Review 2023 National Draft Review Thread II [McKercher, Z.Duursma, Goad, W.Dawson, Hardeman, Maley]

[Sphynx]

With next year's top 5 predicted to be better mids than this year's. I think there's some merrit in splitting 3, if it ensures nabbing Geel 8.

End up with 2, 6, 8

6: Watson or O'Sullivan...or for those wanting a mid, Sanders
8 : Curtain/Caddy/Wilson

Combines best available with points of difference to our list needs.

3 bites instead of 2.
6 & 8 > 3.

while holding two of the late picks.
2, 6, 8, 15, 18

Not according to Twomey.

His general advice from recruiters is the current feeling next year is a poor draft, with clubs trying to trade capital into 2023, despite it being compromised.

Some underage mids certainly performed well. But so did McKercher, Duursma and Reid last year as an example, last years form has been franked with last years draft classes performance in the AFL this year.

Remembering Duursma kicked 6 in a game last year as a 16 year old for Gippsland and Reid should have arguably been the Larke Medalist.

 

[r00boy96]

Post Combine Final Draft Rankings

Not a great deal of change, few minor shifts in the top 10. Ryley Sanders pushes into the top 5, I just can't have him outside that range considering his consistent output. Jiath, Leake and Hastie all improve their previous rankings after I went back and watched more of their later season games. Couple of players added to the top 50 like Charlie Edwards, Riley Weatherill and Zane Zoletensky. Few other players added to the 50+ list. 93 draftable players not including mature agers like Mannagh.

Pick	Name	Height	Weight	Position	Club	Comments
1	Jed Walter	194cm	91kg	Key Forward	GC Academy	Strong key forward with natural goal sense. Also has decent ground level game and tackling.
2	Harley Reid	185cm	83kg	Midfielder/Utility	Bendigo Pioneers	All round dominant player. Physical, aggressive and competitive.
3	Colby McKercher	181cm	72kg	Midfielder	Tasmania	Well rounded, good balance between inside and outside game. Burst from stoppages
4	Ryley Sanders	186cm	85kg	Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	Accumulating mid, who has good balance between inside and outside game.
5	Zane Durrsma	189cm	79kg	Half Forward/Midfielder	Gippsland Power	X factor half forward. Elite decision maker and classy ball user.
6	Daniel Curtin	195cm	93kg	Key Defender	Claremont	Elite athlete and footy IQ. Best suited to defense. Good closing speed and ball use.
7	Nick Watson	170cm	69kg	Small Forward/Midfielder	Eastern Ranges	Elite speed and high footy IQ. Dynamic movement, dangerous around goals.
8	Connor O'Sullivan	196cm	85kg	Key Defender	Murray Bushrangers	Versatile and mobile tall who is an intercepting threat across half back.
9	Nate Caddy	192cm	91kg	Key Forward	Northern Knights	Undersize, but aggressive key forward. Contested marking threat
10	Darcy Wilson	185cm	73kg	Midfielder	Murray Bushrangers	Strong runner, excellent ball user and good burst of speed.
11	Ethan Read	202cm	87kg	Ruck	GC Academy	Athletic ruck who moves really well around the ground, neat skills for a kid his size
12	Jake Rogers	172cm	67kg	Midfielder	GC Academy	Slight, but tough on the inside. Has a bit of speed around stoppages.
13	Caleb Windsor	184cm	74kg	Wing	Eastern Ranges	Rangy, hard running wingman who accumulates on the outside. Uses the ball well.
14	Jordan Croft	200cm	80kg	Key Forward	Calder Cannons	Athletic key forward who keeps kicking goals. Excellent athlete who marks well on the lead
15	Mitchell Edwards	205cm	85kg	Ruckman	Peel	Elite ruck craft and movement. High footy IQ. Impacts the scoreboard when pushing forward.
16	Oliver Murphy	200cm	85kg	Key Defender	Sandringham Dragons	Rangy key defender who is athletic and dependable. Good positioning in one on ones.
17	James Leake	188cm	74kg	Half Back	Tasmania	Intercepting defender with good decision making and composure.
18	Harry DeMattia	184cm	77kg	Midfielder/Half Forward	Dandenong Stingrays	Explosive mid, who like to use his pace to breakaway. Defensively minded
19	Arie Shoenmaker	194cm	89kg	Key Defender	Tasmania	Intercepting defender with penetrating left foot.
20	Joel Freijah	191cm	86kg	Midfielder/Wing	GWV Rebels	Unique tall mid. Good balance between inside and outside game. Strong runner.
21	Tew Jiath	187cm	73kg	Half Back	Gippsland Power	Freakishly athletic half back who can intercept and provide run and carrry.
22	Riley Hardeman	188cm	80kg	Half Back/Wing	Swan District	Neat, penetrating left foot. Provides drive with run and carry.
23	Angus Hastie	189cm	77kg	Half Back/Midfielder	Geelong Falcons	Tough competitive type who can provide good rebound. Strong in the air too
24	Archer Reid	203cm	85kg	Key Forward	Gippsland Power	Raw, stacks of upside, good movement for his height.
25	Lance Collard	185cm	68kg	Half Forward/Wing	Subiaco	Classy ball user who has excellent vision and goal sense. Has ability to provide real dash.
26	Clay Hall	190cm	85kg	Midfielder/Wing	Peel	Unique tall mid. Strong runner who has player some senior footy in the WAFL.
27	Jack Delean	181cm	73kg	Small Forward	South Adelaide	Smart small forward with good finishing skills. Good positioning and movement.
28	Koltyn Tholstrup	188cm	80kg	Half Forward/Midfielder	Subiaco	Dynamic half forward/mid. Capable around goals, but can also find the ball upfield
29	George Stevens	190cm	90kg	Half Back/Midfielder	GWV Rebels	Strong and physical half back/mid. Long/damaging kick with good vision around the contest
30	Archie Roberts	184cm	77kg	Half Back/Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	One touch defender who can push up the ground and provide some rebound.
31	Will McCabe	197cm	81kg	Key Defender	Central Districts	Good aerial ability, can accumulate and distribute the ball well.
32	Logan Morris	191cm	90kg	Key Forward	Western Jets	Undersize, but aggressive key forward. Contested marking threat.
33	Taylor Goad	207cm	90kg	Ruckman	South Adelaide	Freskishly athletic ruckman, who can cover he ground. Very raw, but has plenty to build on.
34	Lual Luamon	181cm	71cm	Half Back	GWV Rebels	Rangy half back who uses his athleticsm to carry the ball. Provides good rebound, but very raw
35	Harvey Johnston	184cm	76kg	Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	Classy midfielder with excellent evasiveness and vision.
36	Will Brown	194cm	87kg	Midfielder/Tall Forward	Sandringham Dragons	Unique tall midfielder, uses his body well around the stoppages. Strong hands around the ground.
37	Kane Mcauliffe	187cm	90kg	Midfielder	North Adelaide	Physical, big bodied inside mid who is at home on around the stoppages.
38	Caiden Cleary	182cm	81kg	Midfielder	Swans Academy	Clearance midfield, who thrives on the contest. Good ball user by hand
39	Jack Callinan	179cm	77kg	Small Forward	Tasmania	Crafty small forward who can impact up the ground. Good decision making and goal sense
40	Charlie Edwards	190cm	85kg	Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	Big bodied midfielder who can win clearances and also provide some run on the outside.
41	Luke Lloyd	193cm	87kg	Key Forward	Sandringham Dragons	Traditional mobile CHF who find posessions through work rate.
42	William Green	204cm	89kg	Ruck	Northern Knights	Athletic ruckman, who is raw but has potential. Mobile, and covers the ground well.
43	Lachlan Charleson	176cm	72kg	Small Forward	GWV Rebels	Small forward with good goal sense and appetitive to do the team things.
44	Ashton Moir	188cm	84kg	Half Forward	Glenelg	Classy ball user on both feet, dangerous around goals.
45	Koen Sanchez	178cm	70kg	Midfielder/Half Forward	East Fremantle	Has a bit of speed and flair in his game. Can also accumulate the ball up the ground
46	Nathan Philactides	181cm	80kg	Half Back/Wing	Oakleigh Chargers	Dashing half back, who has good decision making and skills. Isn't afraid to take the game on.
47	Zane Zakostelsky	196cm	89kg	Key Defender	Claremont	Athletic tall who tested well at the combine. Raw, but has some very draftable traits.
48	Billy Wilson	182cm	72kg	Small Defender	Dandenong Stingrays	Aggressive half back who loves to run and carry. Provides dash and has neat skils.
49	Will Dawson	200cm	86kg	Key Forward/Key Defender	Gippsland Power	Unique and raw tall who has a lot of upside. Good speed and mobility for a kid his height.
50	Riley Wetherill	195cm	87kg	Key Forward	Eastern Ranges	Neat key forward who is a constested marking threat. Lacks ground level game
50+	Cam Nyko	180cm	78kg	Half Back	Eastern Ranges	Accumulating half back who provide run and drive. Can be wasteful with his disposal
50+	Josh Docking	178cm	70kg	Wing	Sandringham Dragons	Zippy wingman who works both ways, damaging by foot
50+	Phoenix Gothard	178cm	70kg	Small Forward	Murray Bushrangers	Crafty and creative small forward that has natural goal kicking craft. Good defensive intensity.
50+	Luca Slade	180cm	70kg	Midfielder/Half Forward	Sturt	Nuggety type who cracks in. Rarely plays a bad game.
50+	Alex Holt	180cm	73kg	Half Back	Sturt	Competitive half back who has good balance between his offensive and defensive game.
50+	Tom Anastasopoulos	176cm	66kg	Small Forward	Geelong Falcons	Zippy with excellent goal sense. Gets to the fall of the ball.
50+	Mahmoud Taha	182cm	76kg	Midfielder/Half Forward	Calder Cannons	Accumulating mid who can find the ball at will. Neat side step and good vision in the contest.
50+	Aiden O'Driscoll	177cm	70kg	Midfielder	Perth	Hard running wingman, who works hard both ways. Neat skills and decision making
50+	Kynan Brown	181cm	72kg	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Hard running midfielder who is at home inside and outside the contest. Evasive.
50+	Amin Naim	187cm	82kg	Midfielder/Half Forward	Calder Cannons	Gaol kicking half forward who is crafty at ground level but also an aerial threat.
50+	Brodie Ryan	188cm	80kg	Half Back	Glenelg	Distributing defender who shows a bit of dash. Strong overhead and composed.
50+	Jake Smith	185cm	80kg	Midfielder	Western Jets	Tough inside mid who has a physical presence. Natural ball winner who is excellent by hand
50+	Will Lorenz	186cm	70kg	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Left footer who can play inside and outside the contest.
50+	Will Patton	193cm	74kg	Half Back	West Adelaide	Interceptig half back who uses his footy smarts to get in the right positions.
50+	Sam Van Rooyen	193cm	85kg	Key Forward	Claremont	Strong, aggressive, contested marking threat
50+	Logan Evans	188cm	78kg	Half Back	Norwood	Smart half back who positions well. Neat skills with a penetrating kick.
50+	Archer May	199cm	90kg	Key Forward	Sandringham Dragons	Overage Big bodied key forward who is capable in the air. Solid contested marking threat.
50+	Sam Frangalas	187cm	85kg	Midfielder	Dandenong Stingrays	Impact player who is solid in the air. Inconsistent by foot.
50+	Lachlan Cabor	181cm	78kg	Small Defender	Sydney Academy	Uncomprimising small defender mid who can play a lock down role. Neat skills.
50+	Reece Torrent	182cm	82kg	Midfielder	Peel	Tough uncomprimising midfielder who runs hard both ways.
50+	Kobe Shipp	187cm	80kg	Midfielder/Half Back	Dandenong Stingrays	Solid defender who has the ability to provide some run off half back.
50+	Orlando Turner	176cm	67kg	Small Forward	Northern Territory	Zippy and creative small forward who can impact the scoreboard
50+	Heath Ollington	190cm	81kg	Half Forward	Tasmania	Nuggety third forward who can link up or be a contested mark. Dangerous as a leading forward.
50+	Xavier Walsh	195cm	87kg	Key Defender/Key Forward	East Perth	Physical tall who likes to impact the contest. Contested marking threat.
50+	Will Elliot	200cm	90kg	Ruck	Oakleigh Chargers	Overage ruck who has matured a lot in the last 12 months. Good mobility but very raw.
50+	Joe Pike	203cm	103kg	Ruck	Geelong Falcons	Big bodied ruckman who has solid ruck craft and who can be a contested marking threat.
50+	Michael Rudd	192cm	91kg	Key Forward	Geelong Falcons	Goal kicking full forward, who works hard around the ground. Creates seperation via footy IQ.
50+	Matt Carroll	188cm	81kg	Half Back/Wing	Sandringham Dragons	Has a lot of draftable traits, particularly his speed off half back.
50+	Coen Livingstone	200cm	96kg	Ruck/Key Forward	Perth	Bullocking, big bodied ruck/key forward who isn't afraid to throw his weight around
50+	Ben Ridgeway	183cm	80kg	Midfielder	Glenelg	Hard working, physical mid who is strong on the inside and good ball user in space.
50+	Luker Kentfield	194cm	93kg	Key Forward	Subiaco	Raw key forward. Has some foundations to be a player.
50+	Jovan Petric	197cm	92kg	Key Defender	Western Jets	Over-age reborn key defender, who has shown good closing speed and intercepting ability.
50+	Will Rowlands	178cm	73kg	Midfielder	Northern Territoy	Hard working midfielder who can accumulate. Makes good decisions with ball in hand.
50+	Liam Fawcett	198cm	88kg	Key Forward	Central Districts	Tall leading key forward who has good footy IQ. Strong leading pattern and forward craft.
50+	Kade De La Rue	184cm	78kg	Midfielder	Dandenong Stingrays	Consistent player, who can play all across the ground. Good decision making.
50+	Sam Clohesy	189cm	82kg	Half Back	Werribee	20 year old half back, who won the forthergill medal who has the ability to intercept and provide run.
50+	Will Graham	186cm	81kg	Midfielder	GC Academy	Tough and aggressive midfielder, who uses the ball well by hand. Tackles with intensity.
50+	Vigo Visentini	203cm	99kg	Ruck	Sandringham Dragons	Aggressive and physical ruck, who can have an impact forward of centre. Big frame to grown into.
50+	Jed Dignan	188cm	84kg	Midfielder	Sturt	Tough midfielder, who loves the contested stuff. Uses his height to win clearances and break tackles.
50+	Cooper Simpson	182cm	76kg	Midfielder	Dandenong Stingrays	Skillful mid who makes good decisions by hand and foot. Little bit one paced.
50+	Charlie McCormack	198cm	77kg	Key Forward	GWS Academy	Rangy and raw key forward who is mobile and solid at ground level
50+	Oscar Hine-Bastion	178cm	74kg	Small Defender	Perth	Reliable type, who can lock down on zippy smalls or taller opponents. Excellent closing speed.
50+	Joe Fonti	189cm	73kg	Half Back	Claremont	Evasive and dashing half back who utilises his speed to launch counter attacks.

Hypothetically you're drafting for us. Based on there draft ranges who would you select with our picks as they stand? Only selecting one for each spot.

 

[speedy]

There's no way we'll use 57.

After all the picks for bids are used up it could fall inside 50. I would use it if we only end up with 4 first rounders, on Shaun Mannagh maybe?

 

[shinboner magic]

Hi Nate

Nate if you get drafted by * you better leave after the first season

 

[Jazny]

So you’d take McKercher and Sanders?

Sanders is a safer pick than McKercher, but McKercher has a higher reward for the risk if he reaches his potential at AFL level imo.

 

[brucemac]

Jed Dignal will be very upset you said he's from Sturt. He's a Rooster through and through!

Ashton Moir will be the steel of the

As others have said, there seem to be some decent gap-filling options there for our teen picks.
Assuming Leake, Murphy, Windsor, Wilson, Hardeman are gone, I can see us going for:

• A ruck prospect: Edwards, Green or Goad. We should have our pick of them.
• A running defender (or mid that can play that role): de Mattia, Roberts, Hastie
• Either a tall defender (Schoenmacher?), a tall forward (Archer Reid) or a small forward (Collard?)

Having decent prospects in these roles makes us much more rounded even if gaps remain. I'd still trade two of them for O'Sullivan but can't see anyone doing that deal.

Surely George Stevens ranks above Hastie. I would throw Rudd or Morris into the Forward mix

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

As others have said, there seem to be some decent gap-filling options there for our teen picks.
Assuming Leake, Murphy, Windsor, Wilson, Hardeman are gone, I can see us going for:

• A ruck prospect: Edwards, Green or Goad. We should have our pick of them.
• A running defender (or mid that can play that role): de Mattia, Roberts, Hastie
• Either a tall defender (Schoenmacher?), a tall forward (Archer Reid) or a small forward (Collard?)

Having decent prospects in these roles makes us much more rounded even if gaps remain. I'd still trade two of them for O'Sullivan but can't see anyone doing that deal.

I like the idea of a ruck prospect, a tall defender, and a tall forward (or maybe a small forward if he is deemed a very good prospect). I just can't imagine using a pick on a running defender when we can easily fill that role with one of our current gun players who isn't playing midfield. Just this time last year, we understood that TT was going to play that position. We have Sheezel and we have our picks 2 and 3 who might also fit the bill.

 

[hsquid]

Surely George Stevens ranks above Hastie. I would throw Rudd or Morris into the Forward mix

Hi George.

 

[The Dingrel]

Tarryn Thomas was suspended half the season and George Wardlaw wasn't ready to play for most of the year.

And Will Phillips' first season back from glandular fever.

All three guys SHOULD be stalwarts in our midfield next year.

LDU and Jy were injured.....yeah great if we magically have a good run with injuries, but inside mids always do get injured, its tough on the body.

 

[R00StaR]

So you’d take McKercher and Sanders?

I would, give em a couple of years in the back half. No rush throwing them into the guts too early.

Also allows us more management time on all of the younger mids.

 

[Del191229]

The fact we've shown no interest in trading for or attracting any small forward - and with the likes of Schultz and Ginnivan gettable - makes me wonder if we haven't already got Watson marked down with one of the top 3 picks.

Clarko loves his pacy creative small forwards too, its not like he doesn't rate them.

 

[speedy]

Why give up any of 15 17 & 18 when Edwards, Murphy, Leake, Schoenmaker, Jiath, Hardeman, A.Reid, Collard & Goad could still be around? All fill a need and are between between the 15 to 35 mark? Some might go earlier, but you will always get some sliders too.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

The fact we've shown no interest in trading for or attracting any small forward - and with the likes of Schultz and Ginnivan gettable - makes me wonder if we haven't already got Watson marked down with one of the top 3 picks.

Clarko loves his pacy creative small forwards too, its not like he doesn't rate them.

I'd be surprised. Schultz was out of nowhere (that we tried to get as a DFA in 2021) and Ginnivan doesn't really suit our side. And by that I mean more than anything I'd be surprised if we've marked down anyone bar pick 2 at this stage.

 

[speedy]

As others have said, there seem to be some decent gap-filling options there for our teen picks.
Assuming Leake, Murphy, Windsor, Wilson, Hardeman are gone, I can see us going for:

• A ruck prospect: Edwards, Green or Goad. We should have our pick of them.
• A running defender (or mid that can play that role): de Mattia, Roberts, Hastie
• Either a tall defender (Schoenmacher?), a tall forward (Archer Reid) or a small forward (Collard?)

Having decent prospects in these roles makes us much more rounded even if gaps remain. I'd still trade two of them for O'Sullivan but can't see anyone doing that deal.

There are always sliders.

 

[The Dingrel]

I honestly have no idea who we will take, who I think we will take or have a preference. I just hope it works out for the kids we do draft and we just climb the ladder.

In the mean time, I'll just watch the ongoing arguments on the side line

That you Luffy?

 

[King Hansen]

Why give up any of 15 17 & 18 when Edwards, Murphy, Leake, Schoenmaker, Jiath, Hardeman, A.Reid, Collard & Goad could still be around? All fill a need and are between between the 15 to 35 mark? Some might go earlier, but you will always get some sliders too.

Probably because the gap between all them and Reid is massive.

 

[The Dingrel]

Don’t think we need to worry about hidden gems

We taking high end talent only this year

only in the Rookie draft!

 

[Sphynx]

Why give up any of 15 17 & 18 when Edwards, Murphy, Leake, Schoenmaker, Jiath, Hardeman, A.Reid, Collard & Goad could still be around? All fill a need and are between between the 15 to 35 mark? Some might go earlier, but you will always get some sliders too.

I think most people are in agreeance.

We should be able to get a KPD, Med Def and a Ruck at all those picks.

I like the idea of Jiath at one of them, we need an athletic POD down back.

He's also bigger than his brother, I think he could be an intercept type half back in time and play a bit taller than his brother.

He's an 1" taller than him at the moment, but seems to play a tad taller.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

So you’d take McKercher and Sanders?

Even though that's where I rate them, if I was doing a phantom draft and was picking for North I wouldn't take 2 midfielder with those picks. It would be one of McKercher/Sanders then one of Curtin, Duursma or Watson. That helps with list balance much more than 2 midfielders.

 

[Mav]

Surely George Stevens ranks above Hastie. I would throw Rudd or Morris into the Forward mix

I have no idea. I never mentioned George, Stevens or Hastie.

 

[ohmygewd]

5	Zane Durrsma	189cm	79kg	Half Forward/Midfielder	Gippsland Power	X factor half forward. Elite decision maker and classy ball user.
6	Daniel Curtin	195cm	93kg	Key Defender	Claremont	Elite athlete and footy IQ. Best suited to defense. Good closing speed and ball use.
7	Nick Watson	170cm	69kg	Small Forward/Midfielder	Eastern Ranges	Elite speed and high footy IQ. Dynamic movement, dangerous around goals.

15

Mitchell Edwards

205cm

85kg

Ruckman

Peel

Elite ruck craft and movement. High footy IQ. Impacts the scoreboard when pushing forward.

17

James Leake

188cm

74kg

Half Back

Tasmania

Intercepting defender with good decision making and composure.

In whatever the top 3 are but l love scouting reports with those in 'bold'

 

[speedy]

Probably because the gap between all them and Reid is massive.

That makes no sense. Is the difference between pick 1 & 2 worth potentially 2 more starting 23 players? Given that you don't even know if pick 1 will be better than 2 in the end?

 

[The Nostradamus]

only in the Rookie draft!

good chance we dont even pick in the rookie draft

 

[kirbonavich]

2: McKercher
3. Sanders
15. Roberts
17. Schoenmaker
18. O'Sullivan

Can Sydney match bids on Cleary inside the 40? I'd take him at 15 if Sydney can't match.

 

[boneofshin]

good chance we dont even pick in the rookie draft

That would be a waste of our permission to have 2 additional players on our rookie list.