List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[King Corey]

Hearing we are EXTREMELY interested in Georgiades

Injury history

 

[The Nostradamus]

Hearing we are EXTREMELY interested in Georgiades

i like
straight to the PSD

get one back on the tarps

 

[Themanbun]

Hearing we are EXTREMELY interested in Georgiades

Yep

 

[Passmore]

Hearing we are EXTREMELY interested in Georgiades

Is he interested in us?

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[roos 10]

Is he interested in us?

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That’s the thing

 

[My Left Foote]

So Essendon don’t want to offer him an amount that would trigger a first round comp. So we match it or offering more? And then what?

Based on the above there are a few realistic scenarios:
1: We match the offer and Ben signs a new contract with us.
2: Ben says he still wants to go to * and we try to work a trade, can't see how this would get done, we want their 1st but they won't give that up.
3: * improve their offer and trigger band 1 compensation (EDIT: They can't do this, thanks hilly ).
4: * walks Ben to the PSD but we trick them and take Ben with pick 2 in the PSD and finally the North Big Footy Board rejoices that we finally walked a player to the PSD only to realise that he was our player to begin with.

 

[hilly]

Based on the above there are a few realistic scenarios:
1: We match the offer and Ben signs a new contract with us.
2: Ben says he still wants to go to * and we try to work a trade, can't see how this would get done, we want their 1st but they won't give that up.
3: * improve their offer and trigger band 1 compensation (I think they can do this).
4: * walks Ben to the PSD but we trick them and take Ben with pick 2 in the PSD and finally the North Big Footy Board rejoices that we finally walked a player to the PSD only to realise that he was our player to begin with.

Point 3 can't happen MLF.

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[New_Roo]

I respect the fact there are different views about whether CCJ (and Xerri) are going to mature into AFL players, but can we at least base the conversation on the facts.

CCJ was NOT traded for a '2nd rounder' - the deal was F2, 40 and Tarrant for CCJ, 42, 47 and a F4

The F4 and Tarrant basically cancelled each other out (tarrant was included in the deal as a concession to Richmond, who would otherwise potentially might have seen their compensation for Chol diluted)

That left us F2 and 40 for CCJ, 42 and 47

On the face of it. the system works on picks but these are VALUED AS POINTS.

The F2 became 22 in 2022 = 845 points

40 in 2021 = 429 points (the pick actually slid to 43, but don't let's split hairs)

Total points traded = 1274

We got back:

Pick 42 = 395 points

Pick 47 = 316 points

Total points received = 721 points

In short, CCJ cost us the equivalent of 553 points, or something between picks 33 and 34

The points-based nature of the system is confirmed by the end result - through some canny work, Rawlings used 42 and 47 to get Paul Curtis (at 35) and Miles Bergman (at 38)

So by all means bemoan Rawlings' stupidity if you like, but be sure to take Curtis and Bergman back to the shop when you're looking for a refund on CCJ

Good work Merlin.... hopefully that quietens a few down


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[Merlin007]

Good work Merlin.... hopefully that quietens a few down


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I don't mind the debate about the value of a trade, just let's have the whole picture, and not the self-loathing slogan

 

[Hojuman]

I hope so

No more players with ACL history, please.

 

[Hojuman]

Based on the above there are a few realistic scenarios:
1: We match the offer and Ben signs a new contract with us.
2: Ben says he still wants to go to * and we try to work a trade, can't see how this would get done, we want their 1st but they won't give that up.
3: * improve their offer and trigger band 1 compensation (EDIT: They can't do this, thanks hilly ).
4: * walks Ben to the PSD but we trick them and take Ben with pick 2 in the PSD and finally the North Big Footy Board rejoices that we finally walked a player to the PSD only to realise that he was our player to begin with.

See post #8399

 

[King Corey]

Is he interested in us?

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You had to do that didn't you?

One Way Interests
Mitch Georgiades ??
Ashley Judd
Dustin Martin
Josh Kelly

 

[giantroo]

 

[King Corey]

4: * walks Ben to the PSD but we trick them and take Ben with pick 2 in the PSD and finally the North Big Footy Board rejoices that we finally walked a player to the PSD only to realise that he was our player to begin with.

Ah yes, the old Pina Colada Song victory.

"We scored.. but there was a catch"

 

[The Nostradamus]

Based on the above there are a few realistic scenarios:
1: We match the offer and Ben signs a new contract with us.
2: Ben says he still wants to go to * and we try to work a trade, can't see how this would get done, we want their 1st but they won't give that up.
3: * improve their offer and trigger band 1 compensation (EDIT: They can't do this, thanks hilly ).
4: * walks Ben to the PSD but we trick them and take Ben with pick 2 in the PSD and finally the North Big Footy Board rejoices that we finally walked a player to the PSD only to realise that he was our player to begin with.

he can't walk to the PSD in this scenario it would be the national draft for all RFA's from what i understand that cant agree to a trade

right now the only way to win out of this is to offer close to band 1 money

otherwise we risk losing him for less than band 1

and if he stays thats still a good outcome

 

[My Left Foote]

See post #8399

Sorry Hojuman I don't understand this.

 

[My Left Foote]

he can't walk to the PSD in this scenario it would be the national draft for all RFA's from what i understand that cant agree to a trade

right now the only way to win out of this is to offer close to band 1 money

otherwise we risk losing him for less than band 1

and if he stays thats still a good outcome

I take your point, but it's just a joke and it only works if he walks to the PSD.

 

[My Left Foote]

Sorry Hojuman I don't understand this.

I'm serious I don't get it, what am I missing?

 

[Harris 10]

Syd list boss Kinnear Beatson confirmed they're tracking Ben Mckay and have an interest in him

 

[King Corey]

Syd list boss Kinnear Beatson confirmed they're tracking Ben Mckay and have an interest in him

The sting - they're expected to get him under academy rules.

 

[Hojuman]

Sorry Hojuman I don't understand this.

I'm serious I don't get it, what am I missing?

Sorry, MLF. Post #8399 in the Ben McKay thread.

 

[JGreezy]

That’s the thing

Is he interested in a ton of money on a frontloaded contract?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

he can't walk to the PSD in this scenario it would be the national draft for all RFA's from what i understand that cant agree to a trade

right now the only way to win out of this is to offer close to band 1 money

otherwise we risk losing him for less than band 1

and if he stays thats still a good outcome

We're not gonna lose him for less than band one, the club has said it. It's our right to play hardball, he is restricted. It's gonna be a long couple of months if everybody panics every time somebody said something. Honestly. A poster said with some form of ITK status yesterday that he'd told the club he was leaving, everyone panics. Today an article comes out saying we haven't even spoken to him about a contract, everyone panics. This constant f***ing expectation that the worst thing possible is going to happen to the NMFC is extremely tiresome.

 

[The Nostradamus]

We're not gonna lose him for less than band one, the club has said it. It's our right to play hardball, he is restricted. It's gonna be a long couple of months if everybody panics every time somebody said something. Honestly. A poster said with some form of ITK status yesterday that he'd told the club he was leaving, everyone panics. Today an article comes out saying we haven't even spoken to him about a contract, everyone panics. This constant f***ing expectation that the worst thing possible is going to happen to the NMFC is extremely tiresome.

There are many ways we could **** this up

He’s restricted just means we can match a trade that doesn’t guarantee us band 1. If it gets to trade stage we are never getting offered more than that compo

The way to fullproof it is to offer just under band 1 money as I’ve mentioned

 

[JGreezy]

We're not gonna lose him for less than band one, the club has said it. It's our right to play hardball, he is restricted. It's gonna be a long couple of months if everybody panics every time somebody said something. Honestly. A poster said with some form of ITK status yesterday that he'd told the club he was leaving, everyone panics. Today an article comes out saying we haven't even spoken to him about a contract, everyone panics. This constant f***ing expectation that the worst thing possible is going to happen to the NMFC is extremely tiresome.

Wardlaw rests his hamstrings for two meaningless games = his career is over