List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[Pagans Paddock99]

Extremely happy with Tom Powell personally.

I have no knocks on Tom Powell, however, there are another 10 available in each draft. There are no Kozzie Picketts hanging around that can turn a game in 10 minutes and completely turn your game plan on its head.


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[Liam Boy]

I have no knocks on Tom Powell, however, there are another 10 available in each draft. There are no Kozzie Picketts hanging around that can turn a game in 10 minutes and completely turn your game plan on its head.


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If we'd taken Pickett and Melbourne had taken Powell, Powell would be a universally recognised gun who was cream in a premiership midfield and dazzled the football world with his fast hands and footy IQ. Probably would've won the rising star instead of Jackson. Meanwhile Pickett would've struggled for form in a poorly organised forward line and maybe showed flashes of brilliance over a difficult 4 year period. Not denying that he's a gun but every talented young player looks better coming straight into a premiership quality side and system.

 

[Groucho]

If we'd taken Pickett and Melbourne had taken Powell, Powell would be a universally recognised gun who was cream in a premiership midfield and dazzled the football world with his fast hands and footy IQ. Probably would've won the rising star instead of Jackson. Meanwhile Pickett would've struggled for form in a poorly organised forward line and maybe showed flashes of brilliance over a difficult 4 year period. Not denying that he's a gun but every talented young player looks better coming straight into a premiership quality side and system.

This is sad but true

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

We do need genuine hard running wingman.

If Port’s pick is around 10-14 I wouldn’t be against down grading it for a later first, a 2nd and a future 2nd. I’d wait until trade night though as many clubs pay overs for specific players on draft night.

We still need to get lots of quality in the door and if we can’t attract them via trade/FA then we need to get more top 30 picks.

After the last few years, quantity of picks can █████ quality of a single pick.

We were very lucky/fortunate that we got (possibly) the best player at three and he was the player we wanted the whole time.

We have too many holes in the list not to reach for a spread of picks.

I like the idea of turning our 2 firsts into 3+change.

 

[deano28]

If we'd taken Pickett and Melbourne had taken Powell, Powell would be a universally recognised gun who was cream in a premiership midfield and dazzled the football world with his fast hands and footy IQ. Probably would've won the rising star instead of Jackson. Meanwhile Pickett would've struggled for form in a poorly organised forward line and maybe showed flashes of brilliance over a difficult 4 year period. Not denying that he's a gun but every talented young player looks better coming straight into a premiership quality side and system.

Facts and for that same reason I can’t wait to see Phillips playing with 3 years of continuity under his belt & playing in finals calibre team .

 

[DesertRoo]

The irony is the future first (Powell) we gave up could have been kept to take pickett

I don’t think anyone at the time realistically thought Melbourne were trading down for Kosi.

 

[zoomba23]

Nope.

He averages more goal assists, inside 50s and score involvements than Kossie at the same age. The disposal and goal comparison are nearly identical. Injured last year and his best year was his first under Clarko.

I used to think you were a pretty good judge, but you’re slipping old boy..

That's fair enough. Maybe I am slipping as I read more and more posts writing off players and get sucked into it too. He didn't pass the eye test for me in his first year, but there's every chance I'm wrong. I'd need to see a bit more before I went after him though. We'd have made Kossie look second rate if we drafted him

 

[King Corey]

That's fair enough. Maybe I am slipping as I read more and more posts writing off players and get sucked into it too. He didn't pass the eye test for me in his first year, but there's every chance I'm wrong. I'd need to see a bit more before I went after him though. We'd have made Kossie look second rate if we drafted him

Exhibit A: player in no fixed role in a side with no fixed game plan.

Exhibit B: player with defined role in define game plan.

 

[zoomba23]

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Exhibit A: player in no fixed role in a side with no fixed game plan.

Exhibit B: player with defined role in define game plan.

Mason Wood passed the eye test from the get go though. His talent was ridiculous. That's on our coaches. Do you think Brockman would be decent with us under Clarko?

 

[The Nostradamus]

if we want a free ready made small forward pick up then target logues mate from freo Lachie Schultz who is a free agent due to previously being moved to the rookie list

 

[HBFlanker]

A couple of realistic options i would have a look at:

1. Lachlan Murphy

4

Lachlan Murphy

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Adelaide. Out of contract 24 year old. Melbourne boy. Pressure forward, doesn't hit the scoreboard as much as he should but would fit in nicely alongside Curtis, Larkey, Stephenson and Comben moving forward. Would be very cheap too, even a fourth rounder/potential DFA.
2. Ben Ainsworth

12

Ben Ainsworth

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

12.8

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.6

3star

- GCS/ Always rumoured to potentially be on the move. Has never really hit his stride at the Suns. Could look for a fresh start at seasons end.
3. Noah Answerth

43

Noah Answerth

Age

26

Ht

182cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

MG

208.9

3star

D

15.0

4star

K

15.0

5star

HB

0.0

1star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

MG

357.0

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

179.2

3star

- Brisbane. Seems to have fallen down the pecking order a little with the influx of Mckenna and Joyce coming on. Could be a Ziebell replacement off half back

And the long shot

4. Hayden Young

26

Hayden Young

Age

24

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

. Fremantle. Just signed a long term deal, and would be difficult to acquire, but fremantle may need a little rebuild here and have next to no picks this year. We will have a minimum of two first rounders. Would comfortable depart with one of them for his services.

 

[King Corey]

Mason Wood passed the eye test from the get go though. His talent was ridiculous. That's on our coaches. Do you think Brockman would be decent with us under Clarko?

Agree on Wood I was a fan.

Not sure on Brockman mate, haven't seen much of him to comment.

 

[spurs]

if we want a free ready made small forward pick up then target logues mate from freo Lachie Schultz who is a free agent due to previously being moved to the rookie list

We wanted him a few years ago and he said no.

 

[The Nostradamus]

We wanted him a few years ago and he said no.

Well now that we have one of his best mates potentially now is the time he wants to come back to Vic

 

[speedy]

So who are our next academy kids coming through? Or did the AFL serve us up a lemon of a recruiting zone?

Is T gangsta as good as its gonna get?

 

[The acurate one]

So who are our next academy kids coming through? Or did the AFL serve us up a lemon of a recruiting zone?

Is T gangsta as good as its gonna get?

Hasn't it all changed and if called before pick 40 it doesn't count that he is a NGA?

Not to be confused with TT being a Ninja

 

[Liam Boy]

So who are our next academy kids coming through? Or did the AFL serve us up a lemon of a recruiting zone?

Is T gangsta as good as its gonna get?

North have been lobbying for Ryley Sanders to be eligible as an NGA, but you can't match bids in the top 40 anymore (unless you're from QLD or NSW of course) so any player that rates a first or second round selection won't be available. He looks like potentially being a first rounder.

 

[lockheed]

Does anyone subscribe to The Age or get the physical paper?

 

[giantroo]

Does anyone subscribe to The Age or get the physical paper?

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TIGER NOT UP FOR GRABS​

The widely reported belief that Richmond co-captain Toby Nankervis is out of contract this year is off the mark.
Just as Collingwood’s Steele Sidebottom has become well known for; Nankervis quietly re-signed without any bells and whistles – to the point it was never announced.
The former Swan, who is set for an extended stint out recovering from syndesmosis surgery, has become a key on and off-field piece of the Tigers’ success, including playing in their 2017, 2019 and 2020 flags.
This season promises to be a transitional one for Richmond, with champion veterans Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt, and ex-Roos star Robbie Tarrant likely playing their last seasons.
Noah Balta is nearing a contract extension and Jack Graham triggered another year with his appearance in Saturday’s loss to Western Bulldogs, but Dylan Grimes, Nathan Broad, Hugo Ralphsmith, Marlion Pickett and Kamdyn McIntosh are among those out of contract.

Darcy Parish, right, is a man in demand.Credit: Getty Images

THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM​

Football club sources say list managers are waiting on decisions from some of the biggest out-of-contract stars and free agents before plotting opportunistic raids on lower-profile players.

Editor's pick​

The likes of Essendon’s Darcy Parish, Giant Harry Himmelberg, North Melbourne key defender Ben McKay, Saint Jade Gresham, Carlton’s Tom De Koning, and Demon Kysaiah Pickett headline the market.
There is also the complication of not knowing just how much this year’s salary cap will increase, with the AFL informing club officials only that it will be by at least five per cent as CBA negotiations continue.
The Easter break meant player movement activity was put on the backburner, but that is expected to ramp up with all clubs headed to South Australia for the inaugural Gather Round.
De Koning’s situation could have a trickle-down effect on, for example, Mitch McGovern, whose five-year deal after crossing from Adelaide expires at season’s end.
McGovern’s brother, West Coast star Jeremy, is nearing a two-year extension, but nothing is imminent for the Blue, who has made only 44 senior appearances at Carlton due to injuries.

His move to defence is paying off, with the 28-year-old not missing a game this year – and his corked thigh from Good Friday is not expected to sideline him – while averaging 18 disposals and three intercept marks.
As for De Koning, Carlton star Adam Saad, who has moved clubs twice (having played for Gold Coast and Essendon), has joined the conga line of Blues hoping the young ruckman stays put.
“We would love Tommy to stay, but it’s fully up to him – and he’s got to do what he thinks is best for him and his family and go with it,” Saad said.
“But it’s something probably I shouldn’t say too much about. Hopefully, he stays.”

WHICH DOG IS NEXT?​

The Western Bulldogs went on a re-signing spree in recent months, with important trio Cody Weightman, Sam Darcy and Tom Liberatore and the promising Luke Cleary all locked away.
Those early commitments would be a relief for coach Luke Beveridge and list boss Sam Power, but there are still some handy names to tick off, or make decisions on.
Josh Bruce, who turns 31 in June, is resurrecting his career as a key defender, but he and fellow senior regulars Bailey Williams, Hayden Crozier, Alex Keath, Anthony Scott and Robbie McComb do not have deals beyond 2023.

Editor's pick​

Laitham Vandermeer, who is recovering from a fractured leg, is also out of contract, as are Mitch Hannan, Toby McLean, Taylor Duryea and Tim O’Brien, all of whom have been dropped or not selected this year.

SIZE DOESN’T MATTER​

Presumptive top-five draft pick Nick Watson gave recruiters a reminder of just what he can offer AFL clubs with a brilliant performance for under-18 club Eastern Ranges on Good Friday.
Watson, nicknamed the “Wizard″⁣, is only 170 centimetres tall, but starred with 34 disposals, two goals from five scoring shots, 12 score involvements and eight inside 50s in the Ranges’ six-goal victory over Northern Knights.
The 18-year-old is best known as a forward, but is being used in a variety of roles this season, including taking some kick-ins on Friday.
Powerful midfielder Harley Reid is the consensus No.1 pick this year, but Watson sits in the next tier of prospects, although there are some people who think there is a chance he might slide later into the top 10 because of his lack of height.
Being vertically challenged has not stopped players such as Brent Harvey and Caleb Daniel from being All-Australians, while Charlie Spargo, at 173 centimetres, has become an important part of Melbourne’s forward line.
In other draft-related news, an under-16 carnival is being played this week between Talent League clubs that will help decide the Vic Metro and Vic Country squads for the national championships in June and July.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Sphynx]

James Jordan is one that interests me (in the Tucker mould) as a UFA because he's been previously delisted.

 

[Its a Process]

I'd put a big contract in front of Mason Redman

27

Mason Redman

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.2

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

262.0

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

210.3

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

144.2

3star

- worst case scenario we will drive his price up at *

 

[King Corey]

We need to source 2x mature tall defenders.

Dawson doesn't seem to be in any of Clarkson's plans and McKay is (imo) going to spit in our face.

 

[King Corey]

Dylan Grimes

2

Dylan Grimes

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

136.0

2star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

136.0

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

worth a 2 year deal? Covers a tall defensive role while we inevitably have to draft some kids for those positions.

Basically give him the Tarrant deal in reverse.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Dylan Grimes worth a 2 year deal? Covers a tall defensive role while we inevitably have to draft some kids for those positions.

Basically give him the Tarrant deal in reverse.

Grimes would be great.