Injury 2023 St Kilda Injury Thread

[bergholt]

Why the sarcasm - he won an Anzac Day Medal and was seriously flawed at junior & AFL levels. Absolutely nothing like Hotton & McLennan.

Yeah I don't know anything about either of them but I don't generally rate a big underage performance as meaning too much at AFL level. As an example the TAC Medallists (BOG in the TAC Cup Grand Final) have a pretty mixed record at AFL level:

2022: Will Ashcroft
2021: -
2020: -
2019: Matt Rowell
2018: Matt Rowell
2017: Gryan Miers
2016: Andrew McGrath
2015: Kade Answerth
2014: Toby McLean
2013: Ben Cavarra
2012: Jack Macrae
2011: Jack Viney
2010: Mitch Wallis
2009: Jake Melksham
2008: Steele Sidebottom
2007: Ashley Arrowsmith
2006: Dean Kelly
2005: Dale Thomas
2004: Jesse Smith
2003: Brock McLean
2002: Stephen Dinnell
2001: Jordan Barham
2000: Amon Buchanan
1999: Dylan Smith
1998: Michael Stevens
1997: Adam Goodes
1996: Matthew Harrison
1995: Brent Harvey
1994: Anthony Rocca
1993: Shannon Grant
1992: Daniel Fletcher

Some very good players there and some less exciting at AFL level. I'm just not convinced it tells you that much tbh.

 

[Jeremias]

How are Hayes and Coffield tracking with their recoveries?

Both listed as 6-8 away. Prospects of both playing senior footy in the back end of the season?

 

[bird_man]

How are Hayes and Coffield tracking with their recoveries?

Both listed as 6-8 away. Prospects of both playing senior footy in the back end of the season?

Going to be pretty hard for them to get back to senior footy this year IMO

 

[hayes]

How are Hayes and Coffield tracking with their recoveries?

Both listed as 6-8 away. Prospects of both playing senior footy in the back end of the season?

Slim to none.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Yeah I don't know anything about either of them but I don't generally rate a big underage performance as meaning too much at AFL level. As an example the TAC Medallists (BOG in the TAC Cup Grand Final) have a pretty mixed record at AFL level:

2022: Will Ashcroft
2021: -
2020: -
2019: Matt Rowell
2018: Matt Rowell
2017: Gryan Miers
2016: Andrew McGrath
2015: Kade Answerth
2014: Toby McLean
2013: Ben Cavarra
2012: Jack Macrae
2011: Jack Viney
2010: Mitch Wallis
2009: Jake Melksham
2008: Steele Sidebottom
2007: Ashley Arrowsmith
2006: Dean Kelly
2005: Dale Thomas
2004: Jesse Smith
2003: Brock McLean
2002: Stephen Dinnell
2001: Jordan Barham
2000: Amon Buchanan
1999: Dylan Smith
1998: Michael Stevens
1997: Adam Goodes
1996: Matthew Harrison
1995: Brent Harvey
1994: Anthony Rocca
1993: Shannon Grant
1992: Daniel Fletcher

Some very good players there and some less exciting at AFL level. I'm just not convinced it tells you that much tbh.

Have your read the list you compiled 95% have had excellent AFL careers won AFL/VFL grand finals and even multiple Brownlows. I dont understand your unnecessary negativity?

 

[bergholt]

Have your read the list you compiled 95% have had excellent AFL careers won AFL/VFL grand finals and even multiple Brownlows. I dont understand your unnecessary negativity?

After 20 years on Saints forums of various stripes, I hate seeing kids get talked up before they play a game because then they almost always end up disappointing when they actually have to perform on an AFL field. Not because they're bad players necessarily, but because most 18 year olds are a long way from the finished article, and a significant fraction of them will never be good enough. It's Tom Ledger syndrome; everyone wants him picked and abuses the club for not doing so, then equal numbers throw negativity around when he actually plays.

IMO just let them develop without too many expectations and judge them on what they put out there, not on some random view of "potential".

 

[PoppedCorn]

Lol
Its just a diff of opinion

 

[pebblesofsand]

I see its another 6 to 8 weeks for Jones. I think that's enough to qualify for the LTI list.

So do people think its worth putting him on the LTI injury list so we can at least look at the mid season draft?

 

[PoppedCorn]

Yup

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I see its another 6 to 8 weeks for Jones. I think that's enough to qualify for the LTI list.

So do people think its worth putting him on the LTI injury list so we can at least look at the mid season draft?

Its probably just a matter if we want a spare experienced player at the time we hit finals.
If a heap were injured and Jones was available its probably better than a rookie from the VFL.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

How are Hayes and Coffield tracking with their recoveries?

Both listed as 6-8 away. Prospects of both playing senior footy in the back end of the season?

Which season???

 

[hangdog]

McKenzie has gone backwards, good improvement from Membrey, Jones and Hotton especially. Hayes, Coff, Allison and McLennan the same.

16 May	23 May
Matt Allison	Post Bye	Matt Allison	Post Bye
Nick Coffield	6-8 Weeks	Nick Coffield	6-8 weeks
Jack Hayes	7-8 Weeks	Jack Hayes	7-8 weeks
Olli Hotton	Post Bye	Olli Hotton	2-3 weeks
Zak Jones	6-8 weeks	Zak Jones	4-6 weeks
Dan McKenzie	1-2 weeks	Dan McKenzie	2-3 weeks
Angus McLennan	Post Bye	Angus McLennan	Post Bye
Tim Membrey	1-2 weeks	Tim Membrey	Test
		Mitch Owens	1 week
Jack Steele	Test	Jack Steele	Available
Max King	Test	Max King	Available
Jade Gresham	Test	Jade Gresham	Available

 

[FQFjt]

McKenzie has gone backwards, good improvement from Membrey, Jones and Hotton especially. Hayes, Coff, Allison and McLennan the same.

16 May	23 May
Matt Allison	Post Bye	Matt Allison	Post Bye
Nick Coffield	6-8 Weeks	Nick Coffield	6-8 weeks
Jack Hayes	7-8 Weeks	Jack Hayes	7-8 weeks
Olli Hotton	Post Bye	Olli Hotton	2-3 weeks
Zak Jones	6-8 weeks	Zak Jones	4-6 weeks
Dan McKenzie	1-2 weeks	Dan McKenzie	2-3 weeks
Angus McLennan	Post Bye	Angus McLennan	Post Bye
Tim Membrey	1-2 weeks	Tim Membrey	Test
		Mitch Owens	1 week
Jack Steele	Test	Jack Steele	Available
Max King	Test	Max King	Available
Jade Gresham	Test	Jade Gresham	Available

Not great re DMac quietly slipping backward by 2 weeks on his timeline.

 

[Otiman]

Not great re DMac quietly slipping backward by 2 weeks on his timeline.

To be fair, 1 week puts it in the bye round. Makes sense to call it 2. It also seems we don't pinpoint a single week with any of our injuries.

After the extended break he has had, would need significant VFL time before a callup.

Excited to see Hotton play some footy soon.

 

[Saintbloke]

Might be a few who we won't see at the Saints next season.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Might be a few who we won't see at the Saints next season.

Yep just like every year ,, Next

 

[Remboy]

To be fair, 1 week puts it in the bye round. Makes sense to call it 2. It also seems we don't pinpoint a single week with any of our injuries.

After the extended break he has had, would need significant VFL time before a callup.

Excited to see Hotton play some footy soon.

Yes, I think we can add Hotton to the future midfield group of Owens, Windhager, Phillipou. Really looking forward to seeing him.

 

[PoppedCorn]

So hayes is the same on the 23rd as he was on the 16th?
Yet he is running apparently?

These updates are mostly furph lol

 

[SteeleSaints]

You would hope we can get everyone up and playing before the season is finished. The numbers on the injury list and players re-injuring themselves during their rehab has been farcical. I dont know what affect the new guy who replaced Walsh is having, but he had a big job to turn things around.

We forget how good these players can be, but a fully fit Jones, McKenzie, Coffield and Hayes would all be in our best team all things being equal.

 

[sammm]

So hayes is the same on the 23rd as he was on the 16th?
Yet he is running apparently?

These updates are mostly furph lol

Maybe it's when they will.play afl or vfl rather than when he is available to undertake training

 

[Remboy]

So hayes is the same on the 23rd as he was on the 16th?
Yet he is running apparently?

These updates are mostly furph lol

Check out Geelong's list. They just give short, medium or long term.

 

[okeydoke7]

You would hope we can get everyone up and playing before the season is finished. The numbers on the injury list and players re-injuring themselves during their rehab has been farcical. I dont know what affect the new guy who replaced Walsh is having, but he had a big job to turn things around.

We forget how good these players can be, but a fully fit Jones, McKenzie, Coffield and Hayes would all be in our best team all things being equal.

Who do those 4 replace?

 

[SteeleSaints]

Who do those 4 replace?

Its a completely speculative question but ATM Byrnes, Ross, Paton and Caminiti or Membrey.

 

[Ads734]

Super excited to see my guy Oli Hotton running around. My second fave player in the draft after the Pou

 

[hayes]

Dan McKenzke - 2 weeks.