List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[JGreezy]

Exactly, Reid is a huge go home factor but Curtin isn't? Not all draftees are mummy boys, some actually just want to play footy.

Its not WCs concern whether Curtin is a flight risk at North.

It seems like you're getting upset at North fans, on the north board, discussing things that the media and others are talking about.

WC might just draft Reid. But if they want to trade the pick then North should be ready to capitalise. This is the place to discuss how we can do that.

It seems like you've gone looking to something here to argue about and you've found it.

 

[Friday Night Lights]

Clarko met with Darcy about a month ago in a Hawthorn restaurant. Something tells me that Clarko is cooking up something.


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Hope Clarko wasn’t paying, reckon Sean knows his way around a menu.

 

[Passmore]

These club draft boards must be available for public viewing. Seems a lot of people on various platforms know exactly who their club is drafting.

Where can I see ours? Or are said people full of shit?

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[pantskyle]

Its not WCs concern whether Curtin is a flight risk at North.

It seems like you're getting upset at North fans, on the north board, discussing things that the media and others are talking about.

WC might just draft Reid. But if they want to trade the pick then North should be ready to capitalise. This is the place to discuss how we can do that.

It seems like you've gone looking to something here to argue about and you've found it.

If that's what you're taking away from my comments that's on you friend.

 

[Harris 10]

I'm dreading the prospect of trading away 2 and the Port pick for 1. Still think we did the right thing by not tanking but trading a win for a first rounder is less justifiable than slipping one pick down the order. Please don't do anything overly North, North

Yep, just keep 2 and see what happens.

 

[pupstar]

I’m less interested in the individual replacement of McKay & more interested in how the new back 6 looks next year as a whole - system & personnel. If Melican can come in and have good 1-on-1 numbers and we surround him with quality rebounders, we will be ok. It’s no surprise it looked far better without McKay, Ziebell and McDonald all in the same back 6.

I’ve said it multiple times, but we average 6 goals a game from d50 exits. That’s as big a problem as any with our back 6.

Our back 6 on the weekend looked as good as it has and that was with McKay having just an ok game. That was through Dawson, Corr & McKay playing their roles, whilst having Goater, Scott, Sheezel and Bergman provide more bounce then I’ve seen a North side provide in transition for nearly a decade. Our set up down the line was excellent and the commentators referenced it throughout.

GWS are a great model. Their back 6 is one of the best in the competition and obviously they have Taylor who is elite, however it held up without him in the 8 games he missed.

Not sure their back line is that great had more points kicked against them than Magpies Lions Demons Blues Saints Swans Bulldogs Crows Cats

 

[JGreezy]

If that's what you're taking away from my comments that's on you friend.

Do you have sources that confirm that WC are drafting Reid or is it just what you want them to do?

 

[justroyal]

They want Reid more than they want Curtin but are concerned with the go home factor.

What they need to get their heads around is that if they really want Curtin, they may need to take unders on Reid’s value to get who they want.

North aren’t going to pay full full freight if we want to get Reid, because we have what they want.

They need to make a call, take Reid or take unders for Reid if they want Curtin. They can’t expect to het Curtin on top of what other clubs may give up.

If I’m not mistaken, isn’t it just like gws getting their man in Cadman last year? Why does it have to be more complicated from the media point of view? Like it’s as if they’re trying to say, WCE want Reid and Curtin. How can clubs make it happen.

Which sounds completely ****ing bogus

 

[justroyal]

Exactly, Reid is a huge go home factor but Curtin isn't? Not all draftees are mummy boys, some actually just want to play footy.

Yeah I guess that’s what draws parallels to JHF.

If that’s the case Curtin sounds like a legend. But at the same time we’ve seen what mummy boys do when they’re, we’ll, closer to their mums. I.e Jason at Port vs North

 

[pantskyle]

Do you have sources that confirm that WC are drafting Reid or is it just what you want them to do?

No one will ever be sure until it happens but yes I am comfortable enough in my knowledge of where Eagles are currently looking and where North is.

 

[pantskyle]

Yeah I guess that’s what draws parallels to JHF.

If that’s the case Curtin sounds like a legend. But at the same time we’ve seen what mummy boys do when they’re, we’ll, closer to their mums. I.e Jason at Port vs North

Curtin is a ripper and North seem to love him, can't lose.

 

[Themanbun]

My post was aimed at the people thinking we should just force West Coast to draft Curtin if they want him.

If we want a shot at a player like Reid we will trade fairly on it.

No one would be forcing them to do anything.

If they want Reid more than Curtin, take Reid. If they want Curtin more than Reid, take Curtin. If we want someone else, take someone else.

I'm fine with whoever we take at pick 2 and think it would be idiotic to give up any other draft capital, particularly another first rounder when we have so many list holes, for negligible benefit.

If it aligns that they want Curtin and we want Reid, then it would be extra dumb to give anything up. Both sides should just go about their merry business.

 

[joegreen]

These club draft boards must be available for public viewing. Seems a lot of people on various platforms know exactly who their club is drafting.

Where can I see ours? Or are said people full of s**t?

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I just hope we don't get spooked into taking someone 'just' because "all the other clubs have the player rated highly". So much misdirection. With Viney and Clarko I have more confidence this will be the case. Plus Cam Matthews.

 

[kangaanth]

If we get Sanders and draft Reid or Mckercher they are ending Wilphil or powell or maybe both of their careers. There has to be list balance you can’t have a team of 16 pure mids even if they are the “best available” something like 7 out of the top 10 picks are always mids how do we get out of the cycle. We draft Reid, Mckercher and sanders wilphil and Powell don’t get a game. Next year the best available at our pick is a mid we take him and Wardlaw, Mckercher or sanders don’t get a game. It goes on forever and the worst part is if these guys stop getting a game their trade value is zero.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

No one would be forcing them to do anything.

If they want Reid more than Curtin, take Reid. If they want Curtin more than Reid, take Curtin. If we want someone else, take someone else.

I'm fine with whoever we take at pick 2 and think it would be idiotic to give up any other draft capital, particularly another first rounder when we have so many list holes, for negligible benefit.

If it aligns that they want Curtin and we want Reid, then it would be extra dumb to give anything up. Both sides should just go about their merry business.

My point was purely based on us wanting Reid. We would be the ones trading for the higher asset.

It would not be dumb in the slightest for us to give anything up. That’s what trading is.

 

[Shinboner1]

Twitter nuffies saying there's chatter we're keeping mckay.
Anyone know of there's any truth to this?

 

[shinboner magic]

Yeah I’d rather take curtin and keep poort pick to use to get GC pick , then take Watson @mckay comp or GC pick

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Twitter nuffies saying there's chatter we're keeping mckay.
Anyone know of there's any truth to this?

There’s as much truth to it as there is he’s going.

 

[Roosurgence]

My post was aimed at the people thinking we should just force West Coast to draft Curtin if they want him.

If we want a shot at a player like Reid we will trade fairly on it.

I also imagine they will back themselves in to hold Reid, there’s nothing tangible at all about Reid being potentially homesick, his public stance is the opposite. It’s a media driven narrative. We should have just as much fear with Curtin considering we’re once bitten in the last year.

We don’t hold a whip hand over the Eagles in this one, we do hold a whip hand over anyone else interested in trading for Reid, such as the Demons.

That was my whole point.

It’s pretty simplistic.

• Take Reid at Pick 1
• Get less from North but lock in Curtin
• Get more from another club but most likely miss out on Curtin

At the end of the day I think everyone will find, they just draft Reid and back themselves in to keep him long term. They won’t get anywhere near these fantastical deals being thrown up if they deal with us.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

That was my whole point.

It’s pretty simplistic.

• Take Reid at Pick 1
• Get less from North but lock in Curtin
• Get more from another club but most likely miss out on Curtin

At the end of the day I think everyone will find, they just draft Reid and back themselves in to keep him long term. They won’t get anywhere near these fantastical deals being thrown up if they deal with us.

Look at us fighting like a bunch of silly’s.

At least trade week ends tomorrow.

 

[pantskyle]

Look at us fighting like a bunch of silly’s.

At least trade week ends tomorrow.

That's mainly because you're a jerk.

 

[Tas]

I'm dreading the prospect of trading away 2 and the Port pick for 1. Still think we did the right thing by not tanking but trading a win for a first rounder is less justifiable than slipping one pick down the order. Please don't do anything overly North, North

The Port pick is dead in the water if we are allowed to bid on Sanders, he is going to get a bid way before that pick. We have to wait and see, but the general consensus of "experts" is that we will get to match a bid on Sanders. If we don't, then that is a bit different.

GWS paid 3, 12 and future second (Collingwood) to move from 3 to 1 plus picks 53 and 57... we just weren't the ones to come out benefitting from that premium, unfortunately. In terms of points, it was about 4k out and about 3.4k in.

2 and 16 is about 3.6k out and just pick 1 would be 3k in, which makes the premium equivalent to pick 32, about equivalent to last year's point differential.

A lot will depend on what comes of the Sanders/assistance and if Ben goes and if we get band one compensation... and if WCE want Curtin instead of Reid. It is hard to make predictions with so many unknowns.

 

[Roosurgence]

If I’m not mistaken, isn’t it just like gws getting their man in Cadman last year? Why does it have to be more complicated from the media point of view? Like it’s as if they’re trying to say, WCE want Reid and Curtin. How can clubs make it happen.

Which sounds completely ******* bogus

What’s muddying the waters here is the ridiculous value the media has placed on Reid as one player.

West Coast fans have it in their mind the kid is worth 3 first rounders with two of them being early, which is pure fantasy.

The issue with that logic is that they are placing a premium on Reid, but then not applying a premium to any other player in the draft and evaluating them at the exact pick they may be drafted.

It’s like us saying we have Pick 2 but value Daniel Curtin at 2 early first rounders, so you can only have our late first (Port pick) plus the rights to Curtin.

It’s a pretty simplistic equation for West Coast that has been muddied by the media overacting one player. It boils down to do you want Reid or if you don’t what are you happy to get to secure what you need.

It’s no good getting 3 first rounders (1 early and 2 late) if it doesn’t allow you to get the players you want.

 

[hsquid]

There has to be list balance you can’t have a team of 16 pure mids even if they are the “best available” something like 7 out of the top 10 picks are always mids how do we get out of the cycle.

I can answer this bit: The cycle of "best available" doesn't end but it will stop skewing towards midfielders when we stop getting top-10 picks.

 

[JGreezy]

If we get Sanders and draft Reid or Mckercher they are ending Wilphil or powell or maybe both of their careers. There has to be list balance you can’t have a team of 16 pure mids even if they are the “best available” something like 7 out of the top 10 picks are always mids how do we get out of the cycle. We draft Reid, Mckercher and sanders wilphil and Powell don’t get a game. Next year the best available at our pick is a mid we take him and Wardlaw, Mckercher or sanders don’t get a game. It goes on forever and the worst part is if these guys stop getting a game their trade value is zero.

If Phillips and Powell get beaten out for midfield time by two 19 year olds then thats on them.

Reid and McKercher are unlikely to be pure inside mids in their first couple of seasons. Reid would play down back or up forward. McKercher would play on the wing or HBF.

Competition for spots is a good thing. Why are we trying to avoid Phillips and Powell having to compete for their spots?