mid-season recruit Ryan Maric.

Another to consider: Logan Morris

Pick 23 - North Melbourne: Archie Roberts

Position: Defender
Height: 184cm
Weight: 79kg
State: Victoria
Club: Hampton Rovers

Roberts earned a spot at half-back in the Coates Talent League Team of the Year following his strong season in Sandringham's backline, averaging over 20 disposals from his nine appearances in 2023.

Also able to push up the field and work through midfield or in the forward line, Roberts knows how to win the ball and has the tank to see out games in comfort.

With North Melbourne parting with defensive outlets Aaron Hall, Zack Ziebell and Daniel Howe, coupled with Harry Sheezel's potential move into the forward line, Roberts could find a home at half-back at Arden Street.

Another to consider: Arie Schoenmaker
Pretty good - just swap arie instead of Roberts
 
Can someone please post the text of this.
AFL Draft 2023: The potential pick 1 deal and how it would affect the top 10

North Melbourne and the Demons remain in talks with the Eagles about a trade for Harley Reid – and it’s becoming clear what they want. Here’s how the first few picks could fall in the draft.

Jay Clark

October 20, 2023 5:20 pm

West Coast won’t be tempted by multiple selections in the teens from North Melbourne in any swap for the Eagles’ prized pick one.

North Melbourne and Melbourne remain engaged in talks with the Eagles in a bid to secure pick one and the access to star underage prospect Harley Reid.

North Melbourne is keen to take Harley Reid with the first selection in next month’s national draft, adding the powerful goal kicker to a talented midfield mix.

But West Coast has made clear it would only be tempted by multiple single-figure selections, rather than choices late in the first round.

This masthead revealed West Coast would consider a swap for North’s picks two and three for pick one.

There is also the option of involving Melbourne, which has picks six and 11.

But North will have to use 15, 17 and 18 to package together and jump up the order, or include its future first-round pick to have a chance of tempting West Coast into giving up pick one.

West Coast has minimal interest in picks in the teens unless they accompany multiple single-figure picks to boost the club’s rebuild.

Recruiters are convinced there are 8-10 excellent prospects in this year’s draft, but the talent drops off in the double-digit range.

West Coast is very happy to take Tongala goal kicker Reid at pick one, leaving speedy playmaker Colby McKercherand outside midfielder Zane Duursma for North at picks two and three.

Hawthorn likes small forward Nick Watson and Western Bulldogs are eyeing gun midfielder Ryley Sanders at pick five, leaving star goal kicker Nate Caddy for Melbourne at pick six.

Highly-touted Western Australian key defender Daniel Curtin could slide to GWS Giants at pick seven, although the Giants are well-stocked for key defenders, prompting clubs to eye a potential pick swap with GWS.

Geelong also likes 193cm Caddy, who can play forward and through the midfield, although he would have to slide to their chance at pick eight.

But generally clubs are not keen to slide back in the draft order as the bulk of the top talent is inside 10.

Highly-touted Western Australian key defender Daniel Curtin could slide to GWS Giants at pick seven, although the Giants are well-stocked for key defenders, prompting clubs to eye a potential pick swap with GWS.

Geelong also likes 193cm Caddy, who can play forward and through the midfield, although he would have to slide to their chance at pick eight.

But generally clubs are not keen to slide back in the draft order as the bulk of the top talent is inside 10.
WC wants top 10 picks.
 
AFL Draft 2023: The potential pick 1 deal and how it would affect the top 10

North Melbourne and the Demons remain in talks with the Eagles about a trade for Harley Reid – and it’s becoming clear what they want. Here’s how the first few picks could fall in the draft.

Jay Clark

October 20, 2023 5:20 pm

West Coast won’t be tempted by multiple selections in the teens from North Melbourne in any swap for the Eagles’ prized pick one.

North Melbourne and Melbourne remain engaged in talks with the Eagles in a bid to secure pick one and the access to star underage prospect Harley Reid.

North Melbourne is keen to take Harley Reid with the first selection in next month’s national draft, adding the powerful goal kicker to a talented midfield mix.

But West Coast has made clear it would only be tempted by multiple single-figure selections, rather than choices late in the first round.

This masthead revealed West Coast would consider a swap for North’s picks two and three for pick one.

There is also the option of involving Melbourne, which has picks six and 11.

But North will have to use 15, 17 and 18 to package together and jump up the order, or include its future first-round pick to have a chance of tempting West Coast into giving up pick one.

West Coast has minimal interest in picks in the teens unless they accompany multiple single-figure picks to boost the club’s rebuild.

Recruiters are convinced there are 8-10 excellent prospects in this year’s draft, but the talent drops off in the double-digit range.

West Coast is very happy to take Tongala goal kicker Reid at pick one, leaving speedy playmaker Colby McKercherand outside midfielder Zane Duursma for North at picks two and three.

Hawthorn likes small forward Nick Watson and Western Bulldogs are eyeing gun midfielder Ryley Sanders at pick five, leaving star goal kicker Nate Caddy for Melbourne at pick six.

Highly-touted Western Australian key defender Daniel Curtin could slide to GWS Giants at pick seven, although the Giants are well-stocked for key defenders, prompting clubs to eye a potential pick swap with GWS.

Geelong also likes 193cm Caddy, who can play forward and through the midfield, although he would have to slide to their chance at pick eight.

But generally clubs are not keen to slide back in the draft order as the bulk of the top talent is inside 10.

Highly-touted Western Australian key defender Daniel Curtin could slide to GWS Giants at pick seven, although the Giants are well-stocked for key defenders, prompting clubs to eye a potential pick swap with GWS.

Geelong also likes 193cm Caddy, who can play forward and through the midfield, although he would have to slide to their chance at pick eight.

But generally clubs are not keen to slide back in the draft order as the bulk of the top talent is inside 10.
WC wants top 10 picks.
leaving homer simpson GIF
 
AFL Draft 2023: The potential pick 1 deal and how it would affect the top 10

North Melbourne and the Demons remain in talks with the Eagles about a trade for Harley Reid – and it’s becoming clear what they want. Here’s how the first few picks could fall in the draft.

Jay Clark

October 20, 2023 5:20 pm

West Coast won’t be tempted by multiple selections in the teens from North Melbourne in any swap for the Eagles’ prized pick one.

North Melbourne and Melbourne remain engaged in talks with the Eagles in a bid to secure pick one and the access to star underage prospect Harley Reid.

North Melbourne is keen to take Harley Reid with the first selection in next month’s national draft, adding the powerful goal kicker to a talented midfield mix.

But West Coast has made clear it would only be tempted by multiple single-figure selections, rather than choices late in the first round.

This masthead revealed West Coast would consider a swap for North’s picks two and three for pick one.

There is also the option of involving Melbourne, which has picks six and 11.

But North will have to use 15, 17 and 18 to package together and jump up the order, or include its future first-round pick to have a chance of tempting West Coast into giving up pick one.

West Coast has minimal interest in picks in the teens unless they accompany multiple single-figure picks to boost the club’s rebuild.

Recruiters are convinced there are 8-10 excellent prospects in this year’s draft, but the talent drops off in the double-digit range.

West Coast is very happy to take Tongala goal kicker Reid at pick one, leaving speedy playmaker Colby McKercherand outside midfielder Zane Duursma for North at picks two and three.

Hawthorn likes small forward Nick Watson and Western Bulldogs are eyeing gun midfielder Ryley Sanders at pick five, leaving star goal kicker Nate Caddy for Melbourne at pick six.

Highly-touted Western Australian key defender Daniel Curtin could slide to GWS Giants at pick seven, although the Giants are well-stocked for key defenders, prompting clubs to eye a potential pick swap with GWS.

Geelong also likes 193cm Caddy, who can play forward and through the midfield, although he would have to slide to their chance at pick eight.

But generally clubs are not keen to slide back in the draft order as the bulk of the top talent is inside 10.

Highly-touted Western Australian key defender Daniel Curtin could slide to GWS Giants at pick seven, although the Giants are well-stocked for key defenders, prompting clubs to eye a potential pick swap with GWS.

Geelong also likes 193cm Caddy, who can play forward and through the midfield, although he would have to slide to their chance at pick eight.

But generally clubs are not keen to slide back in the draft order as the bulk of the top talent is inside 10.
WC wants top 10 picks.
Pick Reid then you soft *****
 
Can someone please post the text of this.
It includes “this masthead revealed that WCS would trade pick 1 for 2 and 3 from North Melbourne”. Save your eyes.
 
The more I think about it, the happier I am to go with what we have:
2 - Kerch
2 - Duursma/ Curtin/ Watson
15 - Murphy (KPD)
17 - (and this is the master stroke) there are 3 top WA kids still on the Board and Freo (who holds 3 F1s but nothin <34 this year) slides in to take one before WC’s next pick. We effectively swap 17 for f10 and screw WC in the process
18 - running defender/ wing like Hardeman or Roberts or KPF Reid

No reason to blow our draft load for a Reid reacharound. We’ve got the draft haul wet dreams are made of and two top 10 picks next year!
 
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Reports have stated that West Coast will only accept 2 x top 10 picks for pick 1. There’s no way we should give up picks 2 and 3 without any high picks coming back to us, so I have come up with a potential 4 team trade of picks that could make it work and benefit all clubs involved. Numbers in brackets indicate where each player might be taken in the draft after the academy and F/S selections that are expected within the top 20 picks.

NM:
  • give: 2, 3, 15, 17
  • get: 1, 7, 11
  • keep: 18
Reid (1), Caddy (8), Murphy (14), Green or Collard 18 (23).

Allows us to get the best player in the draft, 2nd best key forward, one of the top 3 key defenders and rucks/ small forwards. With the exception of Collard, all are Victorians too so little to no risk of the go home factor.

Obviously we should try to keep 15 instead of 18, but I suspect that GWS would decline the trade and keep pick 7 until we offer more.

WCE:
  • give: 1
  • get: 2, 6
Allows them to get McKercher (3) and be a good chance for Curtin (7).

Melb:
  • give: 6, 11
  • get: 3
The Dees can get Duursma (4), a dynamic forward-mid to add more potency to their problem area of the ground (up forward).

GWS:
  • give: 7
  • get: 15, 17
GWS ends up with 3 picks in a row near the end of the first round: 15 (20), 16 (21), 17 (22). They have already invested heavily in talls over the past few drafts (Cadman, Gruzewski, Aleer). Therefore, getting additional picks and options towards the back end of the first round might suit them better than getting another tall (like Caddy or O’Sullivan) with pick 7, which will be 8 or 9 after the academy selections.

Personally, I’d also be fine with just keeping our current draft hand, but this is one way that we could get access to the best player in the draft whilst also getting high end KP talent to address some of the holes in our list.
 
The more I think about it, the happier I am to go with what we have:
2 - Kerch
2 - Duursma/ Curtin/ Watson
15 - Murphy (KPD)
17 - (and this is the master stroke) there are 3 top WA kids still on the Board and Freo (who holds 3 F1s but nothin <34 this year) slides in to take one before WC’s next pick. We effectively swap 17 for f10 and screw WC in the process
18 - running defender/ wing like Hardeman or Roberts or KPF Reid

No reason to blow our draft load for a Reid reacharound. We’ve got the draft haul wet dreams are made of and two top 10 picks next year!
17 & 57 for f10 & 34. f10 could be higher. They have to pay overs.
 
Reports have stated that West Coast will only accept 2 x top 10 picks for pick 1. There’s no way we should give up picks 2 and 3 without any high picks coming back to us, so I have come up with a potential 4 team trade of picks that could make it work and benefit all clubs involved. Numbers in brackets indicate where each player might be taken in the draft after the academy and F/S selections that are expected within the top 20 picks.

NM:
  • give: 2, 3, 15, 17
  • get: 1, 7, 11
  • keep: 18
Reid (1), Caddy (8), Murphy (14), Green or Collard 18 (23).

Allows us to get the best player in the draft, 2nd best key forward, one of the top 3 key defenders and rucks/ small forwards. With the exception of Collard, all are Victorians too so little to no risk of the go home factor.

Obviously we should try to keep 15 instead of 18, but I suspect that GWS would decline the trade and keep pick 7 until we offer more.

WCE:
  • give: 1
  • get: 2, 6
Allows them to get McKercher (3) and be a good chance for Curtin (7).

Melb:
  • give: 6, 11
  • get: 3
The Dees can get Duursma (4), a dynamic forward-mid to add more potency to their problem area of the ground (up forward).

GWS:
  • give: 7
  • get: 15, 17
GWS ends up with 3 picks in a row near the end of the first round: 15 (20), 16 (21), 17 (22). They have already invested heavily in talls over the past few drafts (Cadman, Gruzewski, Aleer). Therefore, getting additional picks and options towards the back end of the first round might suit them better than getting another tall (like Caddy or O’Sullivan) with pick 7, which will be 8 or 9 after the academy selections.

Personally, I’d also be fine with just keeping our current draft hand, but this is one way that we could get access to the best player in the draft whilst also getting high end KP talent to address some of the holes in our list.
Well done. A bit of work has been put into this. I can’t see GWS being happy to slide back so far. Did u come up with any other options?
 
Reports have stated that West Coast will only accept 2 x top 10 picks for pick 1. There’s no way we should give up picks 2 and 3 without any high picks coming back to us, so I have come up with a potential 4 team trade of picks that could make it work and benefit all clubs involved. Numbers in brackets indicate where each player might be taken in the draft after the academy and F/S selections that are expected within the top 20 picks.

NM:
  • give: 2, 3, 15, 17
  • get: 1, 7, 11
  • keep: 18
Reid (1), Caddy (8), Murphy (14), Green or Collard 18 (23).

Allows us to get the best player in the draft, 2nd best key forward, one of the top 3 key defenders and rucks/ small forwards. With the exception of Collard, all are Victorians too so little to no risk of the go home factor.

Obviously we should try to keep 15 instead of 18, but I suspect that GWS would decline the trade and keep pick 7 until we offer more.

WCE:
  • give: 1
  • get: 2, 6
Allows them to get McKercher (3) and be a good chance for Curtin (7).

Melb:
  • give: 6, 11
  • get: 3
The Dees can get Duursma (4), a dynamic forward-mid to add more potency to their problem area of the ground (up forward).

GWS:
  • give: 7
  • get: 15, 17
GWS ends up with 3 picks in a row near the end of the first round: 15 (20), 16 (21), 17 (22). They have already invested heavily in talls over the past few drafts (Cadman, Gruzewski, Aleer). Therefore, getting additional picks and options towards the back end of the first round might suit them better than getting another tall (like Caddy or O’Sullivan) with pick 7, which will be 8 or 9 after the academy selections.

Personally, I’d also be fine with just keeping our current draft hand, but this is one way that we could get access to the best player in the draft whilst also getting high end KP talent to address some of the holes in our list.
Pretty good effort that. I think WC would potentially have to pay up a bit more to either Melb or GWS in terms of their second pick or a F2
 
Reports have stated that West Coast will only accept 2 x top 10 picks for pick 1. There’s no way we should give up picks 2 and 3 without any high picks coming back to us, so I have come up with a potential 4 team trade of picks that could make it work and benefit all clubs involved. Numbers in brackets indicate where each player might be taken in the draft after the academy and F/S selections that are expected within the top 20 picks.

NM:
  • give: 2, 3, 15, 17
  • get: 1, 7, 11
  • keep: 18
Reid (1), Caddy (8), Murphy (14), Green or Collard 18 (23).

Allows us to get the best player in the draft, 2nd best key forward, one of the top 3 key defenders and rucks/ small forwards. With the exception of Collard, all are Victorians too so little to no risk of the go home factor.

Obviously we should try to keep 15 instead of 18, but I suspect that GWS would decline the trade and keep pick 7 until we offer more.

WCE:
  • give: 1
  • get: 2, 6
Allows them to get McKercher (3) and be a good chance for Curtin (7).

Melb:
  • give: 6, 11
  • get: 3
The Dees can get Duursma (4), a dynamic forward-mid to add more potency to their problem area of the ground (up forward).

GWS:
  • give: 7
  • get: 15, 17
GWS ends up with 3 picks in a row near the end of the first round: 15 (20), 16 (21), 17 (22). They have already invested heavily in talls over the past few drafts (Cadman, Gruzewski, Aleer). Therefore, getting additional picks and options towards the back end of the first round might suit them better than getting another tall (like Caddy or O’Sullivan) with pick 7, which will be 8 or 9 after the academy selections.

Personally, I’d also be fine with just keeping our current draft hand, but this is one way that we could get access to the best player in the draft whilst also getting high end KP talent to address some of the holes in our list.
2 3 > 1 7
15 17 > 11
 

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If we're able to jag another top 10 pick - we take it and 2 & 3 to the draft.

That on top of Sheezel, Wardlaw and George is like Christmas and sets this Club up for its third coming.

After winning a dozen games in four gruelling years, I couldn't care less about what WC or their entitled supporters want. It's a mind numbing narrative.
 
Reports have stated that West Coast will only accept 2 x top 10 picks for pick 1. There’s no way we should give up picks 2 and 3 without any high picks coming back to us, so I have come up with a potential 4 team trade of picks that could make it work and benefit all clubs involved. Numbers in brackets indicate where each player might be taken in the draft after the academy and F/S selections that are expected within the top 20 picks.

NM:
  • give: 2, 3, 15, 17
  • get: 1, 7, 11
  • keep: 18
Reid (1), Caddy (8), Murphy (14), Green or Collard 18 (23).

Allows us to get the best player in the draft, 2nd best key forward, one of the top 3 key defenders and rucks/ small forwards. With the exception of Collard, all are Victorians too so little to no risk of the go home factor.

Obviously we should try to keep 15 instead of 18, but I suspect that GWS would decline the trade and keep pick 7 until we offer more.

WCE:
  • give: 1
  • get: 2, 6
Allows them to get McKercher (3) and be a good chance for Curtin (7).

Melb:
  • give: 6, 11
  • get: 3
The Dees can get Duursma (4), a dynamic forward-mid to add more potency to their problem area of the ground (up forward).

GWS:
  • give: 7
  • get: 15, 17
GWS ends up with 3 picks in a row near the end of the first round: 15 (20), 16 (21), 17 (22). They have already invested heavily in talls over the past few drafts (Cadman, Gruzewski, Aleer). Therefore, getting additional picks and options towards the back end of the first round might suit them better than getting another tall (like Caddy or O’Sullivan) with pick 7, which will be 8 or 9 after the academy selections.

Personally, I’d also be fine with just keeping our current draft hand, but this is one way that we could get access to the best player in the draft whilst also getting high end KP talent to address some of the holes in our list.
I'm not giving up pick 2 and 3 in any trade. I'd be surprised if North do any trade with both going out.

It's either Reid and Duursma or McKercher and Duursma imo.
 
A draft haul of the below is definitely appealing
2 - McKercher
3 - Duursma
15 - Murphy (may not be available)
17 - Collard / Jiath / Reid / Edwards / Green etc
18 - Collard / Jiath / Reid / Edwards / Green etc

But to set ourselves up for success and better address needs particularly in the backline, I hope we give consideration to splitting picks 3 for 6 and 11 and trading 15 and 17 for 8.

Leaving 2, 6, 8, 11 and 18
2 - McKercher or Duursma (I’d prefer McKercher)
6 - Curtin, Sullivan or Caddy (I’d go Caddy here)
8 - Curtin or Sullivan (whichever is left on the board)
11 - Leake, Windsor or Murphy
18 - Collard / Jiath / Reid / Edwards / Green etc
 
It would be a very bad decision IMO to not leave consecutive year drafts with 2 of the best 3 available kids. The opportunity that we have in the 2022/23 drafts to take Sheezel, Wardlaw and two of Reid, Duursma, Mckercher (or whatever our best available are) is one we will likely not have again in our lifetime.

We move for 1. That’s all.
 

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